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moonlock
post 19 Dec 2008, 09:20
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Hi All,

I'm embarking on building a wooden track and it's time to sort out the lane changes.

I'm a total electronics newb, but making good headway with understanding what is needed to make it work, 3 main steps.

1) read the car!
2) figure out what to do (lane change yes/no)
3) do it

Steps 2 and 3 are cake (once you've got the bits from step 1) and I've got them sorted. It's the IR that's got me a bit stuck. All I need is a bitstream!!

To get started I got a very simple little IR breakout board. I've been able to read my TV remote, but that's all real easy to figure 'cause it's documented like nuts all over the place. Not a hint of life from the cars, tried ID's 1-4. From what I understand the cars send PWM at different Freqs depending on ID? Generic IR module picks up only on ~36Khz (3.6?)?

Long story short: Anybody built a reader for the cars?

From the post about extending the IR pickup for corners I found the part that works with the existing scaley circuit and grabbed a few. Examining the board in the LC track, it looks like a sensor (photodiode in backwards?) with a resistor (to set it's sensitivity?), and a transistor (to make ttl?). The LC pickup mod seems to use photodiodes, but the two sensors on the track pcb are labelled 't' (t5 and t6?) something... I've managed to get the photodiodes I've got to emit some signal (responding to cars!) but as I can't afford a scope for another month or two it's fricken' hard to nail it down. I've got a buddy that is an electronics whiz, so I can get some help, but any pointers, ideas or previous experience with this would be greatly appreciated!

p.s. Thanks so much to slotforum and it's members for all of the amazing info I've been able to find here!
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- moonlock   reading car IR signal for homemade lane change   19 Dec 2008, 09:20
- - RichG   Hi moonlock Welcome to the Forum and to the worl...   19 Dec 2008, 10:34
- - moonlock   That table is great! Quite illuminating, somet...   19 Dec 2008, 11:36
- - rolloverdj   Sounds great. There are a couple of features that...   19 Dec 2008, 14:06
- - brumbaer   @RichG When I remember correctly, the duty cycle i...   20 Dec 2008, 14:58
- - RichG   Hi S-H Well spotted, you are correct, my descrip...   20 Dec 2008, 16:16
- - moonlock   Fantastic stuff. I was wondering about that illus...   21 Dec 2008, 06:27
- - moonlock   UPDATE: Whoa... This is much easier than it looks...   28 Dec 2008, 18:34
- - RikoRocket   Brilliant, Moon, Brilliant! Yes collision det...   29 Dec 2008, 01:05
- - GregR   A data logger that analyzes reception around the t...   29 Dec 2008, 03:21
- - moonlock   Right on, thanks you guys. riko: I'm an ...   30 Dec 2008, 21:51
- - injectorman   Rather than cancel request it needs to move gate t...   31 Dec 2008, 08:14
- - moonlock   success. Proof of concept works killer. You can ...   2 Jan 2009, 23:17
- - moonlock   re collision detection: Just thinking, solenoid r...   2 Jan 2009, 23:24
- - moonlock   IR readout on cheapo-scope: This is with the ca...   2 Jan 2009, 23:51
- - moonlock   Here is the basic point motor wiring I used to get...   4 Jan 2009, 14:06
- - racerx   Hey Moon, nice work. You are right the IRF540A i...   4 Jan 2009, 19:28
- - moonlock   This is it. Tales from the hack-side... In figur...   4 Jan 2009, 23:19
- - racerx   Moon, I must have missed your CDU comment. That l...   6 Jan 2009, 00:45
- - rolloverdj   Awesome work, If you get something working succes...   7 Jan 2009, 04:47
- - moonlock   thanks phil, good call. could have 7 jumpers. 1-...   7 Jan 2009, 21:30
- - rolloverdj   Moonlock, Just bumping the topic to see how the p...   18 Jan 2009, 23:09
- - moonlock   Cheers for the bump. I'm in montana skiing fo...   25 Jan 2009, 22:07
- - Umbra   Very interesting thread this was exacly what i was...   30 Jan 2009, 17:49
- - Umbra   Hey time to stop skiing now and get to work ;-) he...   4 Feb 2009, 12:42
- - rolloverdj   Moonlock, hows this coming along? any more progre...   23 Feb 2009, 02:22
- - Umbra   Hiho hope some dev is made on this :-) Have looked...   24 Feb 2009, 11:09
- - Umbra   Since we havnt heard anything about this project f...   5 Mar 2009, 08:25
- - Umbra   Updated the above image a little missed some stuff...   5 Mar 2009, 10:53
- - Umbra   A little example for a standalone controller..   8 Mar 2009, 21:11
- - moonlock   I'm almost done skiing!! I'll be b...   16 Mar 2009, 08:10
- - Umbra   Nice pictures :-) This one is real nice http://ww...   16 Mar 2009, 08:15
- - duncanb   looks awesome. I have 5 custom lane changes to fin...   18 Mar 2009, 21:09
- - Umbra   Well if "we" get it all working as we wa...   18 Mar 2009, 22:13
- - moonlock   hi... I'm just about through sorting out some...   1 May 2009, 21:17
- - Rapid   Are you guys still working on this ? I'm plan...   5 Jun 2009, 19:19
- - moonlock   yep. has been on hold for ages, life gets in the w...   5 Jun 2009, 22:05
- - Rapid   Life will probably get in the way of my build time...   7 Jun 2009, 16:42
- - moonlock   just about done getting my workshop sorted out her...   7 Jun 2009, 17:09
- - MIH   Not wanting to upset what moonlock has done, but c...   16 Jun 2009, 11:19
- - moonlock   Not upsetting a thing! That's a nice synop...   16 Jun 2009, 12:57
- - Umbra   Nice to see your on it again :-P   28 Jun 2009, 15:13
- - moonlock   got all my computers set up, mini test track and a...   28 Jun 2009, 21:56
- - PSRRFH   good to see this thread resurrect. cheers   29 Jun 2009, 15:30
- - moonlock   progress... http://www.moonlockwood.com/montana/s...   11 Jul 2009, 06:42
- - MrFlippant   I believe some people have done some LEDs in the g...   12 Jul 2009, 05:18
- - moonlock   I come from a model airplane (150 mph+ gliders) ba...   12 Jul 2009, 17:10
- - moonlock   I'm curious... -------------------------------...   12 Jul 2009, 17:15
- - GregR   Pretty much never or so rare I don't notice. ...   12 Jul 2009, 20:55
- - MrFlippant   I'm pretty sure an ID emitter in the guide bla...   12 Jul 2009, 23:25
- - moonlock   thank you for your feedback it's super helpful...   14 Jul 2009, 18:06
- - Umbra   QUOTE (MrFlippant @ 13 Jul 2009, 00:25) I...   18 Jul 2009, 12:57
- - Umbra   hiho moonlock i thought this page could come handy...   25 Jul 2009, 10:20
- - moonlock   -- :: CAUTION V TECHNICAL :: -- avert your eyes(o...   30 Jul 2009, 23:44
- - Umbra   The id is determined by how many bits there are be...   31 Jul 2009, 10:37
- - MIH   The purpose of my circuit (electricimages.co.nz) i...   31 Jul 2009, 13:11
- - Umbra   Right you are MIH though i dont see it as diff frq...   31 Jul 2009, 13:53
- - moonlock   Ian, thank you very much for your reply. As you sa...   31 Jul 2009, 18:27
- - MIH   And if I could lay my hands on a suitable PhotoTra...   1 Aug 2009, 11:55
- - MIH   QUOTE (RichG @ 19 Dec 2008, 22:34) ... ...   9 Aug 2009, 11:15
- - Umbra   The signal cant realy be patented since its from t...   9 Aug 2009, 20:55
- - MIH   Ummm, agree and disagree. There is a lot of simil...   10 Aug 2009, 09:19
- - Umbra   Sure there is always a risc that the lawers comes ...   10 Aug 2009, 15:12
- - moonlock   it's an interesting one. would be nice if they...   10 Aug 2009, 18:23
- - moonlock   afterthought re patent stuff: the way my first ve...   11 Aug 2009, 06:51
- - Umbra   Correct the first version without ID dont do any d...   12 Aug 2009, 07:37
- - MIH   QUOTE (Umbra @ 12 Aug 2009, 19:37) Correc...   12 Aug 2009, 08:39
- - Umbra   http://www.nmra.org/standards/DCC/standard...-92-2...   12 Aug 2009, 09:01
- - moonlock   that pdf is rad, but unless I got it wrong (just g...   12 Aug 2009, 13:05
- - Umbra   Well i doubt Hornby could patent a system that sen...   12 Aug 2009, 13:10
- - moonlock   the data on the rails is the dcc(ish) stuff. As I ...   13 Aug 2009, 04:12
- - Umbra   Correct in DCC all is by the rail.. And the switch...   13 Aug 2009, 08:21
- - MIH   QUOTE (Umbra @ 13 Aug 2009, 20:21) In one...   13 Aug 2009, 09:50
- - Umbra   Was more talk about the dcc protocol as such.. We...   13 Aug 2009, 10:06
- - moonlock   please no-one take offense, but, I'm getting c...   13 Aug 2009, 15:01
- - MIH   QUOTE (Umbra @ 13 Aug 2009, 22:06) ... Ho...   14 Aug 2009, 21:25
- - moonlock   20th came and went... Was just about there, then ...   23 Aug 2009, 14:39
- - racerx   Moon, Are you using a serial converter like the m...   25 Aug 2009, 01:54
- - moonlock   parts ordered and shipped, next update should be a...   28 Aug 2009, 03:11
- - rolloverdj   Hey moon, Got an update for us? Cheers Phil   4 Nov 2009, 02:17
- - moonlock   been sidetracked by real life... weird to see you...   4 Nov 2009, 07:31
- - Eszaraxe   Will it be possible to build the lc's so you c...   4 Nov 2009, 11:04
- - moonlock   wouldn't bother if you couldn't flip...   4 Nov 2009, 16:51
- - racerx   Did you get my package dude? : )   24 Nov 2009, 00:12
- - moonlock   sure did. all around thing of beauty... the templ...   24 Nov 2009, 01:16
- - moonlock   Well, here it is. The day has finally come. I hav...   30 Nov 2009, 08:37
- - PSRRFH   Hip hip Hurrrrrayyy good job. The sensors missing...   30 Nov 2009, 09:46
- - L.Cerante   This is quite interesting!! I'll be wa...   3 Jan 2010, 13:18
- - moonlock   back from hols as of today, I'll be wrapping t...   3 Jan 2010, 20:55
- - Rapid   QUOTE (moonlock @ 3 Jan 2010, 20:55) out ...   5 Jan 2010, 17:12
- - moonlock   the arduino is much easier to get into, but if pro...   5 Jan 2010, 18:15
- - L.Cerante   That'd be great. Though I wouldn't be capa...   7 Jan 2010, 11:20
- - moonlock   right on leo, I understand completely. when are g...   7 Jan 2010, 16:59
- - mgmike   I wou;dlike to see both pics and tutorial cheers M...   7 Jan 2010, 17:22
- - lang1   A PIC based tutorial woould be wonderful. Thanks f...   7 Jan 2010, 18:39
- - moonlock   must say that I appreciate all the interest in thi...   7 Jan 2010, 19:59
- - kris8583   Cant wait for next update, was going to post soon ...   18 Jan 2010, 00:33
- - moonlock   Hiya, where does the time go!!! ...   5 Feb 2010, 03:29
- - sealevel   So where does one learn the "basics" of ...   5 Feb 2010, 06:43
- - PSRRFH   Looking forward to see a tutprial as I'm about...   5 Feb 2010, 09:03
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