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Are you an unruly slot car racer?
Rules, what are they?15.00%
I set my own rules and ignore everybody elses!15.00%
Yes, if I can get away with it!15.00%
I like bending rules but not breaking them.1155.00%
No, I stay within the rules but I know people who don\'t!525.00%
I always loose so I must be staying within the rules!15.00%
 

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Lets have an outing session and find out who are the rule breakers/rule benders and who are the rule breaking victims at Slotforum!


It is said that rule bending is endemic among Slotforum members.

We will now find out!

Of course as I don't expect slot car racers to admit to rule bending/rule breaking I would expect the poll to be weighted towards the "rule abiding" answers!



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If the rules have a loophole in them, then exploiting that loophole is NOT rule breaking, merely bending
However, usually I'm too dumb to spot such a loophole, even if it is the size of Africa!!

Maybe it's just me, but someone who exploits loopholes usually does so with such a clever idea, that they earn my respect and admiration for thinking of it in the first place.

The 1:1 motorsport guys are always looking for loopholes to gain an advantage are they not?


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Is the rule you are refering to the 6 or 12inch variety.

I once broke a 12inch shatterproof plastic rule when trying to bend it to make a loop hole .

Does this count ?
 
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HI all,

I'm always looking to have the upper hand, so I had to vote rule bending citizen!


There is a loop hole in the carrera race rules, but I dont reakon my idea works so I changed it back. Yes that's right, I will be at Bolton ready to have a go.

God knows what Inte's upto now with his car.. last time I saw it it looked like it would cause a stir... he was on about rewiring something?

Moped, will we be seeing you there? I assume that you will be running a stock car without any tweeks, as that is blatently cheating.

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Do you realise that the way the above are worded I cannot tick one of them?

I play by the rules and my results are mixed, the occasional win but often 3rd or 4th, sometimes last. The taking part is what it really is about, but constantly trying to improve and share ideas with fellow enthusiasts in a cracking social environment. There is no category above for the guy who obeys the rules, has mixed results and just enjoys the hobby.

The addition of a category... `I obey the rules and enjoy my racing`, may well prove to be the most popular. Having said that complete rules are usualy only required at clubs so I would be interested to see how the home racer views all this? Probably put off club racing as I was for years maybe?
 

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If thats what club racing's all about ie breaking rules/bending rules i think ill give it a miss !!!!!!

I genuinely thought slot car club racing was supposed to be fun and a group of like minded folk getting together socially as well as for a few hours fun racing each other ???
I might have to start my own club "The Honest Slot Car Racing Gentlemans Club" serving tea and biscuits at half time and the only rule being to wave faster drivers past through as they wave faster players through in golf !!!
because its the done thing !!!
Personally the only rule i break and have done for years is to go to the pub on a friday night <its the missus's rule> !!!
Better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission !!!
 

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QUOTE Do you realise that the way the above are worded I cannot tick one of them?
With your vast membership etc, it's hard to believe that this one wouldn't cover it.
QUOTE No, I stay within the rules but I know people who don\'t!
In the interest of diplomacy and peace I guess it might be wise to avoid this one though!


In response to Difflock,
imho, finding a loop hole definitely isn't rule breaking, but I would suggest that most loop holes are genuine oversights and making use of them doesn't constitute rule bending either. There are often gray areas of course - that's when it gets . . . 'interesting'!
 

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Well I must admit that with my limited experiance of club racing it had not occurred to me that there are actually folk who turn up just for a good time and who are not too bothered about their race position!

Maybe I have been visiting the wrong clubs or visiting the right clubs at the wrong time?


The impression I get is that folk have a winning attitude, but they may not win.

I see this same attitude in racers of all ages from 6 to 60.

However, I would agree with Jonny that home racers may be put off by club rules from visiting clubs as club racers do certainly have a different approach to home racers when it comes to rules!



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I wonder if as much time was spent practising as complaining about rules and regulations, those people would find themselves winning races!

On a more serious note, I think it must be observed that some people will win more races than others, whatever rules you have. Box standard does not help - cars vary and the person who can buy 30 of the same car and find the quickest box car will have an advantage over people who can only buy one of it. Some people will have more knowledge, and know that this livery included a minor spec increase etc.

And with club provided cars running on fixed lanes, each driver driving one car - face it: some drivers are better than others and win lots.

To have newbies and skill-challenged drivers winning regularly, the only solution would be to have 'leagues' or 'divisions' so better drivers/cars/cheaters whatever (basically people with similar lap times, however so achieved) raced together. But that requires a club with massive membership.
 

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Hmm- as in any poll the questions should be "why is there a poll?" and "what does that pollster wish to use the results to prove?"

The addition of Jonny's category would I surmise be by far the most popular choice, but maybe that isn't the result wanted.

I would guess by previous two threads started (and now abandoned as the consensus is not going the way it was intended) that the inference is that those who do not follow the "out of box and on to track as raced at home" rule, are doing something wrong.

The category "I don't win because I'm no good" would be the one I would put my name against -even when I bend the rules !
 

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Meco I reckon my point is a valid one. There is no category for the racer who obeys the rules and has mixed/average results. I take your point about attitudes throughout the Phoenix membership,although I can`t speak for them all. We scrutineer before racing on a Thursday and what that has shown up so far is a couple of genuine mistakes,axles too wide or some part missing. I don`t think anyone wants to risk the mickey take of being caught cheating so with that in mind,scrutineering by a team and simple rules, we don`t have problems.
 

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oh - lots of new stuff while I was writing my last post!

mainly a home racer, but the appeal of clubs to me is definitely the fun so far. Enjoyed the pheonix event earlier this year, cos I cud full throttle my car for the firstr time, and race on a giant sceneried layout, and race with 5 other people at a time.

I guess I would have been dissappointed if I had come last all the time, but pleased to say I didnt, and the other thrill was to see how my home tuning compared to that of other racers/tuners.
 

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QUOTE The category "I don't win because I'm no good" would be the one I would put my name against -even when I bend the rules !

Surely that is perfectly covered by the "rule bending" answer.

Just because you do any of the above does not automatically guarantee you first place does it?


And I also agree with Mecoprop in believing that Jonny knows a few "rule benders" but is too diplomatic to admit to that!



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QUOTE (kevin hunter @ 7 May 2004, 11:32)If thats what club racing's all about ie breaking rules/bending rules i think ill give it a miss !!!!!!

I genuinely thought slot car club racing was supposed to be fun and a group of like minded folk getting together socially as well as for a few hours fun racing each other ???
I might have to start my own club "The Honest Slot Car Racing Gentlemans Club" serving tea and biscuits at half time and the only rule being to wave faster drivers past through as they wave faster players through in golf !!!
because its the done thing !!!
Personally the only rule i break and have done for years is to go to the pub on a friday night <its the missus's rule> !!!
Better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission !!!
Kevin,
I too enjoy the social aspect, but that wasn't exactly what the poll was asking about. I rarely win, even though I do have a couple of cars which can be competitive,but I do love a good race - a close dice whether you're at the back, or even leading is great.

As I said I enjoy the social aspect, after all, I was going to go to Pendle (Tuesday just gone) with the attitude of getting my controller box finished. No racing, just marshalling occasionally and soldering. However, I was persuaded to race
using a club controller (nowt wrong with that) so the box only got finished last night.


Mark.

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Diplomat! Me? You are having a giggle. My attitude is that everyone is a cheating `wazzer` and would break any rule to get a nano second advantage only to end up in the barriers on turn one!


My personal view (as stated) is that I cannot be bothered bending rules as I long grew out of that daft idea and the thought of being captured is too much!. I obey the rules because I don`t cheat and even if I did I still wouldn`t win. Better to channel your efforts into practise as Astro indicated.

At our club, the vast majority know they will lose. No big deal. Therefore in a good club,with solid members people are there for secondary reasons. That has to be logical? In my experience at our club it`s about having a laugh and sharing a common interest, having a night out or taking part with your kids or playing with toy cars or just nattering about slot cars and laughing at what Richie has spent this week (and his Mrs. don`t know yet!).

We should try and resist genearalising I suppose but running a club is very different to taking part in one and I still haven`t ticked any of the above!
 

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I change my plea M'lud:

"I adapt my cars to my own interpretation of the rules until found out".

Then the discussion is to whether I am rule - breaking or rule-bending - usually directly proportional to the width of the axle or the number of magnets or the number of classes I can run my Corvette in !!
 

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The reply i gave was slightly tongue in cheek as lets be honest wherever there are rules someones going to either try and bend or break them. Just a sad fact of life im afraid even tho as Mecoprop has rightly stated that most loopholes are genuine oversights yet those who take advantage of loopholes still understand the spirit of the rule and what the regulation maker is trying to do.
Like every other sport/hobby the cheater is ultimately only cheating himself as only he knows that he wouldnt have got where he did without bending breaking or cheating on a rule!!
Although as we all know cheaters do sometimes prosper

I totally agree with jonny about the spirit of a club and lets be honest most of these people are your mates and anyone who cheats their mates ?? well dont even go there !!
Better to loose trying gainfully than win by bending breaking an cheating in my book !!
But the again Mark maybe im just too nice !!!!!
 

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QUOTE I change my plea M'lud:

"I adapt my cars to my own interpretation of the rules until found out".

Then the discussion is to whether I am rule - breaking or rule-bending - usually directly proportional to the width of the axle or the number of magnets or the number of classes I can run my Corvette in !!

Now would that be the Corvette that you now run in the non-magnet '60's LM class and where you previously ran an MRRC Cobra?
You remember the Cobra, the one that was so dominant in the non-magnet class and where the internal "weight" could hold a 6" screwdriver against the underside of the chassis!!!!


Now, about that change of plea?


QUOTE You are always a winner if you are having a good time
Absolutely, especially when its accompanied with the give and take of a bit of banter!
 
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