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2011 Thingies Proxy discussion thread

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Hey, I know that the last proxy has not yet finished up. No worries there but rather than wait and have us builders scrambling about trying to find materials for the next build I thought we would discuss the build restrictions early.

Some of you guys know my personal situations and I won't go into it right now. The whole world is experiencing this recession and as for ME, I would like a bright spot in the future to look forward to. A cool project that I can start collecting bits for and discussing the ideas with my friends if you will. Something neat to look forward to while the politicians divide up and destroy everything that is good in this world. But I digress....(greedy bastards)

My suggestion for the Proxy of 2010-2011 is "Dynamic"!
Well, yeah the idea is pretty dynamic but what I am talking about here are the slot car parts produced by Dynamic....


Not showing off with the above pic.... My meager collection of parts are nowhere near that of other collectors. But then there are members on this forum who have a lot less to play with. Discussing and deciding on a theme now makes it easier for those missing the necessary parts to acquire them before we start racing this fall. Steve's really neat chassis on another thread inspired this idea so... Thanks Steve!


The idea is to utilize as many Dynamic parts in the cars as possible. Points would be awarded to each piece or bit installed as a working part of the car with a total points (or percentage) to be decided later. For instance a Motor bracket=50%, guide tongue=10%, guide 25%, body mounts=25%, front wheel mounts=10%... etc. Or whatever.... The percentages could be based on the difficulty of the part based on performance or it could be based on the availability and logic of using. That can be determined later.

The total of percentage for parts would be awarded at the end of the race along with points for racing performance.
Those cars with lots of scratch-built bits would be awarded less points of course but would make up for it in performance and those built with all Dynamic parts - indeed a fully restored Dynamic Thingy would do well in the points - but probably will not perform as well as it would against a scratch-built car with a modified motor. The goal here is finding the correct balance of Dynamic parts combined with scratch-building I figure. Steve's car again is an excellent example of what I believe will be the ultimate result.

My other crazy idea is we have fewer tracks be involved in the race. Typically a race series should only be about 6 tracks in 6 months total so the race won't drag out to a full year. But them's my ideas I am putting out there.

I await your suggestions, floggings, deep thoughts and ranker.

Respectfully submitted,

 
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#3 ·
Hey Mike!


I am just spit-balling here trying to get something going. I need a project to think about and plan on. That and this forum has been way too quiet lately. So my thoughts were that any motor pod including Globe should be included. Any 16D motor too as long as it fits the motor rules of the past, i.e.: "anything made prior to Nov, 1968".

Chassis designs are open completely. Jaildoor, brass pan, any number of hinges whatever.
Only requirements are a Thingie body, foam tires, Dynamic bits and a pre '69 motor.
Of course I am open to any and all suggestions. Mike Boemker on Slotblog suggested two different classes for weight.... but that just adds complexity in my opinion. Easier to simply put a maximum or minimum weight allowed. Once again I am just spit-balling this early in the game.
 
#4 · (Edited by Moderator)
Okay, sounds good to me. I'm in.

To help things get rolling, I was at North London a few months back and Phil Smith had a pair of loose Dynamic side pans in his box. These have, apparently, become quite hard to obtain and he wasn't selling them.
I took a tracing in my race box note book and I finally got around to scanning it over the weekend.



The photo is sized to as close to life as I could get.
Running a pen around a piece of brass plate is going to give a slightly oversize tracing so adjust your measurements to deal with this error.
The page lines indicate where the upward fold begins on the outer edges of the pans.

Hope this is of service to somebody,
L.
 
#6 ·
Sounds very cool.

If there is the intent of running two classes, they could be "classic" and "scratchbuilt" with classic being 100% Dynamic (free choice of body, to not limit it to Dynamic RTR´s!) and scratchbuilt being Dynamic motor mount and guide tongue plus scratchbuilt parts.

Two classes make more cars and it is more likely to find companions for a race weekend at the tracks which aren´t club tracks (like mine). I found out that people won´t travel too far for just 30-60 minutes of racing.

Have a great day,

Markus
 
#7 ·
Mike, I am totally with you on that one!

Steve, you can bet that image is saved in my folder for safe keeping. But if the pans are hand made.... would that be scratchbuilding or ....?


Markus, good ideas all. Anyone here have any "Classic" Dynamic RTR's they want to run in a separate class?
 
#9 ·
There was an ebay listing a few week ago that had stacks of dynamic brackets.

I guess I'll have to start hunting also.

QUOTE (32deuce @ 21 Apr 2010, 19:19) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Inline or sidewinder or either?

Hmmm. I know of a royal someone who will not warm to the idea of sidewinder. lol.

Al.
 
#11 ·
Hey Jaak!

Although this is just a simple discussion thread - nothing has been decided yet.
However, you can NEVER have enough Dynamic bits in your parts box so I say GO FOR IT!
Besides, seems like a well received idea so far.

Best bet is for you to look for the in-line bracket for either Can drive or Endbell drive.
Second best is side winder for 26D and 16D.
Stay away from the ones that use little aluminum pillow blocks. Those have springs under the blocks and the movement grinds up gears and locks up the axles as they pivot freely. (Red thread locker can make short work of them if need be) It was a bad idea for suspension... although the front axle movement is still a good idea.

J
 
#12 · (Edited by Moderator)
QUOTE *starts hunting*

If this comes to fruition, I have a pretty good stock of Dynamic stuff that could go much cheaper than ebay, not to collectors but to the members here who are intending to build for the proxy. I have NO sidewinder 16d brackets but, I do have inline. I'll have to check to see exactly how many and which ones. Lots of 26d sidewinder brackets for sure and also arco/champion motor setups with champion endbells (not the fireproof ones).

When and if the time comes, state your needs. We can even horse trade if you like.

QUOTE Stay away from the ones that use little aluminum pillow blocks.

J, so as not to waste a good bracket, those can be disabled and locked in place solidly.

Z
 
#13 ·
QUOTE (32deuce @ 22 Apr 2010, 14:27) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>J, so as not to waste a good bracket, those can be disabled and locked in place solidly.

And I will do just that with red loc-tite for one of my two builds. But didn't want Jaak getting into troubles down the road.

I am planning two cars for testing. An in-line 16D and a sidewinder 26d. Not sure which will be what but thinking of doing one at about 100 grams and the other 125 - 150 grams and test for handling.
The light car will get one of Ray's wicked aero bodies... LOL.
 
#15 ·
"Hmmm. I know of a royal someone who will not warm to the idea of sidewinder. "

Sorry Chief, but you weren't around when the first Thingie Proxy series was staged. Do some research. You will find Der Kaiser (Ciao Edo!) wasn't as "side-winder" adverse then as posterity has since colored him.

Be seeing you.

WK
 
#18 ·
QUOTE (Cooper @ 23 Apr 2010, 03:08) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sorry Chief, but you weren't around when the first Thingie Proxy series was staged. Do some research. You will find Der Kaiser (Ciao Edo!) wasn't as "side-winder" adverse then as posterity has since colored him.

Fair enough Cooper.


Just a bit of light-hearted ribbing.


Al.
 
#20 ·
QUOTE Z, can I reserve a dynamic 16d inline. I'll add that to my pending order of bodies that I have with you if I may.

Hi Chief,
I have one endbell drive and two can drive brackets left. I won't have any guide tongues but they are available elsewhere.

That's the NIP stuff. I can search my used stuff too when I get a chance or when we decide if this is going to go or not.

Z
 
#21 ·
Hey Z,

Thanks for the offer,
I already placed a good amount of bids but would also like to reserve one of the in-line brackets.... End-bell if possible.

Have to see what i can get my hands on from Fleebay,
This way it does open the door for people that just want to run a Dynamic car they have.
And are not into brass chassis building etc,

Cheers,
Jaak
 
#22 · (Edited by Moderator)
Great Stuff Z.

And there's me thinking things would be simple and you could mount the motor in either can or endbell drive set-up, with the same bracket. I've still a lot of learning to do. To be honest, I've no idea which mount I will use, but I guess it will be can drive, just because I like the wires to be the correct end of the motor, i.e. nearest to the guide blade. Simplicity in all things.

As you say, let's see if this gets firmed up a little more and is a goer. But I'll definitely take one or the other.

Al
 
#23 ·
QUOTE (JaakBeentjes @ 23 Apr 2010, 15:45) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Thanks for the offer,
I already placed a good amount of bids but would also like to reserve one of the in-line brackets.... End-bell if possible.

That you have Jaak, that you have! Nearly anything with Dynamic in the title has bids by the same person... LOL. Way to go and I hope you get some of them!

Dynamic pieces are great because it allows a bolt together car and they are quite KORRECT for the scratchbuilders too! Since I have yet to hear any dissenting opinions I guess we can continue the search and planning. I sat with pad and paper designing out my chassis last night. Now... just need the time to build

And then test

And then corrections
 
#25 ·
Yes, Phil Smith may still have quite a few items.

Not meaning to blast ebay earlier but, good deals are to be had there too. I've seen complete cars especially (people seem to bid more for pieces than complete cars) going for great prices and you get spare parts to boot! Usually $20 to $40 range depending usually on what motor's in it.

Z
 
#26 · (Edited by Moderator)
"If there is the intent of running two classes, they could be "classic" and "scratchbuilt" with classic being 100% Dynamic (free choice of body, to not limit it to Dynamic RTR´s!) and scratchbuilt being Dynamic motor mount and guide tongue plus scratchbuilt parts."

I think this is a good starting point, Markus. But, what constitutes a "100 percent Dynamic" motor? A glimpse into Philippe's epic slot car history tome reveals Dynamic outsourced some rewound arm production to Mura and possibly other firms. Also, just how bulletproof can any of those Mabuchi endbells be made? Which magnets exactly were fitted to what and when?

Years ago, Jairus introduced what seemed to me to be a reasonable answer to these questions by proposing the "selective" inclusion of contemporary motor components into the vintage cans. I recall his idea was not "universally" received nor afforded the merit it deserved&#8230;

Longevity and minimal motor maintenance should be paramount in an extended race series. Current 1:1 scale vintage racers seem to be able to incorporate modern parts like Carrillo rods, Isky cams, and Venolia pistons among many other contemporary pieces, to ensure longer engine life. Surely a small group of gentleman vintage slot car enthusiasts could act similarly and arrive at a sensible agreement of what readily available modern motor bits could be used to minimize power plant failures in our 1:24 scale cars.

Moreover, a generous and knowledgeable person here could actually start a thread photo documenting the process of integrating the new parts. Aspirating "combatants' could contribute along the way. An agreed motor modification formula would result.

Jairus, maybe your original thread and photos could be resurrected as a logical beginning. It might also serve to revive a moribund Thingie "revolution" and spur Proxy Series entries from some individuals not in possession of one of those "Green Hornet" beauties.

Be seeing you.

WK
 
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