CANS WITH ATTITUDE - AND STING

Zig, this is a great thread!

Chris, sadly, I have to work EB weekend.

Here is another skewed arm motor, Hemi based (The reason they are not popular in Slots is that smooth starting is of no benefit for us)


My Pink Mura is fitted with the arm in the foreground, I guess I could fit the one in the background.


Now a pointless Mura (I can't see any difference with a standard Mabuchi)


This time, a rewound one, Russkit 23 based (what else?)


?? Motor, ignore the Champion EB, I put that on.


Now a very ambitious home rewind (the centre of the laminations is showing through, but it is still the standard wire)


Anyone knows who made these arms?? Both have silver windings, (The colour marking may be a clue)


Another question: Standard colour wire covered with buff coloured epoxy, who made this??


Finally, as someone else posted a 26D, here is my favorite vintage motor bar none, the very elusive Mabuchi 270S.


Joel

Some comparison "Hemi" shots and a TC32:



Large Hemi / Small Hemi:



and the two large Pactra versions together:



It would be interesting to know what the real difference is in these last two. Visually just looks like different color winds & endbells. The black has no cleaning hole, the red does. Same sticker, same gear, same can.

Years ago I bought 4 of those "Blown" Hemis (in the 1st photo) new in the boxes at a swap meet and they were always very slow and didn't even compare to the stock Hemi. Not sure what the problem is but, really not what they appear to be.

Z

First, Joel, those two arms look like Mura to me... I seem to remember the color combos, and Mura also did just about every combination of wire-wind, etc. ever invented!

The other arm I would say is a home-wind. I used a white epoxy at the time, Devcon, and I think a lot of other guys did too. The first Dyna motors had white epoxy, but much smoother, and they always used the cylindrical balancing holes.

That home rewind with the lams showing might be a dewind, radical style! And one of your motors also has those clips used to close it up once you had broken off the tabs, and were scared of drilling holes!

Thanks for the Hemi lesson Z - must admit I'd never noticed that STrombecker did both blue and red hemis, thought all the blueies were TC32s...

Not sure what the difference is between the two Pactra versions - and they also did a relatively rare 36D Hemi rewind, the Black Streak, with a black endbell...

Don

My first picture posting in a very long time, help!

Think the first is a near copy of a Champion 66 Ferrari RTR.



the underside.



A Black Widow chassis minus a motor, got a feeling it works better this way!





Orange Picker with original box.



A pair of well used Nordic Gold Star motors, affordable rewinds from my youth.

Thanks John, always glad to see you posting!

Nice to see the Nordic motors, since I just picked up a couple well used versions. Were they just rewound, or did they have heavy-duty mags, etc.? I see the can clips made it over to your side of the pond too! How did they run compared to a Champion say? (speaking of which, nice Orange Picker - can I have it? )

You're right, the Black Widow probably runs better with only one motor, but it looks kind of naked like that... Is that your own rewind?

And yes, the Champion Ferrari really looks like an original! I think this was supposed to be about the fastest RTR car of the time, but it also cost something like $19.95, which was many weeks and months of pocket money for us kids... Still, compared to $15 for a Manta Ray, not that expensive...

Don

PS: Z, just saw your post. Easy, if we all run Pittman DC706s that will eliminate the melting endbell problem!

Hi Don
Nordic produced two motors, the Silver Star was intended for low power tracks and the Gold Star for use on the raceways.
I have been told that they were the work of a local racer [to Nordics in Southall West London] called Wally Pooley, think that's how you spell it!
These were stripped down Mabuchi 16d, in the case of the Gold Star the can was painted gold and the armature rewound, epoxied and balanced, probably static balancing but all the rest was standard.
As far as I can tell the magnets were standard Mabuchi's but a Mk2 version was later sold which had the Hitachi Rikochet magnets fitted [glued in], at the time these were considered to be superior to the standard Mabuchi magnets, they certainly clonked more than the Mabuchi's but not sure they were actually any better!
Have no idea what the wind was but I would think it's along the line's of 60+ turns of approx 32 swg, never been able to take one apart to find out due to the quite heavy epoxy.
Not in the same class as the Mura's and Champion of the time but quite a bit cheaper and don't forget that not all raceway goers were pro racers, most were just kids wanting to get there Riko kit to go faster than his mate's so these motors were cheap and more than capable.
Yes the Black Widow is a rewind, had a small spool of Simco wire so did it 60 turns of 30awg, also installed period after market 16d mags but have a feeling this might be a little too hot in this chassis!
Cheers
[oneofwos]

Sorry, Nightrider, I may have erased your original dark & dingy comment when I deleted what I thought was a duplicate post...

Back to the motors, I may have been wrong about not having a rewind based on the K&B Wildcat (16D endbell drive with floating bearing, the only one of its kind...). Here's one from the Charlie Morito legacy that just turned up on ebay in the last few months, after disappearing for some years since his untimely demise... Not sure if CO was a brand, but it rings a vague bell, perhaps from Champagne, Illinois.. Looks like kind of an official label, but in a funny place for cooling...





A Mura rewind of Charlie's with home-made elephant ears/cooling-bussbars?



And a very interesting experiment, which we will never know if he finished: stuffing a Versitec/Globe 5-pole arm in a Russkit can, with ball bearing... Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing the Russitec!





To answer two earlier questions, first, a U-Go 26D with original label - the can shade looks about right:



And a tricolor 26D, perhaps a commercial rewind? can is orange painted blue or vice versa, and the back in Russkit gold! got me...



Don

Hey Guys,

look at the other details, this thread is brilliant.

Nordic Silver, Nordic Gold, whatever. I used to rewind Revell & Riko MKI with 60x32G, and consider oneself fortunate !!!??.

BUT, then we had to upgrade our power supply. Triang Trans to 12v battery with trickle charge !!!!!. Wasn't it ever just the same !!.

Can anyone else see a 7t pinion, Jeez, I would like one today.

What about the can bearings, we used to solder solid.

Rikochet MKI mags were the best though, we used to buy motors for the mags and mate with all sorts of others, like RikoFlashMKII.

I don't really know why, but my favourite ever motor was a Revell "Wild-One" 26D Rewind, honest, don't know why, but it was !!. Still got it !!.

I had it mounted anglewinder style, ( before the term was invented ), with Taylormade gears, in a brass rod chassis, Chevy Camaro.

Cheers Guys, Chris.

We were only club racers, although I did visit Hounslow Model Raceway once as a birthday treat from my Dad, some treat from Staffordshire !!.

VBR Chris A.

QUOTE Dark, dingy and unkept sounds like most of the uk slot clubs I have attended in the last 30 years!

...and it unfortunately gets even darker and dingier as we get older so, I came up with a cure for that:





Back to our regularly scheduled program....

Z