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Hi Steve,
Thanks for your time and effort helping me.
All these are intersting plans and so many options for someone to consider.

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. I am inclined more to this.

Also no space for borders it is just this .
 

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If you keep your tyres clean then less advantage for leaning on the barriers, but I’d still make some up wherever they will fit and for R1 turns you can use Scaley R2 borders, they are about 50mm wide so fit in more spaces. For the R2 loop I actually packed it up under the outer edge maybe 1/4” or 6mm to bank it slightly, then cars could go faster, and again less requirement for the shoulders or barriers to be ridden on. I like the design there, only worry is visibility of cars re-entering track from pitlane, some crashes may happen under that R2 elevation above the pit exit.. I note you have both sections of the esses section as R2, I actually found it was a lot of fun to have one part as R1 and then R2 or vice verse depending of the race direction (I tried both) but really, you need to build it and try it to know what it’s going to feel like, you may find you want to tweak some things after driving it. I’ll shortly add another variant that I ran for a while, just in case it spurs any further ideas. It was about tweaking the design to fit my curved lane changer in the best spot.
 

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Here is the idea I was just talking about, just imagine the straight shortened by one straight, and the R2 loop as continuous rather than interrupted by that single straight. It isnt shown but was to use a curved lane changer. You actually probably wont like it as the flow isnt quite as good. Oh well I guess it shows how many different ways you can tweak things.

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Here is a slight tweak of your above design... Top straight shortened by 1/3 straight, allows a little better visibility under the R2 loop, part of the esses have a compounded R2/R1/R2, compounding curves can yield a lot of fun driving fun but again would need to try it to know just how it will feel. Something you could try later I guess if you wanted to.

Trying to think about what you could do about visibility of the pit exit. Or maybe it will be ok as you have it, hard to know.

Apologies for some typos and missing punctuation in the last couple of posts, part of the mobile device experience
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This idea came to me during the day... That if you elevate and angle the curve section that is above the main straight, almost like banking but flat, that if you can elevate and angle it just right, that you would have some visibility of the pitlane underneath, assuming drivers positions are in front of the CU. Would make the layout more interesting as well.

I also added an R2 at the end of the straight as it allows faster corner entry speed (even just one R2 will make quite a difference) and took the liberty of compounding the exit of turn 1 as well (its fun to drive like that
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Couple of ways you could do it... Of course, it is entirely up to you, these are just suggestions.

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You could put a straight LH LC just after the CU, would be ideal because you can avoid a car that is potentially leaving the pits... Some people will say that the RH turn 1 is too close to the pit exit, but Ive never had problems with this kind of arrangement.
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Angle of view from drivers... Will that work with that lowest R2 loop? Other thing I really think youll be missing out on speed and flow by putting that 1/60 at the end of the last turn, that loop was quite a thrill when I had a similar layout.

Edit: assuming you will be investing in a quantity of these pieces I suppose you could just build it, try it, change it to your fancy.
 

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Once these layout ideas get in my head I can't get rid of them.

I thought, what if you bought two 6 packs of R2 and one pack of R3...

I think you would have quite a good view of the pitlane entry and exit from the sight line of driver's position. Flow is a bit different so not sure what you would think or feel about that, but here goes...

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Yes, the elevation changes are definately something worth thinking about. From memory, when I ran something similar (but with turn 2 going under the straight rather than over it) I had an elevation of about 130mm, (I did run 140mm but ended up lowering it) but I think there might be enough room if done gradually and spread out over a number of track sections (as many as possible) This is going to take a bit of fiddling about and working out a system of risers (e.g. series of upside down U shaped cut from soft wood such as pine for ease of assembly) to figure out just how much is required and where. In fact the descending elevation when I had that turn 2 under the straight was really, really fun, the cars going sideways on the descent was really cool. But would take some backward steps in this design to make it like that, driver postion would need to move to the opposite side for instance. Instead, this kind of feel would be felt on turn 3 and 4, would need to drive it to know as you say, testing required.

I did tweak a couple more minor changes after I posted that, but will wait to see if Geor74 has any further feedback.
 

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Well at the moment I have not anything to my hands to experiment with , as orders are severely delayed. Neither had any experience before, so everything is on the theoretical side of things.
Sure thing is that my first design will be this: Rectangle Automotive exterior Font Bicycle part Auto part
and that is because the set I am waiting is this https://www.carrera-toys.com/en/product/20023628-double-victory so I am going with all the pieces available to me (including the bridge support) given my space restrictions.
The red outline is my space outline.
Track length 9.58 for outer lane and 8.96 for the inner one.

Exception is the pit lane since is a hard to find item at the moment. Fortunately I obtained an App connect module to run the smart race app with a tablet to make things more interesting.
 

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Ok, so a 1:24 set... The set comes with shoulders which is a good thing. I haven't run 1:24 at home but many who have say that you'll need those shoulders. Means taking another look at the proposed design for the future if you want to maintain compatibility with the 1:24 cars. The longer straight will be fun.
 

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Ok, so a 1:24 set... The set comes with shoulders which is a good thing. I haven't run 1:24 at home but many who have say that you'll need those shoulders. Means taking another look at the proposed design for the future if you want to maintain compatibility with the 1:24 cars. The longer straight will be fun.
I will run 132 cars . Bought two of those. No space for shoulders.I bought the set because of the extra pieces and the wireless controllers. Hard to find these times wireless sets. The total price for the extra pieces , wireless set and a normal 132 set would be higher! Plus I will have the 124 cars and if I dont need them I can always sell them at
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I suggest you to swap the change-lane sector position.
Now the first one put you in the blue lane and the second ... is good only for switch to the blue lane.

If you find some other pieces of track, maybe this layout will fit your space (and hope your likes):

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Since your design has (x12) R1/60's in it, if you added x4 R2's maybe you could do something like this if it fits in your space... It's just an idea, maybe it could inspire something else if you don't like it or won't be able to access the required pieces. Not sure if it will actually fit in your space.

The (x4) R2's can easily be replaced by (x2) R1/60's and a single straight, they will slot right into the same space at the end of the straight. But I suggest against accumulating too many R1/60's... As you expand your layout you will realise that you will have less and less need for them. I have actually cut a few of them in half and made R1/30's out of them, I used the (removeable) electrical connection tabs from unused pieces to complete them. The red lugs of course won't work but you can epoxy or hot glue them into place if you are game (avoid too much heat)

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Or how about this if you can get hold of a 6 pack of R2...

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Softyroyal.de online planner is reporting a difference of 62cm between the lanes. I'll have a play with your idea and see if I can come up with alternatives that hopefully you might like. Do you have any R2 pieces or any other radii at all?

Here is an idea based on your design you posted. It requires 7 R2's, but could be redesigned to use what you have/can obtain.

Problem is the visibility of corner in top right.

Anyone for pretzels?

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Dear Slotspeed, I really like your MiniPretzel design, it provides quite a length at a confined space. I am a complete newbie and my current stock of Carrera tracks consists out of the contents of two starter packs (a lot of 60dg R1, and quite some straight. I think I cannot read the plot lay outs yet but can you tell me what tracks you need for the MiniPretzel? I have no problem acquiring some R2 material, but my space is really limited to one standard MDF board (i.e. 244x122cm), thanks in advance for your response.
 

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Hi RaceFan,

It would be difficult to get that layout down in size to fit onto your 244cm board. And you’d need to do away with the pitlane. Also it might get boring with 3 RH turns followed by 3 LH turns lap after lap but there are still some other aspects that may be interesting so not 100% sure... I’m on my mobile phone so will count the pieces later. But the elevations take practice and patience to get just right in the build stage. Then you build it and realise that borders/shoulders would be nice to have but there’s no space left for them. But I did run a layout without them for a long time and still had fun.

Wonder what our resident expert @kalgani might suggest... ?
 

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Here are a few variations. I think I will add these to a more relevant thread later, (sorry for the diversion Geor) and continue this conversation about the pretzel from there but since I'm in a hurry I'll poke them in here for now. With more thought, it could be made better, but here is a taste...

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