Possible future track design "Marjoke", Did i miss something..any flaws? Options

[Jaak]

Like to know your opinion about this track.

should be a 3 lane 1:24/1:32/1:43 fast track.

[Jaak]

Anybody with constructive criticism or any other opinion?

[injectorman]

Yup tracks in corners of rooms dont work well because cars always come off on "that" corner. as soon as someone marshalls your view is blocked.
one suggestion is to make "that" corner banked.

Rick

[Jaak]

Thanks Rick,

Good point
will make that corner banked.

[Kellerkind]

Hi Jaak

thought about your track a bit.
-The L-shape will at least be a better choice than an U-shaped one, but I agree with Rick about the problems of visibility, marshalling and deslotting.
-The 8-turn on the left trackside everywhere nearly uses the same radii: this might bring a constant speed for nearly the complete section without having any other thrilling or interesting effect on this part of the track. Maybe try some "opening" or "closing" alternatives here.
-Concerning the following section (right side below): If your skech is relatively scale you want to put 5 corners (3left and 2right) with 3 lanes and trackwidth for 1:24 on 2,5m of trackspace? You wont have many options to make that mission possible. I am sorry for that, but in my opinion those zig-zagg sections are a spaghetti-nightmare that I personally dont like too much if I have to drive them.
-A big threelaner like the one you planned might have some pits, too. Those need space and should be a central point of planning.

To get a better relation between space you have on the one hand and the space you need on the other hand it might help you to do a scale sketch or plan your track with a slottrack-designing-software. Drawing the track on the floor 1:1 with a marker or a piece of chalk directly at the space your futur track will fill might give you a great relation between what you were thinking about and what is possible. Drive the track hundreds of times in your mind to find out if it fits your needs.

And: Dont care too much about the things others think about your track . Just build the track of YOUR dreams. And if it doesnt work fine in the end there at least is a reason to build another one

Regards Jens

[Jaak]

Hey Yens,

Thank you for your input,
i prefer to have the track without squeezes where faster drivers could be held up by slower ones so that i will leave as is.

The track is not to scale its more an attempt to scribble what i had in mind...
i am horrible with an pencil or drawing program so i am not helping myself there.
Thats why many of the corners seem to have a simple radius as i could not get microsoft Paint to do other ones
i have been drawing tracks for months and can not get to a final design...all i know is 2/3d should be fast flowing and around 1/3 more challenging without any squeeze.

P.s If i draw on the carpet the missus will kill me

I am asking other peoples input to see if i have overseen anything not to for approval,
the problems of marshaling and driver visibility will be one i have to minimize but will probably never be taken out of the equation.

If anyone can and wants to help with an alternative design for a 5x4 meter room i am very open to suggestions*
*Drawings of one that fits.

It requires 10 cm lane spacing 3 lanes and be fast yet challenging.

[Merc_A]

Could you sketch the room conditions? Where's the door, are there more doors, or windows that need to be reachable? I'm asking this to check if a T shape might fit in your room.
Oh it's supposed to be analogue routed I presume?

Merc

[Jaak]

Yes i can make a sketch of that.

I have to go analog as i can not really afford to go digital at the moment.

Here it is,
it is a rectangular room 4,30 x 5,20 with the door shown on the bottom of the image.

[Kellerkind]

Hi Jaak.

What is the distance between leftsided edge of the room and door? No windows, waterpipes etc. to be taken care for? Can the full lenght and width of the room be used?
One thought: going routed digital will save wood, space and time (Routing third lane!) and raise fun without being too much more expensive if keeping the "level of digitalisation" low (means only chipping a few of the cars and just using two or three lanechangers at strategic locaions without any extra luxury) will keep the cost maintainable! Maybe more quality instead of quantity?!

Regards Jens

[Jaak]

Hey Jens,

That was my first idea to do.
But the cost of the lane changers plus a working Oxygen/Scorpius will ad a 1000 Euro.
I wan't to use magnabraid but i can not find 6mm wide magnabraid.

My ideal track would be 2 lane digital with a single lane rally loop on the inside something like this:


All the space can be used, no windows or anything else.

[Merc_A]

I will have a go and show it here when finished.
One Q: could you give me the position of the door in the wall, distance from left wall and size of door?

Merc

[Jaak]

Hey Merc,


Thank you very much for that,
although i can ofcourse not guaranty it will be that design i am sure if it is not it will help getting there.

I measured the distances.

from left to right

2,60 meter, door 0,95 meter , 1,85 meter = 5,40 meter total.

So the room is exact 5,40 x 4,20 meter.

Cheers,
Jaak

[Merc_A]

A quick sketch. On scale though - i drew it 1:50, scanned the image.

What i'd like in a track can be seen in the sketches:
- a long straight
- a hairpin bend
- a sweeping wide highspeed curve with a 3m. radius
- a chicane section
- some elevations to create uphill and downhill bends

The track width is quite on scale, you see it turns out to be a wide track (on straights 30 cm. at least, in bends 40 cm.)
I added a lot of width to leave room for extra track / side space / shoulder, so in my sketch the track is ca. 40 cm. overall width.
So in real your track will be leaner than what i have sketched now.
See for scale reference the scale bar on the lower left in the sketch (in mm.)



This is the first idea containing the T shape - allowing marshalling in the two outer ends, and a middle track section with room for start/finish and/or pitlane.
Driver stations 1, 2, 3 could be on the lower bend, driver #2 has a good view, he/she can oversee the outer bends at ease. Driver #1 and #3 can marshall the outer bends, driver #2 can handle the middle section.



Second sketch, where's more table surface and a more straight / less diagonal view on the track. Drivers can stand in line.
There's less (but still enough) room for marshalling the outer bends.

Good luck with your progress,

Merc

[Jaak]

Thanks mate,


I never thought about T shape but seeing your drawings especially the second one i like,
if i would go 2 lane track width would be 15+10+15 at least so your 40 cm width is spot on.

Think i will have to go 2 lane and thus make it digital with few lane changers unless i can figure out a way to make them myself.
if i can find a way to make lane changers in an routed track then i am most definitely going for digital.

Intend to run 1:24's too and do not wan't the outer lane cars to have the option to "lean" against the borders.

Yes your design opens a whole new horizon.

Thanks for the help

[Jaak]

Could not replicate all the swooping curves but here is an impression of it with an rally stage.

2 lane digital best lane version:
20 lane changers...