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Inspired by the estimable John P I set out to make myself a Vac Forming machine, something I'd fancied for years. I remember cloning a Riko Ford GT as a kid using a biscuit tin and Mum's vacuum cleaner, but the details were hazy- in my mind and on the shell... I decided now was the time to do it properly. It turned out to be surprisingly straightforward to do. I'd encourage anyone who has even half an urge to make vac copies of favourite shells, die casts, home-mades, replacement clear parts, lightweight interiors, etc etc to do it- it's great fun when the hot lexan hits the mould with a big WHOP! Instant results! Great gadget- the kids love it too. It's been taken over for Art projects- I'll have to build another.

The heart of it is a simple box, made of 12mm MDF, with a hole in one end for the hose of your ordinary common-or-garden vacuum cleaner. The top is a piece of 4mm MDF drilled with a bunch of 3mm holes. Everything is glued and screwed for airtight joints, but you could smother it with sealing caulk. Didn't seem necessary though.



Make the box as small as poss for better vacuum, i.e. not much deeper than the connection you need for the vacuum cleaner hose. Mine is 6 1/2" X 9 1/2", which accommodates a 1/32 shell easily, and makes most economic use of the large polycarbonate sheet I can get from my local art shop.

The frame for the lexan is made from some 1/2" aluminium angle stock I got from Folkestone Engineering Supplies (Very helpful people!). This I bent and soldered into a flat rectangular frame, having some useful aluminium solder, but it could be bolted together. The frame is then hinged to the opposite end of the box to the vac connection with some DIY brass hinges. All it needs then is a length of rubber draught excluder strip glued to the upper edges of the box to make an airtight seal with the frame.



OK- Here we have a mould sitting on the tpo of the box ready to go. It's raised up slightly with a scrap bit of 16 swg brass from the chassis building box to allow a bit of roll-under. The lexan (not actually in place here) is clipped to the ali frame with these bulldog clips (available from Raymans). I did initially experience one or two disastrous slippages- the vacuum is VERY strong-, but some coarse sandpaper glued inside the jaws of the clips as grippers has held everything firm since then. A spare piece of the ali angle clamped at the far end holds the fourth side of the lexan in place- I can't get the clips on there because of the hinges. Ideally a second ali frame that clips in place would be a better solution- I'll get around to it one day. Anyway....



This is where the fun starts. With the lexan firmly clipped in place, the whole frame swings over a hot plate. It's set at 2 1/2 on the dial- no idea what it means, but it goes up to 3. Max is too hot- it scorches the lexan. 2 1/2 gets easily hot enough and is controllable. I just had to experiment a few times to find the right setting. With the vacuum cleaner switched on, wait until the lexan sags evenly- it starts to wrinkle and shimmer at first, but it's ready to mould when it goes smooth. Judge your moment and swing the frame over onto the mould and WHOP!
You have a home-made Lexan shell! Brilliant!



I have to admit these photos are dummies- I can't take snaps as I go- not enough hands. So there you see an earlier pull of 'X-Box', one of my Thingie bodies, popped back over the plaster of paris mould, just as a demo. The lexan has already been trimmed, but you get the idea, don't you? I started with a balsa mould, but the vacuum and heat was too strong. The detail on the balsa got crushed and the sanding sealer I used to fill the grain seemed to like the hot lexan much better than the balsa. So I simply filled one of the vac forms with plaster, tidied it up again, and used that as the mould. Works a treat. A few 1.5mm holes are needed in the mould to draw the lexan down to any deeply cut features of the mould, but as long as they're discreetly placed they don't show on the finished shell...



There you go, Ace. Deeply satisfying and dead easy! If you havn't tried it... do! It opens up whole new possibilities of cheap shells- cheaper and more fun than messy resin and expensive silicon, anyway. And I bet you blokes out there have got some neat tricks that I need to catch up on for the Howmet Turbine-power Vac Forming Machine...Mk2.

Happy Christmas folks.
 

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Most exellent! I have been looking into bought ones recently but they are either no n existant/too big or too expensive.

I will definately add this to the 'give it a go' list.

So did you manage to source some lexan Howmet?
 

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Thanks John, really helpful information.

If you were just wanting to form a small windscreen would you stick it in the corner of the vac-former while you did a shell or could you heat and drop a small piece of Lexan over the windscreen mould on it's own - does that make sense?

David
 

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Hi guys,

I too have created a similar machine, and I'll post details later, but it does exactly the same thing..
To answer David, the thing is, the general Vacuum machine has a tremedous suck when the clear lexan seals all the holes.. Mine sounds like it's about to explode...


I found when trying to replicate a Windscreen or plastic item, like a Lexan interior, if the item you're moulding over is not well supported under it, then there's a fair chance the suction pressure will crack or break it.. Seriously..

So, for a Windscreen, the ENTIRE Windscreen needs to be prestic or stuck onto something that's the same shape, and is slight raised off the vacforming Bed. If you lay just the Windscreen on the flat bed, and suck down over it, I reckon it will crack or snap in half..

I'll post some pics later tonight.

Nice Hinge system by the way John.

Regards

Big Al
 

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If the screen mould fits you can do it with a shell. You can do it on its own as well without too much waste because you can re-use the rest of the lexan- the little dimples from the holes in the platen melt out when you heat it again. But usually I do screens with a simple push-former, no need for vacuum unless it's a very complex shape. The best way would be to save up a bunch of smaller mouldings to do all at the same time.
 

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Hi Big Al...
Crossed posts there! I'd love to see your set-up. Good point about the screens- I was sort of assuming that we were talking about home-made solid bucks, but dead right- an unsupported plastic piece would just shatter, I'm sure. My vac has a little vent on the hose so that you can reduce the pressure, which is useful. I found when I was sucking really thin plastic (for those 'superleggera' racing one-offs) it sucked right through the holes in the platen and blew out the vacuum. So now I know to use less 'suck'.
I took the dust bag out of the cleaner, by the way, thinking that it would increase the pressure. Not totally necessary. But amusing results when Mrs Howmet decided to do the carpets the other day.
And to be honest, MAF- I say 'lexan' cos it's quicker to type, but I'm not altogether sure what it is. I found an art shop in Kingston (not too far from me) (Surrey, that is, not Jamaica) that had large sheets of 0.5mm at £5 a pop- the only suitable stuff I could find in the end, despite lnog lonely nights on Google. It looks and behaves like lexan. You don't have to dry it out in an oven before moulding- a problem I encountered with a previous supply. It all came out with little moisture bubbles all over the shells before I remembered.
The thinner stuff is 0.2mm, which makes real feather weight shells, but I don't know how they'll stand up to racing conditions yet......
I can get you the address if you need it MAF, but there must be better ways!
 

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Howmet (and the estimable JP
), very nicely done. It's another of those "get around to it" projects for me, but this will prove useful when I finally do!
I really like the hinged frame - it is much simpler than some other systems I've seen. Must admit though... I was a bit shocked to see that the holes in the platen were not symmetrical and perfectly aligned in typical Howmet style!


Here's a link to a jumbo version - might be inspiration in some ways to others wanting to build one. Or... BJ might be able to get that life-size replica of Fergy he seems to want so much.
 

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Hi John,

No prob, didn't mean to interfere with your thread, but I think more people would be interested in these things to help them with their own projects..

Mine is MUCH more simpler, perhaps, I don't know, it's just what was left on the table after I lost focus and my hands moved around abruptly for a few hours...



Mine is made from a small plastic, flat tool thingie, I just decided to go cheap, incase my thing didn't work too well.
I used PCB for the "table" and stuck the whole thing together with Pattex Contact and Resin to make it all airtight. I then mounted a round plastic pipe in the side, which the vacuum attaches to. Then stuck down some thin Ployerosomething sponge rubber around the side, to "lift" the edge of the vacformer, so that an airtight suction os created.

I then made a wooden frame, which I take apart and mount the A4 Lexan/clear stuff. I found mine at a local Stationer, it's the stuff you find on the outside of Files, or for presentations that you'd draw on with an overhead projector..

I have to put mine in the oven for a few minutes, then the polycarbonate (I think) warms up, and droooops in the middle, then I whip it out and press it down over the entire Vacformer Table and simultaneously hit the vaccum switch.. Bingo...
(That's reside from the last sheet I cut out the frame..



This one shows a 1/32 body, giving the idea of how big it is.. I've used mine to do things like Lexan interiors, one or two windows etc, and I've tried a body or two, but I get "creases" around the corners of the bodies.. And I prefer hard plastic bodies anyway..

But hopefully other people will get an idea of how simple these really can be..

Regards

Big Al
 

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If you get creases Al, I think you have to heat up the plastic a little more and possibly raise the mould up off the platten a little. Well, that's been my experience.
Funny things do happen which don't have an obvious solution!
 

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GREAT topic. I think anyone can learn from this one. I really like the foldable top that goes over the hot plate.

I decided to do mine on the easy side. I use the normal oven in the house and place two blocks of wood in there at 350F. My PTEG has no smell in case you are worried. I purchase it in 4x8 foot sheets for $18 at a local plastic company and I then cut that down to an 9x11" sheet.

I use a frame of wood with the PTEG sandwiched inbetween, place the edges of this on the two blocks to keep everything off the rack, and heat the PTEG until it sags about 1 inch below the frame.

I pull it out, hit the switch on my shop vac and place the frame on the vac table. I pull .030 PTEG plastic for my windscreens with this unit. I mold the original master window in silicone and when done pour resin from that tp use as a buck for the windscreen. I can pop out 6 windscreens in one shot. I have not molded any bodies yet.

I use cheap, adhesive weatherstripping as the seal from the frame to the box. I've also added smaller holes between the larger ones. I think this entire thing took about 45 minutes to make, and it works great. BTW, if you've never done this and are scared, I've NEVER done anything like this until I built this box. It's really that easy.

I spent only about $10 on lumber for my box:







Hope that was clear enough!
 

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Thanks for that site, Mick. The plastic sheet looks a little on the pricey side, but I definitely want to make one of those pop guns!
And I admire the way you took the trouble to line up the holes in the platten, Dreinecke! Much more professional looking than mine...
 
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