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24 Jul 2007, 07:39
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Group: PLUS+ Posts: 3,509 Joined: 9-March 05 From: Oxon / Northants, UK Member No.: 2,150 |
If you cast your minds back to Xmas 2005 we started a project called the Aux Box. A small group of us set out to come up with an add on for the Powerbase which amongst other features would enable a PC to control the throttles.
In the early days of the project I proposed we drop the Aux Box and instead look into reprogramming the Powerbase, as that would give us that functionality and a lot more besides with no additional hardware cost. I established that contrary to popular belief that reprogramming was possible and then set about writing a specification that would enable our code to run on the Powerbase. The initial team reduced in size leaving myself and AndyS. Andy took on the huge task of writing the very large amount of code with me just answering the occasional question as to the hardware it would run on. In September 2006 I played with first working version of the code and a couple of months ago RikoRocket joined the team to help with the testing. Riko has done the bulk of the testing and playing. Andy has been adding features. I have been tracking down problems and making measurements. One particularly difficult bug threatened the whole project as it was blowing Powerbases faster than even Riko could mend them. The upgrade is a one way trip, we cannot return your Powerbase to its original Scalextric form. It will need to be sent to one of us for the initial upgrade but subsequently you will be able to upload new versions of the code yourself with an Aux lead and a PC. So what does it do, how much will it cost and how do I get one you ask? This is the big one, Rich -------------------- |
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24 Jul 2007, 07:44
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Ian ![]()
Group: Moderators Posts: 5,891 Joined: 24-February 05 From: Lincoln,Lincolnshire,UK Member No.: 2,098 |
Can you remember that kid at the back of the class with his hand up.... Me Sir! Me Sir! I' ll be first!!! ---Sit Down, bleep theres more to come! -------------------- |
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24 Jul 2007, 08:08
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Stuart Walters ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
Group: Members Posts: 842 Joined: 4-January 07 From: Black Notley, Essex, UK Member No.: 5,747 |
Come on then sir.............what can we expect from this mod?
-------------------- ![]() Track 1 ~ Digi Scalextric: Raceway 101 Track 2 ~ 3 Lane Routed track New project ~ 3 Lane Routed ~ DIABOLUS CADO ~ Stuart |
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24 Jul 2007, 08:40
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Top Tuner ![]()
Group: PLUS+ Posts: 480 Joined: 31-January 06 From: Melbourne (Australia) Member No.: 3,597 |
Bring it on
Greg -------------------- |
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24 Jul 2007, 09:42
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![]() Slothead ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 149 Joined: 2-November 05 From: Camberley, Surrey, UK Member No.: 2,992 |
Powerbase Pro – The Features
Following on from Rich’s introduction to PB Pro I’ll run through a list of the key features: Advanced and basic modes of operation – Advanced mode has the full feature set whilst basic mode is much simpler with quicker selection of primary race mode parameters Structured menus for setup and races Quick Car ID programming with minimal key presses – each hand controller brake button can be used to initiate programming for the corresponding ID Automatic car detection during the first lap of a race – no need to pre-select which hand controllers are being used Car Power Selection - 1/2, 3/4, 7/8 and full power can be specified for each individual car. Ideal for novices and young uns! Each hand controller can be individually fine tuned to prevent humming/creep at minimum throttle, to ensure maximum speed at full throttle and to improve response Alternatively a predefined throttle map giving a responsive S-shaped profile can be selected (future releases will allow alternative throttle maps to be downloaded from a PC) Each hand controller brake button can be defined to initiate a track call, bringing all cars to a halt or reduced to half speed Up to 6 cars can be defined as a pace car running at a single fixed speed, setup for either no lane change or random lane change Grand Prix race mode - during the race line 1 displays laps remaining, line 2 displays total time elapsed for lead car or time/laps behind for any other car. At race end line 1 displays the finish order, line 2 displays total race time or time/laps behind for each car Endurance race mode - during the race line 1 displays time remaining, line 2 displays laps completed for lead car or time/laps behind for any other car. At race end line 1 displays the finish order, line 2 displays laps completed or time/laps behind for each car Pursuit race mode can be set for unlimited or limited duration where cars are eliminated (stop or run at half speed) when they fall more than a lap behind the lead car. For a limited duration pursuit race any remaining cars will stop when the race duration expires. During the race line 1 displays time remaining (limited duration) or lead car (unlimited), line 2 display and race finish information is the same as for Endurance race mode The PB Pro software can be upgraded from a PC using an Aux lead I’ll now hand over to Riko to describe his experiences as a user of PB Pro... Andy |
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24 Jul 2007, 09:52
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Slot Guru ![]()
Group: PLUS+ Posts: 3,880 Joined: 22-June 06 From: Sevenoaks, Kent Member No.: 4,291 |
Well what can I say? This is THE best modification since sliced bread. Nobody is going to want to keep a standard 6PB any more!
How do you get one? Well to start with you need to have a V1.5 6PB fully functioning. Once we have officially launched this, you will send the 6PB to one of a number of us that are equipped to reprogram the processor. There will be a small charge for the hardware/firmware changes, a charge for return postage and a small charge for the software (which will also include upgrades and revisions to functionality until end 2008). Future upgrades are accomplished by a download with the modified PBs being capable of uploading via a fully connected Aux lead (RichG’s cables are fully connected). What is it like? Flipping incredible. There are just so many things that are worth doing this on their own! I just modified a 4PB to lower power for a friend of mine. With PB-Pro you can switch power up and down at a whim! Set it for the kids in the morning, increase power to 7/8ths for a fast session in the afternoon, and then when the guys come round in the evening whack it up to full speed and go for it! Finish the evening by setting it back to ˝ power ready for the morning and not worry about your cars! On top of that is the ability to adjust individual car’s power, so I can have my two year old racing at ˝ power so he never comes off, my 7 year old daughter on ľ ‘cos she can handle that, and still have full power for me. Or I can race against a novice, reduce my power so he has an advantage and effectively even the field so that racing is close. Those are worthwhile on their own to the majority of people. Add in the superb new feature of throttle adjustments. I still have early throttles. They creep at zero throttle. They are 2F not 3F so way down on top speed. That all disappears with a couple of clicks in the throttle calibration section. No creep, full top speed. Better than that you can set what is the throttles lowest speed – so when you touch the throttle you can make it at already ˝ speed (infinitely variable) so that for a fast circuit you have more control at the top end. Or it can be like SSD with most of the throttle working at the slow speeds. This is just linear at the moment, but I understand Andy has programmed in the possibility of uploading S profiles so we will be able to really play with throttles like an expensive professional analogue equivalent! All serious racers are going to love this. Pacer cars. PACER CARS PACER CARS YESSSS!!!!!!!! This is worth every penny of the modification. All you people putting elastic bands around throttles or cutting up the insides of a throttle to get an adjustable speed for a drone car, this is miles better. You can set up all six IDs to be pacer cars. If you plug in a throttle it is an automatic override. No throttle and car with that ID on the track, sits there nicely. Drive a car over the start line and all the pacer cars start! Brilliant! You can set up speed for the pacer cars individually by either throttle position or by incrementing a value on the PB. Its toooo easy! Now the killer bit that no elastic band can do….. Random lane change! Yes! Selectable so that if you want two pacer cars running in separate lanes without changing lanes you can do so. Now with an MSX5 setup you can have say 20 pacer cars circulating? You can have 5 circulating at different speeds whilst you dodge in and out of them. This is just another world! Even dealers will easily be able to have a demo set running. Mind blowing. It just blows me away every time I cross the line and they all start up in unison! And for a real race if you use the PB start button they start as the lights change green, so you can have them right up front if you want. Timing is now really 0.001 second increments. Despite Scalextric showing this level of decimal places the original 6PB actually increment in blocks, and the block size varies with time. Realistically timing is more like 1/100th than 1/1000th of a second. Now Andy has done the timing correctly, and for a small circuit you are working in this region, I often see a lap varying by 0.001 second on my nice big 32” screen with Awallaces or Rubens programs running! A bad lap may be down only 0.005 second. Scalextric were right to aim there, shame they missed. The computer link is fully functional btw so that all the current crop of race management programs work. The changes to make the interfaces simpler are magic. From start the PB defaults to GP10. Press one button and you are in program car mode, press menu, put a car on the track press the brake button on the throttle and the car is IDed! Next car, brake button, etc. This is as easy as the 4PB. Now with it that easy you can reprogram all six cars before any race and not worry about which is ID2 or not. Soooo simple, it’s brilliant! Once you have set up your throttles, pacer cars etc you can have the PB start thereafter in Basic mode. This is simple enough for the kids to use – just has program cars, race type select and number of laps. If you want you can set it so it starts in advanced mode always for all you meddlers out there! No frigging about with HC ERROR anymore. And at the end of the race Andy has added another feature, SSD had kill power at end of race, Andy has added “go slow” after finish. So you can circulate around for that lap of honour! Or line up for the next race. But you really know the race is over! For starting a race you can disable power temporarily whilst putting on the cars. With lots of people on one lane that really helps in setting up a race. One push of a button to cut power, push again and they are ready to go…. Last but not least is the Track Call feature. I’ve seen several attempts with wire and relays. This uses nothing! You can select the brake button to be the track call. All players then have the ability to stop play momentarily. Power can be cut or switched to slow the cars to a crawl. The display tells you who has made the track call. One button and power is restored. Yee Haa! So many things! Its like five Christmases have come at once! And we have to look forward to the software guys writing controls into their programs that will give true interaction rather than just displaying info. So fuel stutter, slowing or speeding up cars for fuel load, maybe forcing pit stops for penalties – the world is our oyster! Summary. Truly inspired, and a giant leap forward. All at negligible cost. Why didn’t Scalextric do this in the first place? Riko -------------------- |
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24 Jul 2007, 10:41
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Team Owner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,195 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Sydney Australia Member No.: 1,349 |
AAABSOLUTE %*&(^&)(*&) GENIUS WORK ANDY & RICH & RIKO!
At last I can tell everyone. Riko, apparently your notes on setting up the ICD2 clone would be handy... -------------------- ![]() |
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24 Jul 2007, 10:45
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![]() Slothead ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 198 Joined: 15-December 05 From: Wellington, New Zealand Member No.: 3,226 |
*jaw drops*
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24 Jul 2007, 10:46
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Learner Driver ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: 24-May 06 From: MN. USA Member No.: 4,162 |
Let's see here ...... it's not April 1st ..... pinch - ouch !#*@!! Wow , ` Powerbase Pro ' IMPRESIVE ! I'll stay tuned .
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24 Jul 2007, 10:47
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![]() Top Tuner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 329 Joined: 31-March 06 From: Kent, UK Member No.: 3,907 |
totally awesome, you are all amazing and incredibly clever. This is going to not only take SSD to the next level, but the level past that as well !!!!!!!
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24 Jul 2007, 11:08
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Slot Guru ![]()
Group: PLUS+ Posts: 3,880 Joined: 22-June 06 From: Sevenoaks, Kent Member No.: 4,291 |
AAABSOLUTE %*&(^&)(*&) GENIUS WORK ANDY & RICH & RIKO! At last I can tell everyone. Riko, apparently your notes on setting up the ICD2 clone would be handy... Drummer I've PM'ed it to you. Cheers Riko -------------------- |
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24 Jul 2007, 11:35
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![]() Alan Tadd ![]()
Group: PLUS+ Posts: 3,669 Joined: 7-October 03 From: Bath Uk Member No.: 200 |
Seriously impressive work Gentlemen.....Congratulations.
I just hope Scalex start manufacturing your creation and pay you millions for the priviledge. If they did it would surely see off other digital competition once and for all. I would love to see your system in operation on a a big four or six lane wood layout with 12 or so cars running a 24 hour event, now that would be an eye opener for many. Regards Alan -------------------- |
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24 Jul 2007, 12:28
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Group: PLUS+ Posts: 439 Joined: 22-March 05 From: Northern Virginia USA Member No.: 2,192 |
Wow !
Totally and utterly speechless great work guys, you will have every SSD user dancing in the streets.... Just say where to post it and how much and my PBs will be in the mail. Mike -------------------- |
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24 Jul 2007, 12:40
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Tea Boy ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 40 Joined: 8-November 06 From: South East UK Member No.: 5,124 |
I'm still trying to digest all the description from the test pilot!!!! Great stuff guys
Will the output stage be upgraded or will it still need the MS(etc) mod to allow more power????? Cheers Bud |
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24 Jul 2007, 12:56
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![]() Team Owner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,099 Joined: 31-May 04 From: USA - Northern Minnesota Member No.: 942 |
WOW................Do you guys EVER SLEEP???
This may be far beyond my requirements, but then again......................So Question, Do we still need to do Master Slave Mods??( or has this been worked out as well?) Outside Power source? ( I assume so) Abilities to recognize Pit lanes/New track pieces if developed etc? Just a few things off the top of my head -------------------- Todd
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