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Next years first classes picked last night.

So for the 7th & 21st January and 4th & 18th February we will be mostly racing;

  1. Formula Libre - Anything goes - almost!
  2. Group B Rally - Any make
  3. Rally Raid - Any make
  4. Group C - Any make
  5. Carrera DTM - self explanatory?
  6. 60's F1 - Any make except powersledge models.

Off we go again
 

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Guilty as charged on the second class, Peter.

And as for the fifth one, there's always the possibility it was the same sadist. Who'd had his van fixed!
 

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I had an interesting first night at liphook track (its like starting all over again!!!)


(A clean of the track looks like its way overdue!!!)


I even got beaten by the kids lol


I think kevin might of left at the end of the night and ended up with a possible 3 more points than intended
, the police are always around when you dont want them, but if you do need them you have got no chance
 

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That would be because I didn't announce them!

Here they are.

  1. Hornby GT
  2. Cartrix GP
  3. Daytona Prototype
  4. Hornby LMP
  5. JWRC
  6. 60's Italian Supercars
 

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A couple of questions:

Hornby GT - Jaguar XKR Transam or not?
I hope not.

Daytona Prototypes - is this Sandy's pick? If so, I might have misled him into picking the wrong class. He asked about the Sunred, and I said it was a Daytona Prototype. Although a full size "Sunred" Daytona Prototype exists, I think Sandy was asking about the Fly Sunred SR21, which is a sort of Spanish Daytona Prototype. It is officially a GT1 car.

Karl has told me that JWRC includes Ninco F2 rally cars with NC1 motors, the same as at Manor Farm's forthcoming series.
 

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Hi Jim,

Thanks for posting list. Is JWRC Japanese World Rally class?

And as for Aurelius's Sunred pick - will this cause confusion now that it's been defined as NOT Daytona prototype? And is Cartrix GP make-defined or is this class 50s F1 - does the club have any? (I suspect not, given their price.)

Cheers

Sandy.
 

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Hornby GT was Les' pick, I think he runs a Trans Am Jag, so assume it is them for now.

This Daytona Protoype thing has me confused. I had assumed this was the two ugly cars made by Fly and one similar by Racer. There's a Daytona in Spain now??

Cartrix GP is just for Cartrix cars. There are no club cars available. It was pointed out to the person who picked them that this was a bit specific, especially as they are a £60 retail slotcar. Ironic that the same person then claimed they wouldn't be coming, because they weren't prepared to buy a £25 retail Daytona Prototype.


I'm a bit miffed about it at the moment, and am starting to think it could be the end of the democratically picked classes. Rather than give people the chance to have some input perhaps Tony has the right idea, using the benevolent dictatorship principle!

Either that, or we try to agree
on 49 classes and whatever the lottery numbers are on the night before are what we race on Thursday!
 

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QUOTE (aerodynamic @ 21 Feb 2010, 18:15) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And as for Aurelius's Sunred pick - will this cause confusion now that it's been defined as NOT Daytona prototype?
Just change it to Fly Gt1.

I think the real bugbear is the Cartrix class. I can't see many people being happy with forking out over fifty quid for a car. I bought one, but I've got more money than sense! Maybe there should be rule stating that all classes should have at least one reasonably priced car eligible for it.
 

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Just to muddy the waters a bit more, here is a snippet of information I found on supercars.net

Based off the Hispano-Suiza HS21 concept made in 2002 by Marzel, the SR21 is a dedicated race car. It's manufactured by Sun-Red racing who have been actively campaigning them since 2007 in the International Open GT Championship.
The car is powered by Judd's V12 engine displacing 244 cu. in. (4000cc) which produces 500 bhp. It uses a steel tube frame with a carbon fibre body.
Although the SR21 was designed under GT2 regulations it is only permitted in the International Open GT championship where is has achieved mediocre performance. The SR21 doesn't meet the FIAGT's road-car production requirements.


So, as I said - a sort of Spanish Daytona Prototype?
 

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Basically, Aurelius got a Sunred for Xmas and would like to race it against comparable cars - not against Slot-it's finest or NSRs or even Fly Racers or Ninco pro-Racers - as we like to race our cars. (I agree with Jim the Riley is not one I want on my shelves for aesthetic reasons alone.) We would be happy to change the class to reflect this.

As to the Cartrix cars, I can't find one for less than £35 on the internerd, and that's a Maserati 250F - I don't want another one. I certainly don't want to buy two, especially with the holidays coming up.

Could we do a straw poll? If whoever chose the Cartrix class is not coming, surely the class could be overridden by simple majority, or edited to be 50s GP, which lots of us have or can lend? I'd even be prepared to Araldite my home-made chassis to my Betta and Classic Lancia D50 if we were short of cars!

Geoff said to me last week that he much preferred the non-manufacturer specific classes as otherwise we do end up buying cars we wouldn't otherwise (and thanks, Jim, for lending the Carrera DTMs) and I think I'm coming round to his point of view.

I think that Jim's idea of a list of eligible classes is a good one - the trick is to keep it as simple as possible while covering variations (e.g. the different motors some mfrs supply the same model with - Ninco Ferrari 360s or Gallardos for example).
 

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I've done a bit of research on the interweb and have come up with the following JWRC eligible cars:

SCX Citroen C2
SCX Citroen Saxo
SCX Ford Fiesta
SCX Suzuki Swift

Ninco Fiat Punto
Ninco Citroen Saxo
Ninco Renault Clio (2nd version)?

Sloter Opel Corsa

Power Slot VW Polo

As I read it, NSRs are not eligible for Clios or Grande Puntos because they're based on 2-litre cars.

Please feel free to add/delete
 

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Talking to Karl tonight, he was wanting the JWRC class to mirror the one we have just chosen for Tony's club. Basically it's a combination SS1600/JWRC class with a spec motor allowance of SCX cans or Ninco NC1.

The cars Sandy listed are Ok as long as either of the spec motors can be fitted with available brackets. The later Nincos - Clios, Puntos & Saxos - can have NC1s with adaptors fitted and the earlier Clios, 306s and Meganes are allowed as they come. Then there is also the same Megane and the Ibiza from SCX to add to the list. SCX have never yet produced a Saxo to my knowledge.

The Corsa should fit in with this class, I'll have to check, but I think mine is a sidewinder with a Scalextric/Fly type small Mabuchi, so not sure if it will be able to take an NC1.

The Polo I think has a Boxer NC2/5 type motor so probably can take an NC1 with brackets.
 

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Sorry Jim, getting Saxos and C4s in a twist.

So, for JWRC we can use pre-2001 cars? As for the Cartrix issue what can one say? 'There's nowt so queer as folk!'.

For the Sunred let's go with Fly GT1, excluding Fly Racer/Racing (whatever it's called).
 

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Do you know if Geoff will amend the Cartrix GP? I usually have to buy the odd car for today's classes as I was away for a year or five but the next group would entail an extra Scalex LMP car (£20ish - fine) and two Cartrix GPs (c. £100 - not fine). Given that it's a minimum £15 a visit that would jack it up to £45 a visit! The pips start to squeak. He may not like Sunreds and Rileys, but I don't particularly like 50s Gordinis and Bugattis and Vanwalls and BRMs and Maseratis have been done to death. Any thoughts on this?
 

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Don't buy anything just yet Sandy.

One solution may be to "swap" picks between me and Geoff. I also picked a 50's GP class as I wanted to run my recently acquired Cartrix D50, but I also allowed the recent similar cars from Hornby because I know Kev and Dave already have those and they are available at more reasonable prices for those that don't have one. (Hint - Kev's came from Modelzone for under £20)

As he drew the lowest card he got his first pick and we used my second pick - Hornby LMP. If we change them around there will be no Hornby LMP and Geoff's second choice was "under 2-litre saloons" which will also be easier for the new boys as they have Cortinas and Escorts already.

Let's discuss it next week and see if we can reach a mutually acceptable compromise.
 

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Thanks, Jim. Never reluctant not to buy something! Presume discussion will take place tomorrow on club car night. Look forward to resolution of problems. It's ironic for me that by the time Pressbutton Junior has told me what JWRC means and that I've looked it up and I think I need to acquire a whole lot of new rally cars - funnily enough may get some anyway, they look quite nice - that it turns out we can use some golden oldies - OK, probably leaden oldies in the case of my old SCXs.

It's annoying that I have to dash after sessions to get home otherwise we could have a brief discussion at the time of choosing classes. I wonder if there's some way we could get 'consensus' classes - maybe ask everybody, including moderately frequent attenders, to nominate up to 20 classes they like and then run it through Excel or equivalent to narrow it down a bit (i.e. see what's in the middle of the Bell curve). This could be updated annually or so.

Hopefully see you tomorrow week.
 
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