The 'Christmas Cracker' just exploded and the 'fall out' Options

[DERBY (UK) HO RA...]

And that is the wonder of Forums Lee everyone has a right to their opinions. Mine won't change

Cheers
Nick

[LeeH]

Obviously banging my head against a brick wall so will just stick to racing and leave handbag fights to others.

[pasiro]

Obviously banging my head against a brick wall so will just stick to racing and leave handbag fights to others.

That's the best way, this same topic has been gone over dozens of times and nothing ever gets resolved, CHORC and DHORC will not hold Deane's Nationals for reasons going back many years, and there's many people who see this the fault of the two clubs and others who see it as Deane's, one thing for certain is that few of us really no what it's all about, we hear one story then another from the other side. It would be nice if it got resolved but too many people are too set in their ways.

There's just too many people pulling in different directions, even CHORC and DHORC, less that 20 miles apart but how often do they race together? Maybe they should pull together and put on some "Northern Nationals" and get more people interested around here

[montoya1]

Northern nationals would be funny, setting aside stretching the word northern way past breaking point - They have not happened yet, so if they did now that would be very curious. A positive if along the way new people raced, but curious nonetheless.

The problem at hand can best be summed up by post #12. Any attempt to discuss the flaws and problems in HO racing in this country always end up being viewed by Nick as 'abuse'. That is a pretty strong term. Others call anything other than platitude spreading 'snippy', 'contentious', 'stirring' etc. Paul R touches on the disparate attitudes out there, so it stands to reason that for them to come together there has to be some straight talking. Nick implies his club will only come back to the national scene once I am out of it, which I think is very sad. Not least because there will be others who will dare to say 'Hey Nick, how about trying this, why don't your club do that' etc.

The nationals (I will come back to that term later, since it raised comment) actually could bind the clubs together very easily. If one looks at 1/32nd scales you will see clubs with rules far more dissonant than anything that ones sees in HO, and people who have had fallings out, that host rounds of championships. They set aside their rules and procedures for the day/weekend, and their differences, and just race. For all the HO clubs to be hosting a round of the current national series involves 2 phone calls (one from CHORC, one from DHORC) and a 2/3 minute conversation during each, and it's done.

Clearly then the problem is me, not rules. Or is it? As anyone who has attended a national will attest on race day I am focused on race control and enjoying the day, there is no politics, I don't get into discussions about rules past, present or future, I just try and crack on with the races, call gaps and have a laugh where possible. The 'other stuff' happens on forums, where we all have the luxury of ignoring what is said, or debating with our blood pressure at normal levels. I have had a fair bit of provocative stuff said to me on forums and emails, but can honestly say my blood pressure hardly ever rises even a little bit. My dig back at Julian, for which I apologize, was atypical of me. That all being the case then the obstacles preventing all the clubs being part of one series are mostly about pride and ego. If we all just focused on racing, and kept the other stuff in perspective, it could happen as soon as Jan 15th. No banging of any heads needed Lee

In many ways we are in something of a golden age of HO here. There has never been a wider range of chassis being used on any given month, nor as many people racing them, and the guys/gals doing so are about as eclectic as one could wish for. I have played a part in that. I was especially pleased to see all 8 clubs affiliated to eahorc scoring points at the last round, it shows I have not only helped build up the longest sustained and cohesive attempt at a national series with mass appeal, but I have sown seeds at grass level from which we all benefit. The two clubs outside of all that are therefore missing out on that age, both have drivers will talent I would kill for, in their shoes I would be absolutely itching to test myself against Martin Hill, Andy Whorton etc.

As for the legitimacy of using the word 'nationals' to describe the EAHORC series, I suppose one could knock that even if there were rounds in the home town of both Jenson Button and Oliver Turvey, but I have never been one to think small. Back when EAHORC was just EHORC the E stood for Essex, since it was obvious to me there was unlikely to be more than the one any time soon. Calling the club BHORC (it was in Billericay) seemed unnecessarily unambitious to me. The EA part then went on to stand for East Anglia when a venue in Bury-St-Edmunds was added, before taking on the current name. Thinking bigger meant therefore consistency in the name, and using the shorthand of nationals for what we do now seems natural and harmless too.

As for EAHORC Nascar, which I really should not of got tetchy about, it is an example of aesthetics mattering more to me than the rest of you. Nobody seems to wonder why that is, they just assume I am an oddball. It was not that long ago that things like the Pancake Cup and DHORC 4hr as a club vs club meeting would not of been possible, there simply would not of been enough people or clubs to do it. Rightly or wrongly, when we reached a situation where a small sub-set of the national guys in pre-eahorc days and in it's early days wanted to race only one chassis, and only against those who felt the same, Doug from CHORC set himself as the sanctuary for that. This left me with just enough people to carry on, but an incandescent desire not to let a split that I thought was petty and extremely unnecessary kill off the racing for them. This is where the aesthetics came in, if things were to keep going then anything that would help HO's appeal had to be embraced, and whatever anyone thinks now, good looking cars did, as part of a wider package of measures. I expended a lot of time and energy finding people to keep things going, and built it's appeal around what would do so.

[DERBY (UK) HO RA...]

I do enjoy fictional stories, keep em coming Deane

Cheers
Nick

[montoya1]

Would you care to expand on that comment Nick, or are you happy to let everyone see that your contribution to a discussion about our hobby is limited to a 'witty', dismissive rejoinder?

[DERBY (UK) HO RA...]

No Deane can't be bothered or would you also like to dictate how I reply to forums now as well

Cheers
Nick

[montoya1]

You can of course say whatever you like, but something meaningful would of been better. It is normal convention when accusing somebody of something to explain what you mean, or there is little to no point posting at all.

Clearly your dislike for me runs pretty deep. It is not you and I that lose out as a consequence though.

[DERBY (UK) HO RA...]

There is absolutely no point Deane it has gone past the reasoning stage, we have asked you politely to stop making digs about the way DHORC runs its Club, but you continue to do this on numerous threads and on both of the main forums, which can only harm the HO scene.

We never call anything that EAHORC does, how you want to run your events is entirely up to those who are involved. We are not involved and so have the self esteem not to comment as it is not our right to comment.

As you can't manage that basic request there is clearly no hope in discussing anything more substantial.

Cheers
Nick

[montoya1]

I'm not seeing 'digs' or 'abuse', just discussion and expressing a point of view.

There is a groundswell of desire to see all 10 HO clubs mixing, and competing against each other, and it is growing. To make it happen would mean there having to be a frank exchange of views. I don't care if that happens in this thread, via email, or over the phone, but it can't happen if all the parties are limited to simpering platitudes and pats on the back. We can do that after nationals have taken place at DHORC and CHORC and been fun. We can do that once all 10 clubs are vying to get a spot on the 4hr, the AFX 6hr and the 24hr, and each is oversubscribed.

Lets say that I forgive all your past indiscretions, unequivocally and on behalf of myself and all 'my' guys, apologize for all mine with equal strength, and lets say my new year's resolution will be to say nothing, ''good'' or ''bad'', about your club or CHORC. Further, that I will stay away from nationals at your club if me being there is a deal breaker. All that is holding things back now is your carrying of grudges.

[LeeH]

Ok going on the extremely long post by Deane I completely back it and if as reasonable adult you could all sit around and CALMLY explain your point of view then there could be a solution to all of this. I may only of been involved a very short while but I'm sure every racer would straight away at start of calendar being released would look for DHORC and chorc rounds. It might pain some people but they are easily the best clubs going.

Plus as has been noted on here not just HO but all forms of slot car racing is going to be taking off in a big way as already had meetings with big names within the world of motorsport. But in these meetings it was made very clear that unless all this stops they are backing nothing. Simple as that balls in all your courts. I can lead a horse to water but up to you guys if you drink. But that has to involve everyone unified.

[DERBY (UK) HO RA...]

Deane,
As I have said before 99.99% of the folk on these forums know how to behave, you don't hence the continued requests for you to stop doing what you are doing by many people. I see you regularly getting involved in things that have absolutely nothing to do with you on remote threads and am astonised how you cannot see what you are doing and think that what you are doing is in anyway acceptable. I am afraid a leopard will not change its spots, your actions towards me and my Club are reprehensible in the extreme and I will never have anything to do with you or what you represent, now or in the future.

Cheers
Nick

[DERBY (UK) HO RA...]

Sorry Lee, it runs too deep, this is not possible to fix, I have tried in the past, my job is to manage major Customer Service issues, no-one else on this planet speaks or writes to me in the way Deane does. His attitude is deplorable I will not be involved with anyone who can behave like that, life is too short.

Cheers
Nick

[montoya1]

That is a lot of words to confirm the carrying of grudges then.

[LeeH]

Nick you said nothing Deane is involved in and he has offered to stay away from any national round at DHORC and yet still you not accepting that??? I'm confused that is surely contradicting yourself???