Champions League - Round FOUR, SELSDON - 27th February 2011 Options

[abbo]

A few pics from the day...


























Thanks to the Selsdon chaps for a warm welcome!


ABBO

[slot32]

What a day!

Shame the lap counting and lap counting management were missing.

A part system is no good.

A system that produces the race results in seconds and enables a pause should have been used.We hade to leave as it takes about 1 hour to produce the results fot the day.

[zendragon]

First I would like to thank Fred, Freddie and the rest of the lads from Selsdon for holding this round of the series, and not forgetting the Ladies in the kitchen for the food and drink, some of you may know that the Bolton family have had a traumatic week with some quite difficult personnel problems to overcome.
As this was the first round that has been held at Selsdon, and given that there were a few problems, (which should not be aired here), I would ask that if anybody has problems they report to their club representatives, (every club has one), so that we can deal with it and keep any 'dirty washing', away from public view.
Respectfully
Zen
PS nice photos Marc, as usual thanks

[slot32]

The race committee know what is required of the race management requirements.

3 simple requirements:

1) Pause facilty is required
2) Race results per race and summary of the event should be available.
3) Print out of race rota so all racers can know when they are racing and marshalling.

simple!

[nightrider]

I know there were difficulties with the race control system and any results obtained not 100% accurate, but were there any final results compiled of the two sets of heats. It may be that in the long run they might not count but they would be interesting to see.

Nightrider

[zendragon]

We all know what we need,and what we would like, but I fear that the above list MAY have eliminated at least 3 other clubs, for one reasonor another, when we have finished the series I will be asking all club reps to ask their members if they have any thoughts on how we can improve, the series is supposed to be fun and in its original conception to help promote those clubs that take part, not to point out problems that occur.
Sincerely
Zen

[slot32]

We mhsc offered a race contriol system for the day ( same as yours at west london, eastcote, burnt oak, Finchley now Kilburn and dare I say Steptoes!) but we were ignored! We have a portable track with a system that has been used for uk Grand prix events.

[abbo]

I believe Paul Bizzell stayed behind and helped compile the results into a spread sheet. This he also did with Freddie at "half-time". I think that would be nearly two 1 hour stints to get the final standings!
Once again Paul has come to the rescue (remember Finchley ) so I think we must thank him again for that.

I should think that once he's able he will be able to get the "results" over to me and then I can update the Champ League web site.

ABBO

[slot32]

yes I also helped out at finchley with paul! when the plug was pulled!

thanks marc for forgetting me

[zero5]

Thanks to all at Selsdon for hosting their round

Problems aside entertaining days racing
Biggest turnout I think with 30 racers (60 heats in total)

Well done to all who turned up to compete

Hope to see you all at Mhsc on 20th March


John

[FoggyPants]

We mhsc offered a race contriol system for the day ( same as yours at west london, eastcote, burnt oak, Finchley now Kilburn and dare I say Steptoes!) but we were ignored! We have a portable track with a system that has been used for uk Grand prix events.

Well, firstly, thanks to all who turned up, the day is what you make of it.

As has been said, negative views should not be aired here, and instead pointed in the direction of club representatives. But seeing as a very one sided view is being put across here, could I at least offer the other side of this. I'm not questioning whether MHSC offered the equipment, but from my understanding, this was offered via email some time ago and no reply was given as no email had been seen. It was not Selsdon ignoring or snubbing, it was simply not recieved/seen. Perhaps it went to the wrong email address??? And I would therefore assume that having had no reply, MHSC assumed they were being ignored rather than check if the email/s had been seen and read. I'm sure if this had been chased up with a quick telephone call to confirm if the equipment was required or not then things may well have been different on the day. Sounds like a simple missunderstanding/communication. Competition committee members have come down to Selsdon to race and see the set up on a number of occassions and as far as I've seen and been aware, they have been happy, enjoyed the racing and not raised any issues that had to be addressed to make todays event possible. Anything that was required had been dealt with to the best of Selsdon's knowledge.

I should point out at this point that I am just a Selsdon member who goes to the club for a bit of competetive fun, I'm not running the club or involved with running the club.

Seldon Club does not have huge funds available and the equipment seen on the day was bought by one of the members from his own money, the club is reimbursing him as funds allow. It was, as everyone will be aware, the first time the club has put on such an event and considering the lack of knowledge of what is required, I'd personally say the Bolton Family have done well to put it on. The equipment is all very new and therefore bound to have teething issues, but having been tested at club nights over the last few weeks, Selsdon members have had no major problems. Of course, selsdon work on the basis of the person with the most wins is the overall winner so had to adapt to the competition rules of fastest time wins. Had communications between MHSC, Selson and the competition committee been better, then the result producing would have been spot on. As with all things, it's a case of learning with experience. I'm not sure I can get my head round how someone who wins every race can lose to someone who puts in one fast lap and comes last in each race, but perhaps I'm not fully understanding the competition rules. It's a system that obviously works, just not what I would expect.

The other issue I think people may have swung either way with was with the cars and the infamous 'red lane'. Surely the idea is the hosting club decides what cars to use and how they are set up (equally of course). That adds to the competition as you know your own cars, track and set up but are disadvantaged when visiting other tracks. As a visitor, you shouldn't be telling the host about how cars should be set up or type of track used. And if there is a car or a lane that is more tricky, then unless it's a major fault ie a wheel falls off, chassis breaks or motor burns out, the car continues to be used so everyone gets the same disadvantage. Everyone races every lane so the balance equals out, everyone gets to race three fast lanes and one which requires a bit more skill. Some people worked out the braking and how best to apply the power and had good results on the red lane, others just powered up too fast, braked late and as a result came off, but everyone used the same car and same lane, so all was equal other than driver skill.

If more clubs tend to use one type of track or car set up, don't look at the other hosts as unsuitable or unraceable, but look at the racing at those venues as a challenge. I'm sure in all types of racing you have people who like certain venues and don't like others, but you don't see Hamilton, Schumacher and the like turning round and saying it's all wrong, they just accept their race is not going as well as others and look to collect points at the tracks that are more favourable to them.

Again, thanks to all who turned up, without you guys showing up, there would be no event held and it's appreciated how far some have to travel.

If anyone does have any praises or critisisms or ideas to think about how the Selsdon club could learn and improve then please feel free to forward all comments direct to me in PM's rather than on here or seperate threads. I can then pass all comments on. I know at Selsdon, we are happy with our track and how we set up our cars. We have very competetive meetings and we know how our track and cars run. We like to think the track offers challenges, but thats our biased view and it's always good to see what other people think of the track, cars and venue.

[slot32]

I believe Paul Bizzell stayed behind and helped compile the results into a spread sheet. This he also did with Freddie at "half-time". I think that would be nearly two 1 hour stints to get the final standings!
Once again Paul has come to the rescue (remember Finchley ) so I think we must thank him again for that.

I should think that once he's able he will be able to get the "results" over to me and then I can update the Champ League web site.

ABBO

Paul left the same time as us . we were side by side on M25!

[slot32]

I too am from Horsham West Sussex where we used to have a club in Wakefields in West St.

I also have a laptop with a full version of winslot and with a ds remote control. If I had known the ds equipment was in place we could have run the event with a race pause facilty using my laptop ( it is not easy to transfer the winslot license)' and results produced on the spot.

The race organisers are Ken, Marc and John.

In this situation I am just a member of the MHSC team.

I also have a lot of equipment knowledge and experience and am willing to help those that are genuine.

[abbo]

The race organisers are Ken, Marc and John.

Not quite correct...

The race organisers are a rep from each club: Ken, Marc, John, Russell, Roland, Keith and Freddie.

Paul left the same time as us . we were side by side on M25!

Perhaps the results were done quicker than I though (haven't seen them yet though) or he somehow took a copy home to work on?

thanks marc for forgetting me

How could I ever forget you Nic???? Seriously, what I meant was that at Finchley, Paul had his laptop with him and laboriously went through all the times which had been lost (that included AFTER the event) and now once again, he was willing to sit down calmly and help out.


I think Foggy makes some valid points and I will try and explain some bits and pieces via a PM. After all, as he has stated, 2 guys went down to race at the club (or was it three) on a couple of occasions.





Marc

[slot32]

Not quite correct...

As I understand it the race controlling committee are 3 people ie You, John & Ken with each club having a representative to form a committee if there any problems.

Ken & Matt visited last week. I went last year with them. Ken has been asking what they were doing for lap counting and race management and he never had a reply. He asked for a pa system so we took one.

If he had asked for the winslot we could have taken that too!

With the lack of written rules and relying on verbals I guess confusion will reign!

I really want to help but communication problems exist.

nic
mhsc founder.






Perhaps the results were done quicker than I though (haven't seen them yet though) or he somehow took a copy home to work on?




How could I ever forget you Nic???? Seriously, what I meant was that at Finchley, Paul had his laptop with him and laboriously went through all the times which had been lost (that included AFTER the event) and now once again, he was willing to sit down calmly and help out.


I think Foggy makes some valid points and I will try and explain some bits and pieces via a PM. After all, as he has stated, 2 guys went down to race at the club (or was it three) on a couple of occasions.





Marc