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I think AW magnets vary in strength but have no way of measuring them.
I believe Dash magnets are for T-Jets and are smaller than AFX magnets, you can get polymer AFX magnets but they're not AVHORA legal, altough junior racers can use them but aren't included in the AVHORA championship.
I think next thing on my shopping list will have to be a gauss meter
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The Dash mags are T-jet mags and so are a few mills shorter. They would need shimming. Don't know if that's in the rules or not?

I've read that the AW mags are reliably consistent. But as they are ceramic mags it depends on their age, how they are stored etc.

Are you sure they are AW X-traction and not AW Thunderjet 500 mags? The latter will be shorter and so slightly weaker.

Is it a big difference in strength?
QUOTE (woodcote @ 5 Jan 2012, 16:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Are you sure they are AW X-traction and not AW Thunderjet 500 mags? The latter will be shorter and so slightly weaker.

Is it a big difference in strength?

Definitely X Traction, I took them out of an X Traction chassis
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QUOTE (woodcote @ 5 Jan 2012, 16:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The Dash mags are T-jet mags and so are a few mills shorter. They would need shimming. Don't know if that's in the rules or not?

It's not in AVHORA rules.

I thought the curve of T-Jet magnets mean they don't fit in the AFX cars, but I haven't tried that hard.
Fitted them into a MT chassis and gave it a spin around the CHORC track last night, and then my normal race car, there was no comparison


Here's a thought, although unlikely, I don't suppose the magnets are stronger in the 4 gear chassis and the Ultra G. I think it was magnets from an Ultra G that I used but I'm not sure.
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It's possible, I also think ultra Gs and 4 gears have been around for less time than the X-Traction so the magnets may just be newer.
Something that just came up in testing with the Magnatraction chassis, is not to run the front too low, the underside will bottom out too easily and unsettle it, as there is no magnet to pull it down to the track, definately need to have a ground clearance with these chassis!
QUOTE (slowracer @ 15 Jan 2012, 08:51) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Something that just came up in testing with the Magnatraction chassis, is not to run the front too low, the underside will bottom out too easily and unsettle it, as there is no magnet to pull it down to the track, definately need to have a ground clearance with these chassis!

I have my front as low as I can get it and the back jacked up quite high
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QUOTE (pasiro @ 15 Jan 2012, 08:54) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have my front as low as I can get it and the back jacked up quite high


I've just tried measuring the tyres but it isn't easy as the fronts are somewhere between the front wheel sizes and rear wheel sizes on the tyre gauge, and the rears are too big for any of the holes


I pretty good guestimate would be around .390 Front and about .480 rear
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QUOTE (pasiro @ 16 Jan 2012, 01:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I've just tried measuring the tyres but it isn't easy as the fronts are somewhere between the front wheel sizes and rear wheel sizes on the tyre gauge, and the rears are too big for any of the holes


I pretty good guestimate would be around .390 Front and about .480 rear


Mine are 385 front and 454 - 460 rear depends on the chassis
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QUOTE (slowracer @ 16 Jan 2012, 11:30) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Mine are 385 front and 454 - 460 rear depends on the chassis

Wish I could find some that smaller for the front
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G+ front tyres, not the smallest ones, with the centre ribbed wheel made for the Magnatraction chassis for wide tyres.
My principal G+ set-up is, lowest possible G+ tyres on standard rims, tyco rear rims with .418-.426 depends on the chassis and motor strengths!
QUOTE (slowracer @ 18 Jan 2012, 13:30) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>My principal G+ set-up is, lowest possible G+ tyres on standard rims, tyco rear rims with .418-.426 depends on the chassis and motor strengths!

G Plus for me has been lowest fronts I can find for standard rims and PVT 10's on the rear on standard rims
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QUOTE (pasiro @ 6 Jan 2012, 13:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't suppose the magnets are stronger in the 4 gear chassis and the Ultra G

OK I got another UG and 4G today, at first glance the magnets don't seem any stronger but I have a couple of ideas


On my normal race car the white magnet is at the front but on the two I've prepped ready for testing it's at the rear, not sure if this makes a difference or not as it just looks like they're painted wrong the polarity is the same on all three.

I've now fitted the wider AW pickups on the other two and my theory is this, not only is there more area to touch the track but there's more area near to the front magnets, in essence they act like a flux collector, a bigger flux collector than you'd get just using the narrow pickups, a bigger area for the magnetic pull to pass though!

Whether this is true or not I don't know, all I know is this; I can't get the grip from any other car than I can with the original that won the pancake cup and xmas do and that is the only car I've run wide pickups on so far. Maybe I just got lucky with the magnets, or maybe it is the pickups!

More testing needed
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A couple of years ago US racer Paul Shoemaker did a great article on SCI called 'Tuning the Pancake' - mostly looking at T-jets.

He has just posted up a follow-up on his website and it looks at what you can do with a Magnatraction / X-traction. Some great tips in there to get the most out of every part of the car.
Excellent find, that looks very useful!
A good article - thanks Andy
An interesting read for sure. Are all the things he shows to do legal at AVHORA?

cheers
Paul
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