[GBMark]

Just picked up the 2002 Carrera F1 Sauber.

By coincidence there is a recent topic at SCI about the fact that this car cannot compete with the newer Ferrari F1.

Sure enough it just seems to coast around my track and actually jumps out of the slot surprisingly easy.

The solution posted at SCI was to change the existing 10:26 gearing to 9:27 which is apparently fitted to the Ferrari.

Looking at the gear ratio table at Pendle Slot the ratios mentioned above seem to bear no relation to the ones on Pendles chart and being a complete novice I am now clueless as to what the solution might be.

I would be grateful for any guidance and help that could make this Sauber competitive with the Ferrari.

Mark.

 

[Carrera124]

Well, the 2002 Sauber is also available in a newer version (with new 9:27 gearing, more powerful motor and addtional magnet under the rear axle).

 

[Tropi]

GBMark
I'm not sure what is shown on the Pendle gear chart but we have one here - I'll return with a link to it in a few minutes.

The old Carrera 'standard' gearing of 10:26 converts to 1 to 2.6.
The new Carrera 'standard' is the same as most other standard gearing
using 9:27, which converts to 1 to 3.
This higher numeric ratio permits the motor to hit maximum rpm much sooner, giving better acceleration and braking, which is much more suited to smaller, twistier circuits.

The older gearing was only suited to circuits with long straights and fewer twists giving the car the capability to (eventually) reach ultimately higher speeds than the more common 9:27 gearing of other manufacturers. Few circuits will allow the 10:26 gears the space and time to ever reach that potentially higher speed and its use is generally considered a bad mistake by Carrera, which has now been corrected in their later cars.

Here is Our SF Gear Chart
Note that the 9 and 27 tooth gears are marked in red, to draw attention to the fact that it is a well-known standard ratio. Hope this is helpful

 

[GBMark]

Thanks for the link and explanation Tropi, makes a lot more sense now. My home track is 59ft with the longest straight being 5 standard straight sections so no wonder the Sauber seems sluggish.

Taking the 9:27 down to its lowest denomination of 1:3 now works with the Pendle chart (this is found in the Slot.It spares section).

I guess the obvious thing to do will be to buy one of the new Carrera crowns. Not sure who stocks Carrera spares, anyone know ?

Crazy-Chris, the 2002 Sauber looks huge next to the Ferrari and Scaleys F1's, seems out of scale to me (oh no, not that old chestnut

). Does the new Sauber include updated bodywork or is it just a re-livery ?

Mark.

 

[Carrera124]

QUOTE (GBMark @ 15 Jun 2004, 08:49)Crazy-Chris, the 2002 Sauber looks huge next to the Ferrari and Scaleys F1's, seems out of scale to me (oh no, not that old chestnut

). Does the new Sauber include updated bodywork or is it just a re-livery ?
Well, that's easy to explain:

The sauber is not a 2002 version, it only came out in the year 2002. In reality, it's the 2001 version.

The same applies to the Ferrari: It is the 2002 version, and come out in 2003.

Because the real F1 reglement had some changes from 2001 to 2002, the Ferrari's axles are not as wide as the Sauber axles. Therefore, the Sauber looks somewhat oversized in comparison to the Ferrari.

The same issue with the BMW-Williams F1: 25703 and 25704 came out 2003, the represent the 2002 car and fit to the Ferrari.
The older BMW-Williams 25437and 25438 came out 2002, represented the 2001 car and fit to the older Sauber.

Some more Sauber stuff:

1. The first one. 19xx model, come out 2000. Really ugly. Only old technology
25423

2. The next one. 2001 model, came out 2003. Body is the same as the Mclaren 25457 & 25458, only different painting and spoilers. This car is available in old and new technology.
25459 & 25460

3. The newest one. Not out yet. Same body as 25457, but different painting. maybe different spoiler, I am not sure at that point.
25723 & 25724

(all pictures are taken from TC's private Evo homepage)

 

[GBMark]

Thanks for the info Chris, it is interesting to see how these things evolve.