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 20 Jun 2012, 20:38
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 Racer Dude  Group: Members Posts: 228 Joined: 26-March 11 From: Glasgow, up in the loft. Member No.: 17,748  |
I got these front and rear mothers in a Scalextric job lot, can anyone tell me what car they come from?
They must be early Scalextric or something, not sure if they are even a set. Thanks in advance, regards, Billy.  |
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20 Jun 2012, 23:28
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Phil Kalbfell  
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More over size pics!
The axles are from sixties Scalex cars usually fitted with te RX motor. As the wheels are missing they could be from any car. -------------------- |
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21 Jun 2012, 00:50
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Racer Dude Group: Members Posts: 228 Joined: 26-March 11 From: Glasgow, up in the loft. Member No.: 17,748 |
Can anyone identify this metal axle?
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21 Jun 2012, 00:55
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Racer Dude Group: Members Posts: 228 Joined: 26-March 11 From: Glasgow, up in the loft. Member No.: 17,748 |
QUOTE (Phil Kalbfell @ 20 Jun 2012, 23:28)  More over size pics! The axles are from sixties Scalex cars usually fitted with te RX motor. As the wheels are missing they could be from any car. Sorry about the oversized pics Phil  I've sussed (I think  hope ) what size to post in future.  Thanks for your contribution, but yes they are sixties sure, and yes I'm pretty convinced they are used with the RX motor but what car and when? You say Scalex, I'm thinking Scalextric? Not convinced the wheels would make any difference in determining the axle? Scalextric must have used this metal axle up to a point then, for some reason stopped using them..  since all the old 60's cars I have, use the traditional 'plastic' contrate then I'm still at a loss  Mystery so far.  Looking for an expert vintage Scalextric poster to set me right...PLEASE? (Should be in the Vintage & Collectors section) |
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21 Jun 2012, 02:45
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Phil Kalbfell
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Is the gear metal? If is it pressed metal or cast?
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21 Jun 2012, 02:56
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 Trackhead
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Scalextric did use metal contrates at first with the Triang or RX motor. They're mentioned in at least one of Roger Gillham's books.
The metal bushes and sleeves were used for much longer. As Phil K said, without the wheels these could be from any car of the time, 1960 and perhaps 1961. About the only thing that might narrow your search a little may be the axle length. You can rule out the D-type Jag, which had a very short rear axle. They may be from one of the early grand prix cars. They look about the right length for the Lotus 16. Rob J |
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21 Jun 2012, 11:56
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 Top Tuner Group: Members Posts: 311 Joined: 9-March 11 From: Fremantle,Western Australia Member No.: 17,618 |
I've only a couple of cars with this type of metal contrate gear and they're all the Type 1 Lotus 16 as Rob J has mentioned above, the other Lotus 16's I have with the round pin guide have the plastic contrate gear as I think these are Type 2 or 3 Lotus 16's. Pretty sure Phil Smith (ScaleSlotCars) or others on the forum would be able to tell us what other cars these were used on if any. The rear axle brass bushings are used on all the Lotus 16 I have and so are the brass spacers on the front axles.
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21 Jun 2012, 22:44
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Phil Kalbfell
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The Lotus I have here all have plastic gears and they have copper shim pick ups from 1961, so your axle must pre date my cars.
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21 Jun 2012, 23:01
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 Sir Slotalot
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Vanwall.
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22 Jun 2012, 22:39
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Racer Dude Group: Members Posts: 228 Joined: 26-March 11 From: Glasgow, up in the loft. Member No.: 17,748 |
QUOTE (Phil Kalbfell @ 21 Jun 2012, 02:45) Is the gear metal? If is it pressed metal or cast? I'd say for definite it's pressed metal or cast metal. 
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23 Jun 2012, 09:33
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Phil Smith Group: Members Posts: 892 Joined: 24-October 10 Member No.: 16,330 |
The could either be from a C55 Vanwall or a C54 Lotus 16 depending on length.
This is difficult to tell even although you have placed them next to a tape measure, but the Vanwall ones should be 53mm and the Lotus 47mm, looks to me like the shorter of the two, so I guess they are from the Lotus. The rear axle could be from a few other cars but the spacers on the front axle show it to be from the Lotus (only the Vanwall and the Lotus 16 used these spacers although the C63 'rear engined' Lotus would also have used these but then they only came with Round pin guides and the rear axle would have had a nylon contrate) These would be from the early Type 1 cars with Loop Braids and 'Big Head' drivers |
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23 Jun 2012, 10:16
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 Tony Condon Group: PLUS+ Posts: 2,231 Joined: 24-May 06 From: somerset where the cider apples grow Member No.: 4,167 |
Hi Phil
How about the cooper T51 that would have had a metal gear cheers tony -------------------- "The Older I Get The Faster I Was"
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23 Jun 2012, 10:21
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Phil Smith Group: Members Posts: 892 Joined: 24-October 10 Member No.: 16,330 |
The rear axle could be from the C58 Cooper, Tony, but not the front, it used different spacers.
Only the C54, 55 and 63 used that size and style spacer. All the early cars used metal gears, they changed to nylon around 1962, probably when the 'plexitrack' came out and the changeover to the 'round pin' guide with trailing braids from the 'loop braid' type. At the same time the 'big head' driver was replaced with a full driver with normal sized head and torso and arms. There was a changeover period when a mixture of gears/guides/drivers were used so there were some hybrid cars produced. |
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23 Jun 2012, 16:52
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Racer Dude Group: Members Posts: 228 Joined: 26-March 11 From: Glasgow, up in the loft. Member No.: 17,748 |
Thanks Phil for that and many thanks to everyone else who replied you have all been a great help.
Cheers, Billy |
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