SlotForum banner

1 - 20 of 41 Posts

·
Banned
Joined
·
8,038 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Hi Guys,
Just post any car decoder questions or issues here.

Most basic question: Do I need ferrite man? If so where? What happens if I still have issues.

Different motors and tracks have different characteristics. So with some tracks and motors you need various protection.
The most basic is you do need a ferrite asnd capacitor combination on the motor end.

I havent really noticed a lot of benefit from putting a ferritre man on the braids but I wont dismiss this until more testing is done.

Next and last measure of protection is an additional earth wire. Here we allowed 2 large easy to solder to pads on the rear of the csar decoder. Use a file to remove a fraction of paint/dirt etc of motor can. Use say a 25W soldering iron on the motor end and say 15W soldering iron for car decoder end. Always tin all surfaces before "fusing" together. Practice on old stuff before attempting.

Rick
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
8,038 Posts
Hey Guys,
Today I found a dud chip. It worked but stuttered around the track and very inconsistant. It must have a dud oscillsator or radio chip. If you get one like this simply return for an exchange.

Also do yourself a favour, install new braid when installing Scorpius car decoder. A good chip needs good clean continuous power and aint no better time than when you install a car chip. I run my braid around 16 mm long when brand new, depending on the type of guide of course.

Use copper braid, soft stuff for non magnet and medium for magnet. Use JP Slot, NSR, Ninco, Slot.it or any decent brand of braid. Do not use stiff braid. If using nickel coated copper stick to the good stuff like Ninco or SCX Pro, do not use Hornby nickel plated standard braid, as supplied in the snap on braid sets, Scorpius tends not to like it, and they are way too short anyway.

If using SSD snap on guides with braid, learn how to rebraid these using after market gear, much better.

Rick

PS DDA Ill get that pic, one day
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
636 Posts
ZITAT(injectorman @ 5 Jun 2011, 09:35) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hey Guys,
Today I found a dud chip. It worked but stuttered around the track and very inconsistant. It must have a dud oscillsator or radio chip. If you get one like this simply return for an exchange.

[...]

Rick,

we had something similar during betatest. That time it was a broken antenna. May be the above chip has the same problem?

Regards,
Diegu
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
8,038 Posts
Discussion Starter · #5 ·
...or a cold solder joint. 99.25% from the factory worked on the bench, which is a good result...but then this.... I also noticed some of the antenna wires a wee bit long, Ill double check the length with John and report back.

Rick
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
8,038 Posts
Discussion Starter · #7 ·
Yes hotglue is fine. Its quick, and its not permanent. I use it continuously. Make sure the chassis is held flat during the process otherwiuse its possible to warp it. The hotglue should easily peel off the chassis and car chip. Not all hot glues are equal Ive noticed so practice on an old car chassis and old car decoder or similar before going ahead. I once bought a brand and it was sort of hard to get off.

Tip: To get the glue at its coolest, start from cold and as soon as the glue is able to be pumped yiu know it doesnt get any cooler. The only reason I say that is some guns get too hot, and then the glue can actually burn you, warp a chassis or take too long to cool.

By the way I found another dud car decoder so I know they're going to be out there in the wild. Recommend attaching motor and braid wires only, test the car chip, if all ok proceed to fit the phototransistor. Return any duds for in house testing here and swap over.

Whats really important is the position of the antenna. It should be heading away from the board and at 90 degrees. If this cant be done due to positioning of car decoder try another right angle. The antenna should not contact magnets or motor cans.
Over time Ive been sloppy in positioning the antenna and the car will simply not work properly.

Note again also the antenna length should be exactly 28mm. For some reason some of the decoders have 34mm length.

Rick
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
8,038 Posts
Discussion Starter · #9 ·
34mm could easily do the job, if it works just leave it, but keep in mind if cars ever do operate less than 100%.
If it has an effewct on lapcounting? Possibly but unlikely.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
8,038 Posts
QUOTE (Camber @ 10 Jun 2011, 15:48) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>My cars are running fine without them, do I still need to have them for warranty issues?

Hi Camber,
If a motor spikes at the exact moment it sends a lane chane/no lane change command or sending a lapcounting notification, the system could prevent transmission.

Jaycar sell tiny single bead ferrites and 103 ceramic capacitors at a fair price. The ferrites I havent tested so after a few weeks if they prove to be ok Ill post the part number.

Rick

PS Intial reports coming out of Spain favourable thus far regarding car decoder. Early days of course.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
8,038 Posts
Hi Guys,
Ok latest on car decoder. Good news on ferrites and capacitors are NOT mandatory. But Im going to be asking Scorpius users to post their findings, as there are so many variations out there.

The EARTH LEAD from motor can to car decoder IS mandatory. This has been added to the spec and will be standard on on future production runs.

Remember it should still be included to stop the motor interferring with neighbours radio and television reception if nothing else.

Ferrite man on the braid wires are definetely not required.

This should make life just that little bit more pleasant


BASICS

Apart from the basics, you know, clean rails and power, nice braids etc. theres really only 3 things to remember for Scorpius at this stage, take shortcuts here and it simply wont work.
Here they are:

a)Antenna must be clear of car decoder, offset decoder to one side of chassis to let antenna extend at 90 degrees to pcb as much as room permits.

b)Discard dongle casing, use heatshrink to protect dongle. Or I can send some out in the mail FOC, just email me.

c)Ensure dongle is in such a position that no humans come between start finish line and dongle. This will mean hanging dongle off ceiling in most cases. Distance is not an issue actually, only positioning.

The only cost here is the USB extension cable. Recommend you buy the 5m one straight up to give you more options. The dongle will run on USB extension cables up to and including 5m, but NEVER over 5m (15ft). Think ahead, where will people be crowding around on race night?

Of course if using a laptop to reconfigure installed Lane Brains of course the extension cable would be best removed:)

Rick
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
881 Posts
My first "victim" for surgery is going to be a Carrera Evolution car. It has a stock E200 motor with 2 resistors and (I think) 3 capacitors. Do I just wire the car decoder directly to the existing red & black wires on this motor, or do I have to take any of the resistors and/or capacitors off?
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
8,038 Posts
Discussion Starter · #13 ·
hi Hooch,
Should be ok with all that on, give it a try.
Rick
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
136 Posts
Hi Rick

I set up a track and gave my F430 Scaley and Porsche Xlot a go, man this is the shite!. What a response!!!, and finally I can have some juice delivered to my cars :)

Only thing is, I am gonna need more chips, so do you still have a bunch?

minus
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
8,038 Posts
Discussion Starter · #15 ·
I have everything in stock, albeit limited numbers
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
8,038 Posts
Discussion Starter · #16 ·
Hi Guys,
Scorpius (car decoder) V3.1 out now. If you hsavent received an email please advise via email.

Fearures: Improved re-initialisation after radio transmission breaks eg under wide low bridges.

Rick
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,166 Posts
Rick a few post back you mentiond that the CAPACITOR was not needed. Where you refering to the large black capacitor on the chip itsself?

If so that is great news, it just makes the chip that much smaller.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,166 Posts
Ok thank you for clarifying. Now will the chip work without the large capacitor it has sitting on it. I know some people will move it. But can it be ommited in some cases or is it vital?
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
8,038 Posts
Discussion Starter · #20 ·
Vital.
 
1 - 20 of 41 Posts
Top