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[Mahill]

Hi Fred,

I'm glad you chose the set of rules that say "Any year body". Allows a bit more variety with bodies.
I've seen rules that mandate '82 or newer bodies also.

Do the Maltese guys have these very same rules ?

Cheers,
Osku

Hi Osku

You're right, it does make sense to get some of our rules closer to what works well in the US, still we're not ready to give up all our freedom! Not too sure pre-82 bodies would work as well in the aero department, still up to everybody to chose.
Are you planning to build for this Class ?

Rule is the same in Malta, I asked Vince & Charles before posting the rules to be sure.

/ Markus Osku was right, Megamasters are not legal class motors, neither in the US nor in Europe, legal drag CCans (12s or 20s) must be singles or quads.
Are you planning to come and race with us?

Steve yes Malta is the only place for MM/PS loaners for the moment, I'm also going to build a spare car or 2, some French racers seem to be interested in the class so maybe locally as well.

Cheers
Fred

[dragrap]

Just a quick sanity check:

I like the ESDU regs 'cause they're simple.

Please don't get hung up with the SDRA regs and over complicate things.

End of bleat.

[Osku]

Hi Fred,

You're right, it does make sense to get some of our rules closer to what works well in the US, still we're not ready to give up all our freedom! Not too sure pre-82 bodies would work as well in the aero department, still up to everybody to chose.
Are you planning to build for this Class ?

Planned? Yes
Body selected? Yes, '82 Ford EXP
Started already? Yes
Finished in time? Hopefully

I agree, pre -82 bodies are boxier than later models, but I think for example MPC '75-81 Camaros might be a good candidate.
I have two of those MPC kits and will try that body too later.
Needs a lot more work than i.e. 90's Camaros but I think it's worth trying.

The race-proven Revell '69 Camaro is on my MM/PS-to-do-some-year list too.
Old body + new scoop & wing is not necessarily fully with the spirit of the class but it's still legal.

Cheers,
Osku

[Mahill]

Hi Dragrap

Think they need to be simple to let most cars in from throughout Europe, the local club-raceway is the place for more precise regs among racers who have similar interests.

SDRA has been a dead group in the US for nearly 10 years, most racers felt they were pushing their DRS products too much and quit.
Today's rules are UDA but we hear a lot of complaints in the US forums that they lack the guts to enforce their motor rules, the biggest raceways have their own versions of these rules which they traditionaly enforce "softly" on their local customers.

Cheers
Fred

[Mahill]

Hi Fred,
Planned? Yes
Body selected? Yes, '82 Ford EXP
Started already? Yes
Finished in time? Hopefully

I agree, pre -82 bodies are boxier than later models, but I think for example MPC '75-81 Camaros might be a good candidate.
I have two of those MPC kits and will try that body too later.
Needs a lot more work than i.e. 90's Camaros but I think it's worth trying.

The race-proven Revell '69 Camaro is on my MM/PS-to-do-some-year list too.
Old body + new scoop & wing is not necessarily fully with the spirit of the class but it's still legal.

Cheers,
Osku

Hi Osku

Glad to see the class raises interest so was a good choice, if you've started it already guess you're motivated enough to finish it at least in primer and dominate like you did in SS & Gr12 at Malta 08.

You're right some of the older bodies have the potential to be tweaked to modern aero and weight standards with a lot of work, we're behind you on that brave decision !

Cheers
Fred

[Osku]

Thanks Fred,

I'll try my best, although every one of my attempt with G20's have been pretty much struggling so far.
Keeping in mind that Maltese Army has much more experience in MM/PS, I really wouldn't expect domination from my part.

I wouldn't say I dominated G12 in Malta either, it was a pretty tight racing as far as i can remember.
I just had a good car and a bit of luck, and run out of luck in the decider.

Cheers,
Osku

[Mahill]

Hi Osku

The Gr20 syndrome is certainly a motor issue rather than a car setup issue so just time to look for the right power, especially now that we have 3 Gr20 classes, anyway I wouldn't count myself in the MM/PS hot favourite seat as well for the same reasons.

Well you didn't dominate Gr12 as much as SS In malta, would say your car qualified just behind Charles who TQed all 3 CCan classes, kept improving & later set track record before that ever so tight decider loss in the final, a good car is the accurate word I guess!

Cheers
Fred

[slotmedic]

Hi everybody, after having a short brack it's time to BE BACK !!!!. ESDU MM/PS team class is a steping stone towards those of us who are interested in racing in the US in the future. Steve there is a big chance that I might have any extra new MM/PS roller you can race at the ESDU.All you will need is a good gp 20 motor. I will confirm in due course.
Fred when can we expect some photo's ?

Charles

[Steve D]

Thanks Charles that would be great, need another for Matt if you can beg, steal or borrow from someone at the club.

[Mahill]

Hi Charles

Track has the new 3.5 farad caps on, so real quick, I keep improving it on some details anyway.
The ETs I'm geting are ahead of my own bests on your track at ESDU 08, my cars should have improved but I haven't started to search motor timings & gears yet so doesn't say much.

I need to have some nice pics done, gonna do that tomorow..

Cheers
Fred

[Dragaddict]

Hi Steve, I was thinking of getting back the car that I drove you from the hotel to the raceway, fit a scoop on it and giving to Matt to run it. LOL I think I would be able to give Matt an MM/PS car, I'll have to check if I'll be building some new cars and keep you informed, Vince.

[Steve D]

Hi Vince, I think 'that' car will probably be in the scrap yard already after your trips to and from the Raceway!!! Don't think it will pass scrutineering anyway, wrong body style, thanks anyway. Second option sounds better, if you have a spare that would be handy. Thanks in anticipation.

Hope you guys are all well, looking forward to seeing you all again in August.

Cheers

[Steve D]

Hi Fred, looking forward to running on your track, would be good to see some pics.

Cheers

[Osku]

Hi Fred,

So, is this the final set of rules for 2010 EC theme class ?

Cheers,
Osku

Mountain Motor Pro Stock (MM/PS)

Body: Any year (1/24th or 1/25th scale) must be of plastic or resin. (No styrene). Body may be
lowered, but must maintain two thirds of the front bumper. Body must retain original door lines. Body
may not be chopped. Wheel-wells may be enlarged to reflect the pro stock look not to exceed 1-5/16”
on 1/25th scale and 1-1/2” on 1/24th scale. No two seat coupes, i.e. Corvettes, Vipers, Prowlers etc. No
convertibles. (T-Tops ok). Vehicle must resemble full scale I.H.R.A. or N.H.R.A. pro stock vehicles.
Body must have original front and rear bumpers as delivered by the factory. Rear bumper/valence may
be opened for wheelie bar struts. The portion of the bumper/valence panel between the wheelie bars
may be removed. The removed area shall not exceed 1-3/16 by 3/16 inch Head lights, parking and tail
lights must be retained in stock original factory location but they may be filled and reproduced by
decals and/or paint.

Diaplanes: Prohibited.

Hood Scoop: Must be pro stock style scoop. All cars must have a scoop.

Rear Spoiler: Pro stock style spoiler with spill plates only. Must be chrome or painted to match paint
scheme of car. maximum length is 7/8”measured from mounting point of body to end of spoiler. It
cannot be molded into body. Minimum length ¼”. Spoiler width must be as wide as the deck lid and
no wider than the rear fender where attached. Spoiler must attach to the tail end of rear deck no lower
than horizontal. Spill plates cannot measure more than 5/16” tall.

Chassis: Unlimited, ball bearings allowed. All motors must be mounted in-line only. Wheelie bars
must not exceed 5” from center line of rear axle to center line of wheelie bar axle.

Front Wheels: ¾” minimum diameter. As measured from the outside diameter of the tire. The
angling of front wheels to allow lowering of front end prohibited. Flat spotting of tires to allow for
clearance is prohibited.

Rear Wheels/Tires: Wheel hub diameter 5/8”, tire diameter minimum 1-1/16”. Minimum tire tread
width fully contacting track surface (0.500”).

Motor: Group 20 Weight: 120 grams

[Mahill]

Hi Osku

Well unless some typing mistake has crept in I guess yes it is, is something bothering you?

Cheers
Fred