[dgersh]

Hi,

Samy and I discussed this at the race in early June and we talked last week again about the theme for the vintage race in 2023, organized by the Slot Racing Club de Bordeaux. And the winner is....

The 1000 km of Europe

That means the 4 main 1,000 kilometer races in Europe: Spa, Monza, Nurburgring and Paris.

Dates are from their beginnings to 1968 inclusive.

The Race dates have been set at: June 3 & 4, 2023.

As was pointed out by one of our experts, the early years of Spa were only 500 km - those cars are also eligible.

To check out the cars that ran, there are some books, but not sure how many are still in print. There's also the Racing Sports Car site, which is a good reference. For instance, Nurburgring 1964:

Nürburgring 1000 Kilometres 1964 - Photo Gallery - Racing Sports Cars

Photo Gallery from race Nürburgring 1000 Kilometres 1964 on Racing Sports Cars website

www.racingsportscars.com

Hope to see you there next year!

Don & Samy

 

[Mark50]

Great theme Don! Put me on the list please.
Mark

 

[dgersh]

Thanks Mark - you're already on the list!

If you've raced there already, and we have your email address, you're on the list...

Let's see, Birdcage, 904, 2D, Europa, Maser...

Only about 330 days to 1000 km!

Don

 

[alexis in greece]

"Dates are from their beginnings to 1968 inclusive. "? I assume it is 1958 .There is a chance i can make it this time

 

[dgersh]

No, up to 1968 Alexis, but if you a car from the 50s that's fine of course.

Hope to see you there.

Don

 

[merkit the grof]

Joel

 

[ArJayAytch]

Interesting that we're back to the races' beginnings, not just 1964 as heard as we left Bordeaux this time. Widens an even already large choice. (I'm guilty of asking if the 500km of Spa was included). There's a good book on the Spa races, by Jacques Ubags.

Question is: will M. Thura do a Bam Bam Volvo???

Richard

 

[merkit the grof]

This one?

Probably not


Joel

 

[dgersh]

Ah, too bad, good candidate!

Yes Richard, we later talked about it with Samy and decided to extend the dates to earlier, as we usually do. It does open up some interesting possibilities!

Haven't found any books yet, after a quick search. The specialist bookstore in Paris, Passion Automobile, has one on the 1000 km of Paris, but it's 149 euros, and he said the others were out of print. Will look at the one you mention.

Don

 

[Coides]

I have a book on the Monza 1000km. It's an Italian book and there are a bunch available on EEbay at around £25. It has complete entrants lists, results and around 4 pages of pics per race.

1000km Di Monza Trofeo Filippo Caracciol book | eBay.

Andy

 

[dgersh]

Thanks Andy - what years was the Monza race?

Don

 

[Autoavia]

Wikipedia shows first Monza 1000 kms was 1949. First Spa race and Nurburgring races were1953 and Montlhery was 1956.

 

[dgersh]

Thanks for that info!

Andy, in fact, I was wondering what years the book covered, since I saw a couple books that only started in 1966 for this or another race.

Don

 

[Coides]

The book starts in 1953 with a two-heat 441 km race, then the real thing (1008km in 1954 then every year up till 1992. There's no mention of 1949. Racing Sports Cars refers to the Coppa Inter Europa (May 29, 393 km) won by Sterzi in a Ferrari 166S, which squares with Wikipedia. Judging from all that I'd say that 1954 is the purist choice and 1949 if you want to follow the Spa model.

Andy

 

[Coides]

Oooops! Just noticed an ever-so-tiny 9-year gap of '56-'64 inclusive when the race was shorter and not covered by this book.

The last two of these years ('63-'64) were over 500km and part of the World Sportscar Championship so they should be fine.

Beginning to regret posting in this thread!

Andy

 

[dgersh]

Non, je ne regrette rien - and nor should you Andy. Good information all of that, especially since I'm deciding if I want the book!

Don

 

[Coides]

If you're a Monza 1000k nut then definitely yes, if not then I'd pass. It's not a big book and most of it is 70s-80s - endless Alfa 33, Porsche 936, Lancia silhouttes and Group C Jags and Porsches. I'm a 1970 Monza 1000k nut and I had to have it.

Edith

 

[dgersh]

Thanks Edith, good advice (but I already put in a bid...); who's Edith and what did you do with Andy?

Don

 

[Coides]

Edith Piaf. She didn't regret anything either.

Andy

 

[dgersh]

Nom de dieu, bien sûr !