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Frederic

Should have been clearer.

When I say the top of the engine cover I meant on the actual bodywork.
Do not know if it is open. Has a mesh. Has any peripherals, fuel caps etc...

The logo issue is more to do with the multitude of supplier logos mainly on the side pods.
 

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Para no desviar tu tema, voy a realizar un aporte en el Lola Cosworth de Vélez explicando como lo hago yo para solventar un poco los dos problemas que mencionas.

In order not to deviate from your topic, I am going to make a contribution to Lola Cosworth de Vélez explaining how I do it to solve a little the two problems you mention.

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Hope you all do not mind we going on here but started a new 1979 USAC racer,
but thought it worth chucking in because it is a bit different from me taking a body and converting it.
I went more or less full scratch on this one. Trying to push what shapes I can get from styrene whilst
exploring the unique shape and curves I can make out on this particular car.

Mike Mosley Eagle. 3rd at Indy in 1979.

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Apart from a few other internet sourced pics this is all I had to work from.
I looked at doing everything forward of the engine and then mating it to a SRC M23 rear end to then mate to their
strait forward M23 chassis retaining the screw mounting points.

Did a drawing starting with the engine dimensions and keeping the SRC track and wheel base.
Printed on to self adhesive film to stick to the styrene sheets for chopping out but hand.
I say that because it keeps occurring to me that a Cricut machine could be a good thing
whilst I continue to explore this medium. Sure the 3dprinting crowd will say otherwise but that will come one day.

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With this done I set about cutting out and seeing how the styrene stood up to the shapes and bends on here.
Normally I would add my conversion on to an existing body but with the low profile of this car's side pods
I slotted the rear of the M23 body over my basic front end.

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Triple thick skin thick around the front suspension area ready to drill into and mount the front wishbones
securely as this one will not have a front axle like my last one. On those USAC racers the top suspension arm went to the middle of the wheel. And it keeps the front wheel up off the track when it comes time to run it.

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Front of the cockpit is of a profile I have never seen on any other racer that I can recall but the styrene behaved.

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Ensured I had sufficient wheel clearance at the rear before mounting the radiator planes onto the main body.
Got some interesting shapes to form to match the curved panels as I go.
But with the cross brace just behind the front suspension and with the cockpit area done it has become quite sturdy whilst very very light.

Hope to make some real progress in the next couple of days whilst I am off work and the F1 and F2 is on the box.
 

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Hope you all do not mind we going on here but started a new 1979 USAC racer,
but thought it worth chucking in because it is a bit different from me taking a body and converting it.
I went more or less full scratch on this one. Trying to push what shapes I can get from styrene whilst
exploring the unique shape and curves I can make out on this particular car.

Mike Mosley Eagle. 3rd at Indy in 1979.

View attachment 289100

Apart from a few other internet sourced pics this is all I had to work from.
I looked at doing everything forward of the engine and then mating it to a SRC M23 rear end to then mate to their
strait forward M23 chassis retaining the screw mounting points.

Did a drawing starting with the engine dimensions and keeping the SRC track and wheel base.
Printed on to self adhesive film to stick to the styrene sheets for chopping out but hand.
I say that because it keeps occurring to me that a Cricut machine could be a good thing
whilst I continue to explore this medium. Sure the 3dprinting crowd will say otherwise but that will come one day.

View attachment 289101

With this done I set about cutting out and seeing how the styrene stood up to the shapes and bends on here.
Normally I would add my conversion on to an existing body but with the low profile of this car's side pods
I slotted the rear of the M23 body over my basic front end.

View attachment 289103

View attachment 289104

Triple thick skin thick around the front suspension area ready to drill into and mount the front wishbones
securely as this one will not have a front axle like my last one. On those USAC racers the top suspension arm went to the middle of the wheel. And it keeps the front wheel up off the track when it comes time to run it.

View attachment 289105

Front of the cockpit is of a profile I have never seen on any other racer that I can recall but the styrene behaved.

View attachment 289106

Ensured I had sufficient wheel clearance at the rear before mounting the radiator planes onto the main body.
Got some interesting shapes to form to match the curved panels as I go.
But with the cross brace just behind the front suspension and with the cockpit area done it has become quite sturdy whilst very very light.

Hope to make some real progress in the next couple of days whilst I am off work and the F1 and F2 is on the box.
Always glad to look at the old school S&B you and Frederic do mate, I like how you cut and glue and adapt to your needs, great work!, will follow the advances of this project with interest 😉👍🏼
 

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Hope you all do not mind we going on here but started a new 1979 USAC racer, but thought it worth chucking in because it is a bit different from me taking a body and converting it.
A mi también me interesa el tema, `pero en mi opinión, los temas de los foristas que no cumplen ciertos requisitos no generan muchas opiniones.
Como lector, si entiendo todo, pues bien, si algo me hace dudar, pues pregunto. Y si puedo dar alguna idea, aporto lo que sé, no me guardo nada.
Como iniciador de un tema, al que le interese pues bien, al que no, pues que no lea.
Gracias por aportar Quatrozero. Y gracias a ti también GDSLOT


I'm also interested in the topic, `but in my opinion, the topics of the forum members who do not meet certain requirements do not generate many opinions.
As a reader, if I understand everything, well, if something makes me doubt, then I ask. And if I can give an idea, I contribute what I know, I do not keep anything.
As the initiator of a topic, who is interested well, who is not, then not read.
Thanks for contributing Quatrozero. And thanks to you too GDSLOT

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Discussion Starter · #28 ·
Gotta get getting on because from Tuesday I am on shifts all the way thru
Christmas and the New Year.
Stayed up late with the styrene off cuts amusing my cats as they fell to the floor!

Progress.

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Allot gone on to the model here following the limited reference I have as best I can
whilst looking at other Cosworth DFX ref from other cars raced in 1979.

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Probably not to absolute correct scale but it may amuse some to know
where these bitz all came from.

Rear view mirror casing came from 1/48th bombs from a
Luftwaffe crew and equipment kit set.
The various bitz on the back are put together from spare
Thunderbirds 2 vehicle kits and a star wars kit.
Domes at the front are spare 1/24th Ford GT 40 head lights.
I cannot recommend enough the retaining spare odds and bobs.
I have a bundle of unused photo etch
optional parts from 1/43rd kits that come into play for body catches
and fuel caps that just help no end.
Guess building all manner of stuff in plastic, resin and white metal at all scales does help;
Don't chuck anything out! One day it will be that one bit you can use to get something done.
Probably preaching to the converted but still think it worth mentioning.

This subject matter is very niche, even for my comrades
on an Indycar modelling forum.
I will look at EVERYTHING in the scratch build section, even if I do not comment on them,
because there is so much to learn.
Without that resource I doubt I would have had the bottle to even attempt anything like this.
 

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Hope you all do not mind we going on here but started a new 1979 USAC racer,
but thought it worth chucking in because it is a bit different from me taking a body and converting it.
I went more or less full scratch on this one. Trying to push what shapes I can get from styrene whilst
exploring the unique shape and curves I can make out on this particular car.

Mike Mosley Eagle. 3rd at Indy in 1979.

View attachment 289100

Apart from a few other internet sourced pics this is all I had to work from.
I looked at doing everything forward of the engine and then mating it to a SRC M23 rear end to then mate to their
strait forward M23 chassis retaining the screw mounting points.

Did a drawing starting with the engine dimensions and keeping the SRC track and wheel base.
Printed on to self adhesive film to stick to the styrene sheets for chopping out but hand.
I say that because it keeps occurring to me that a Cricut machine could be a good thing
whilst I continue to explore this medium. Sure the 3dprinting crowd will say otherwise but that will come one day.

View attachment 289101

With this done I set about cutting out and seeing how the styrene stood up to the shapes and bends on here.
Normally I would add my conversion on to an existing body but with the low profile of this car's side pods
I slotted the rear of the M23 body over my basic front end.

View attachment 289103

View attachment 289104

Triple thick skin thick around the front suspension area ready to drill into and mount the front wishbones
securely as this one will not have a front axle like my last one. On those USAC racers the top suspension arm went to the middle of the wheel. And it keeps the front wheel up off the track when it comes time to run it.

View attachment 289105

Front of the cockpit is of a profile I have never seen on any other racer that I can recall but the styrene behaved.

View attachment 289106

Ensured I had sufficient wheel clearance at the rear before mounting the radiator planes onto the main body.
Got some interesting shapes to form to match the curved panels as I go.
But with the cross brace just behind the front suspension and with the cockpit area done it has become quite sturdy whilst very very light.

Hope to make some real progress in the next couple of days whilst I am off work and the F1 and F2 is on the box.
Loving the USAC cars.........what thickness styrene do you use ??
 

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Got to a decent pause point.
Back on shifts now 'til just after the New Year so cannot see me
doing much over the next two weeks but might get an hour here or there.

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To reply to the question about the styrene.

'Evergreen' sheets.
The basic lower part of the body has a shell made from 1.4 or 1.2mm thick
Top plane of body and nose goes thinner to about 0.75 which allows enough thickness
to sand the edges and lose the join line.
Cockpit surround went thinner still but not TOO thin. Likely to be 0.4mm
to allow me to glue the clear screen on later.
Wings are either 1.5 thick for larger contact area when fixing with the lead edge sanded,
or if they have a large curved leading edge
I will use the really thin stuff wrapped around a styrene rod at the leading edge.
Wing end plates. Well they are 'wafer thin' as Monty Python might suggest. Almost paper thin.
Cannot find the packet to be specific. 0.2mm maybe?

I guess at the end of the day it is paper modelling with plastic sheets.

I have crashed one I made before and simply re did one the front wing
but not really a satisfactory way to go forward.
Might look at small metal rods through the thick nose flanks in future
with folded over wings slotted into place.
 

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Hola Quatrozero,
Los planos verticales del alerón posterior son muy finos y no se si podrías hacer encastres del tipo "macho-hembra". Lo puedes probar para el siguiente coche.
El morro del coche lo atravieso con un trozo de clip de oficina, hasta cubrir como mínimo la mitad de cada lado del alerón anterior. Además, a ambas partes del alerón y por debajo, les hago como una especie de canal para que se asiente mejor.
En todos mis coches utilizo esta manera de hacer los alerones, casi siempre hechos con tarjeta de crédito, como en el último Lola T95.


Hello Quatrozero,

The vertical planes of the rear wing are very fine and I don't know if you could make fittings of the "male-female" type. You can test it for the next car.

I go through the nose of the car with a piece of office paperclip, until at least half of each side of the front wing is covered. In addition, to both parts of the spoiler and below, I make them as a kind of channel so that it sits better.

In all my cars I use this way of making the spoilers, almost always done with a credit card, as in the last Lola T95.

Frederic
 

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So I was going to have to leave this for a while.
That was until I tested positive for Covid and got ten days locked away at home for my trouble.
Feel rough but this project kept my mind off things although bit of effort needed at times to stay focused.

All the parts are made. Just waiting for some decals to arrive and art working those I need not included.
And the Mosley figure fits as snug as bug thankfully.

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This thing has already got me thinking about some future Formula 1 projects of the time......

As I doubt I will post before 2021 is done, If you will just bare with me I just want to say.

I spent a good few years just doing statics and taking ideas from a top bunch of blokes
on an open wheel modelling forum. I learnt so much.
It sparked all kinds of ideas and attempts at building
models never produced as kits for my collection.
When I found out about the resin bodies available at 1/32 available through this forum,
I came back regularly and eventually submitted a model after looking at so much content on here
that sparked even more and more ideas. That and the bottle to have a go at doing some models
I would never have previously considered or thought I could ever do.
I do sometimes think it is a shame that I did not do all of this 10 or 15 years ago.
But would I have been able to?
The advances in the material we can now buy to sort out a decent chassis and motor/pinion/cog/axle/tire combo.
The tools available to get the precision parts and pieces done. The paints. The way of producing decals.
Resin casting being something for anyone willing to give it a go rather than a few specialists.
3d printing coming to the fore. Brilliant isn't it?
But do still very much admire the handcrafted resin shells that allow for mods.
Fascinating reading every time.
I mean an actual four wheel drive Lotus 63! The Porsches. The Beetles. That Indycar Dallara.

It all comes from passion. We all have this passion for this slot car thing
and go on and express it in such great diverse ways.
But what I find so cool is that I can learn and apply myself to trying things
because of what I see on this part of the forum. And strive to match some of the excellence I see.
This forum and the other one. I call it cross 'threading' (groan!).

If someone takes one thing I might do or mention and it sparks an idea
or a step in helping them create something they have a passion for themselves then all the better.

I think forum member Frederic touched on something similar in his own thread.

I have so much more to learn about chassis set ups and truing tires and digital systems etc
but for now the cosmetic is where I am focused and will continue to look and learn. Avidly.

Get off me soap box now.

Do keep well and stay safe. And thanks.

Joe
 

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[QUOTE="Quatrozero, post: 2505168, member: 25862
I spent a good few years just doing statics and taking ideas from a top bunch of blokes
on an open wheel modelling forum.
[/QUOTE]
Hola Joe,
Visité ese foro y vi algunos temas interesantes, como el Dallara.
Pero me ha quedado una duda. El traductor me traduce como un foro de "Ruedas abiertas"
¿Puedes aclararme la temática de ese foro? ¿Estáticos?
Gracias.


Hello Joe,
I visited that forum and saw some interesting topics, like the Dallara.
But I have a doubt. The translator translates me as an "Open Wheels" forum
Can you clarify the theme of that forum? Static?
Thanks
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So I was going to have to leave this for a while.
That was until I tested positive for Covid and got ten days locked away at home for my trouble.
Feel rough but this project kept my mind off things although bit of effort needed at times to stay focused.

All the parts are made. Just waiting for some decals to arrive and art working those I need not included.
And the Mosley figure fits as snug as bug thankfully.

View attachment 290099

This thing has already got me thinking about some future Formula 1 projects of the time......

As I doubt I will post before 2021 is done, If you will just bare with me I just want to say.

I spent a good few years just doing statics and taking ideas from a top bunch of blokes
on an open wheel modelling forum. I learnt so much.
It sparked all kinds of ideas and attempts at building
models never produced as kits for my collection.
When I found out about the resin bodies available at 1/32 available through this forum,
I came back regularly and eventually submitted a model after looking at so much content on here
that sparked even more and more ideas. That and the bottle to have a go at doing some models
I would never have previously considered or thought I could ever do.
I do sometimes think it is a shame that I did not do all of this 10 or 15 years ago.
But would I have been able to?
The advances in the material we can now buy to sort out a decent chassis and motor/pinion/cog/axle/tire combo.
The tools available to get the precision parts and pieces done. The paints. The way of producing decals.
Resin casting being something for anyone willing to give it a go rather than a few specialists.
3d printing coming to the fore. Brilliant isn't it?
But do still very much admire the handcrafted resin shells that allow for mods.
Fascinating reading every time.
I mean an actual four wheel drive Lotus 63! The Porsches. The Beetles. That Indycar Dallara.

It all comes from passion. We all have this passion for this slot car thing
and go on and express it in such great diverse ways.
But what I find so cool is that I can learn and apply myself to trying things
because of what I see on this part of the forum. And strive to match some of the excellence I see.
This forum and the other one. I call it cross 'threading' (groan!).

If someone takes one thing I might do or mention and it sparks an idea
or a step in helping them create something they have a passion for themselves then all the better.

I think forum member Frederic touched on something similar in his own thread.

I have so much more to learn about chassis set ups and truing tires and digital systems etc
but for now the cosmetic is where I am focused and will continue to look and learn. Avidly.

Get off me soap box now.

Do keep well and stay safe. And thanks.

Joe
Hope you get better mate, most important is to rest and get rid of the stress that comes with the damn virus, so take your meds and try to relax.😉

The most profilic time I have had with my slot cars was when I got the virus, two whole weeks painting and building slot cars, figures and scenery, so at least I hope it will give you some quality time with your hobby.

Your models are great btw, old school S&B, keep it up!😀

Daniel
 

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[QUOTE="Quatrozero, post: 2505168, member: 25862
I spent a good few years just doing statics and taking ideas from a top bunch of blokes
on an open wheel modelling forum.
Hola Joe,
Visité ese foro y vi algunos temas interesantes, como el Dallara.
Pero me ha quedado una duda. El traductor me traduce como un foro de "Ruedas abiertas"
¿Puedes aclararme la temática de ese foro? ¿Estáticos?
Gracias.


Hello Joe,
I visited that forum and saw some interesting topics, like the Dallara.
But I have a doubt. The translator translates me as an "Open Wheels" forum
Can you clarify the theme of that forum? Static?
Thanks
Frederic
[/QUOTE]
“Open wheels” significa coches de F1 o Grand Prix, obvio es referencia a que son carros sin carenado alguno.

“Open wheels” means F1 or GP Cars, obviously means cars without fenders or body parts covering the wheels.

Daniel
 
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So I was going to have to leave this for a while.
That was until I tested positive for Covid and got ten days locked away at home for my trouble.
Feel rough but this project kept my mind off things although bit of effort needed at times to stay focused.

All the parts are made. Just waiting for some decals to arrive and art working those I need not included.
And the Mosley figure fits as snug as bug thankfully.

View attachment 290099

This thing has already got me thinking about some future Formula 1 projects of the time......

As I doubt I will post before 2021 is done, If you will just bare with me I just want to say.

I spent a good few years just doing statics and taking ideas from a top bunch of blokes
on an open wheel modelling forum. I learnt so much.
It sparked all kinds of ideas and attempts at building
models never produced as kits for my collection.
When I found out about the resin bodies available at 1/32 available through this forum,
I came back regularly and eventually submitted a model after looking at so much content on here
that sparked even more and more ideas. That and the bottle to have a go at doing some models
I would never have previously considered or thought I could ever do.
I do sometimes think it is a shame that I did not do all of this 10 or 15 years ago.
But would I have been able to?
The advances in the material we can now buy to sort out a decent chassis and motor/pinion/cog/axle/tire combo.
The tools available to get the precision parts and pieces done. The paints. The way of producing decals.
Resin casting being something for anyone willing to give it a go rather than a few specialists.
3d printing coming to the fore. Brilliant isn't it?
But do still very much admire the handcrafted resin shells that allow for mods.
Fascinating reading every time.
I mean an actual four wheel drive Lotus 63! The Porsches. The Beetles. That Indycar Dallara.

It all comes from passion. We all have this passion for this slot car thing
and go on and express it in such great diverse ways.
But what I find so cool is that I can learn and apply myself to trying things
because of what I see on this part of the forum. And strive to match some of the excellence I see.
This forum and the other one. I call it cross 'threading' (groan!).

If someone takes one thing I might do or mention and it sparks an idea
or a step in helping them create something they have a passion for themselves then all the better.

I think forum member Frederic touched on something similar in his own thread.

I have so much more to learn about chassis set ups and truing tires and digital systems etc
but for now the cosmetic is where I am focused and will continue to look and learn. Avidly.

Get off me soap box now.

Do keep well and stay safe. And thanks.

Joe
Get well soon Joe, and thanks for the insight.

Looking forward to seeing this beauty in all its glory :)
 

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With apologies for possibly using terms that are probably not entirely accurate.

Given I jump between 'two worlds' I ended up distinguishing in my own head
a slot car from a regular scale model.
'Static' (scale model) would not have come up
had I not gotten involved in working on the 'dynamic' (slot car).
Guess I should just refer to them as either model or slot car model!

That Open wheel modelling forum covers for the most part anything to do with F1 and Indycars,
but there are sections for Sports and GT cars as well.
Like this forum it has its highly skilled builders and specialist producers of resin model kits.
F1, Indycar and F5000 models available mainly at 1/25th and 1/43rd scale.
Think it was started in the USA and has its fair share of Indycar material
which what attracted me to it in the first place.
Like this forum the depth of knowledge is vast and they are so generous with their help.
Home | Open Wheel Racing Modeling (proboards.com)
(hope it is OK to post a link to another forum on here).

I have posted the odd slot car on that site which is not their regular subject matter,
but did it because what I am doing now comes from the inspiration and resource
taken from both that forum and then this one.
 

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Gracias GDSLOT y Quatrozero por vuestra explicación. Es lo que pensaba, pero me despistaba por la expresión "Ruedas abiertas" y no utilizar por ejemplo "monoplazas" o directamente F1, Indy, F5000, etc.

Thanks GDSLOT and Quatrozero for your explanation. It is what I thought, but I was confused by the expression "Open wheels" and not using, for example, "single-seaters" or directly F1, Indy, F5000, etc.

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Hey there.

Hope it is a good festive season for you all.

Got round to completing this on Christmas Eve.

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For something that was put together without any scale plans I am happy with it.
Have discovered allot more about how the tolerances involved working with styrene at certain thicknesses.
And that may well come in very handy as Santa was very kind and left a Cricut machine under the tree!
My first question was how thick a sheet of styrene will it cut through....

Take a break from these now. Back to work tomorrow and a few other things to sort out whilst I ponder
whether or not to add to this particular race line up. Just got to decal up the Chaparral in 1979 livery.

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