[compound_goose]

ok, at our club the f1 class has just turned into destruction derby, you need a new car every 3 weeks, a complete rebuild every week... now the ninco cars arent causing many problems.. the odd crash here and there, but any scalex models no matter what is done to them theyre just so un predictable they are considering banning scalextric cars.. i can see why, because i have one of the offending f1 cars, but if it does go off pieces go everywhere ive had the car for 3 weeks now the body is completely destroyed, and im on my 3rd chassis. so the question remains: should the scalex cars be banned or not? id like to hear the opinions of other people

 

[Doug]

Shift key... It's there down on the lower left of your keyboard, used in conjuction with the other alpha-numerics to produce captiatls.

I inserted "F1" into the title as I'm sure we'll have a string of complaints from the other camp otherwise

 

[moped rider]

Do you run with or without magnets and does the club have Ninco track and what type of controllers are used and what is the age profile of the club members?

If you say the Scalextric cars are uncontrollable then clearly something is wrong as they seem perfectly controllable so let us discuss what needs to be done to give you a better experiance with Scalextric F1 cars.

Clearly Ninco cars are designed for Ninco track and if you run Scalextric cars with magnets on Ninco track I can tell you exactly what the issue is but nobody here believes it!

Ninco track flexes and sags and on the corners that provides for very uneven control with a heavy magnet and you get a variable downforce which does not help with control at all.

Also you will require a lower ohm rating in your controller if you are running Scalextric magnet cars compared to Ninco.

And you may need a different type of tyre compound for Ninco track if you are using Scalextric cars.

Another option is to reduce the downforce by putting Ninco type magnets in the Scalextric cars.

If you were running on SPORT track you would not have to do any of these car modifications but it would probably still help to run a 30 ohm or a 45 ohm controller.

Moped

EDIT and on this Ninco track sagging/waviness/uneveness thing it is something that Slotforum member Intergrale acknowledges does happen as we have had private discusions about the issue, so don't say that it does not please. There is simply not enough reinforcement ribbing underneath for heavy magnet cars taking into account the plastic compound used and the thickness of plastic used. It is something that Ninco need to look at if they are thinking of entering the heavy magnet digital world.

 

[JohnP]

I can see why people might not want to race them but to ban them? Why?

If you've ever raced 1/10th off-road r/c breakages and such things take on a new perspective!

 

[uksqueezea]

Best way to protect your F1 cars:
Lesson 1:.. get way quick , build a gap, hold it, win the race, rub everyone else nose in it.

Lesson 2: Do it every time. Display trophies for all to see.

Lesson 3: Practice alot before attemtpting 1 & 2. Its rough back in the pack.

 

[JohnP]

QUOTE Lesson 1:.. get way quick , build a gap, hold it, win the race, rub everyone else nose in it.

Lesson 2: Do it every time. Display trophies for all to see.

Yes, but there's no Ferrari in Scaley's current F1 line up

 

[moped rider]

Paint your car red!

Moped

 

[uksqueezea]

QUOTE slot car racing is not about who could get their car the fastest

No more of this talk please.!

Seriously, he's right. Its tough back in the pack. If you want advice on how to win, then being waaaayy quick is always good. But say for instance, you get innocently nerfed off at the first corner. Take a deep breath, re-focus and quickly get back into your rythmn, again with the waaaaay quick, but, and its a big but.., DONT TRY AND SMASH YOUR WAY BACK INTO THE LEAD. Sneak through, listen for accidents, if you hear one, button slightly back until safe , again with the waaaaaaaay quick and consistancy will get you back up through to the top.

..and never, ever beat the owner of the track' best lap time.

Especially on your first visit while your on your warm up lap!

 

[Wankel Ickx]

Margate Missiles.

No apologies, these F1 cars of theirs are not up to the job. Hornby have built a rod for their own backs by sticking them down sooooo much that when they do let go, regardless of the track you are using, they will disintergrate when they reach the scene of the accident.

I can't remember who it was at our club who proudly brought down the very first of this new breed a few years ago now but I do recall it lasted no more than three or four laps before totally trashing its nose cone at the end of the straight. Sure, it looked mighty fine tanking down to that corner but it got lose and consigned itself to the parts bin in one fell swoop. It broke the fixings, see.

Whilst magnet free SCX F1 racing is VERY popular with our lot there are no cries to race Scalextric.

I can understand the move to stop running them at your club, Squeezy: just too expensive. Here's a tip, get some SCX cars, take the mugnuts out of 'em and put some hairs on your chest balancing those tail out slides!

 

[moped rider]

But what if you go to a club where you race with magnets and the local stockist sells more Scaley cars than anything else?

That may be the position that compound goose is in.

I have taken the intitial message to mean that the cars are uncontrollable and that this is the root cause of the issue, not racing in a very close pack.

Maybe I have read it wrong.

Moped

 

[LMP]

Mag F1 has been scrapped at Phoenix due to the reasons above. I think iys sensible really. Plus, poor Jon ahs to provide club cars.

Its actually a shame IMO. Modern F1 should be run with mags. Not particularly fun to drive, I'll grant. But at least it resembles 1:1. How many times do you see Schumey drifting round the parabolica?

Older F1, however (we'll say pre 1990) is great non mag. Fun to drive, more realisitic.

Maybe you should either convert, or race crash and burn. That'd put people of flooring it through the corners.

 

[cruizbz]

I have 4 SCX F1 cars, my friends are very rough on them and they have held up very well. Most damage is the just the front suspension, and then only the kingpin pops out of the upright for the steering. They pop right back in, but sometimes are hard to see with old eyes. The other problem was losing a front wing as they are clipped onto the struts. A little glue has stopped that. The guys really like the F1 cars and since they are not theirs race to win at all costs. My only experience with Scaly F1 cars are the new classic 1957 models. I am off to the Chicago hobby show this morning and Scalextric/hornby is to be there. I may reconsider buying any of their F1 cars after reading this post.

 

[CoolScientist]

Actually, the Scaly F1's are quite true to life.... If Scalextrics have got one thing right, Have you seen an F! car go into an accident and come out in 1 piece... very rare, its true, but Scaley have got it spot on.....

The price of the new F1's is a direct comparisom to real F1 prices....

Having seen them, and raced against them, I would never buy one. Im sticking with my scaley Jordan. Admittedly, Im running a widened back axle, modifyed front wing - 3mm cut from the wing posts, Metro front tyres, origional tyres on the rear. Metal bearings on the rear. No magnet but runs 3 grams of lead weight infront og the motor. Front chasiss screw is not fitted, allowing the body to move, and allowing some bounce in the chassis, over the guide (gives a sprung guide effect). Mabouchi motor, from a single seater (15 year old motor). The car has suffered broken front wishbones (glued several times), broken rear axle mounting posts (glued several times) tampo printing comes of every race, and is almost dissapeared. The car has "flown" further than the Euro fighter, having departed the track and struck a marshall, and landed in the sink in the kitchen with all the washing up, and I would still say its as quick as any other F1 car Ive had or seen.

I do and have owned various other manufacturer F1's, and still found this car to be the best of them all...

Its fun to drive, but you need to get out in front. The widened rear axle produces total frustration in the pack, and leads to loads of "offs". Th cars are exceptioanlly light, and the slightest touch of rubber on rubber, they are going to "fly".

Im in agreement with JohnP on his set of rules.

Happy Mootoring

CoolS

 

[LMP]

By the way, I'd like to point out that Mopeds experience has provided an inaccurate generelistation of scaly/ninco performance.

Scaley F1 run fine on ninco. Just frightningly fast.

And whats this about control? Its got a magnet in. That controlls it, nothing else. Just point and fire.

I'll accept that these are my experiences only. But you must too Moped, you just apply your experience as a generic standard and everything else is exactly how you think. Doesn't work like that, I'm afraid.

 

[alfetta]

This may sound rude, it isn't intended. But the answer lies in learning to drive. I find that F1 is far more difficult to drive than say GT or saloons. You simply have to drive whithin the limitations of both self and the cars. If Scalex cars don't do the business, then surely the obvious answer is don't use 'em.

Alfetta

 

[compound_goose]

ok then lets get a few things straight here:

the track is 6 lane routed, surface is some sort of painted on rubber

the cars are allowed any additional parts, as long as the body and chassis are not modified e.g keyholing the body for a bigger crown

controleers, ive tried a 25 parme eco a 35 parma eco a 45 parma turbo and a 60 parma trurbo

the answer is indeed not to use them, but its all i had at the time, placings with my car : 5 6 5 6 4 6

with someone elses car: 3 3 3

but as they are cheap people are using them thats why theyre going to be banned, as they cause so many acctidnts when bits fly off them specificly on the IRL (yes i did indeed locate the shift key

)

so do you think they should be banned or not...
should the continue to race even though they cause so many problems to other people?

 

[alfetta]

If you are going to ban anything BAN the silly S-d that is causing the grief.
Alfetta

 

[Tropi]

Ranting and railing against Ninco track really was rather rash and silly, wasn't it.

Alfetta
QUOTE This may sound rude, it isn't intended. But the answer lies in learning to drive.
That IS the bottom line!
The real reason that you rarely see full-size F1s slithering around is because they are driven by people who can drive superbly well. The same principle applies to to any track racing car, not just F1. When a mistake is made, then they do slither around and a careful observer can see that, right on the limit, even when perfectly driven, these cars DO move laterally - in skilled hands. Of course, there are a lot of people who don't or can't see this and, if they can't se it, then of course, it can't possibly be happening. But it IS.

Having said all that, this is just another reason why, even though I almost always produce my best results with high powered magnetraction cars, in principle, I feel that they are detrimental to slot car racing and the first post bears this out very well. While there will always be a few slot drivers skilled enough to keep a high mag car on ANY track, there will usually be a larger bunch who can't and everyone is vulnerable to the devastation when the ultra high speed smashes occur. Let's face it, F1 is raced by the absolute creme de la creme of skilled racers selected from the entire world, while an average slot car club has combatants who vary wildy from one skill extreme to the other, usually racing on the same track together. It's a very different situation that must be taken into acount.

Magnetic assistance was developed specifically for cars running on relatively tiny home tracks and club racers should seriously consider simply removing them altogether.
It solves so many problems, at a stroke.

 

[McLaren]

No need to censor it. If you break cars when you hit a wall then you clearly aren't good enough to keep it out of the wall. Practise a bit, then when you can keep it on the track then you will notice that it'll stop breaking...

"EDIT and on this Ninco track sagging/waviness/uneveness thing it is something that Slotforum member Intergrale acknowledges does happen as we have had private discusions about the issue, so don't say that it does not please. There is simply not enough reinforcement ribbing underneath for heavy magnet cars taking into account the plastic compound used and the thickness of plastic used. It is something that Ninco need to look at if they are thinking of entering the heavy magnet digital world."

Hmm.. well Hitler and Gerbals agreed that the holocaust was the right thing to do... doesn't mean they were right, does it?

McLaren

 

[moped rider]

To be honest I have not run Scalextric F1 cars on Ninco but I have had experiance with other Scaley cars. In terms of being frighteningly fast might that be down to turning the power up rather than using stock power?

When running Scaley F1 cars maybe the club should turn the power down if there are so many crashes as coop claims until folk get the handle on them?

Surely that would be the solution?

Moped

EDIT this all now seems a bit out of context. Where did all those additional posts suddenly appear from!