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Champions League Round 4 at Oxford 4/3/12

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Round 4 of 2010/12 Season is at Oxford on 4 March 2012

We will be using Fly Racing M1's
Doors open for set up at 8am and practice from 8.30ish
Racing from 10.30 prompt, we will do double heats with all times to count (combined time)
We shall supply a car for competitors to win on day (Lottery)
Tea/coffee available and will do some rolls etc.
Club is open on 7th and 21st of February from 8pm if you want some practice

We've had some good turn outs so far this series, hope you all make the trek out to West Oxfordshire

Not restricted to Champions League clubs only, anyone can enter £8.00 on the day
Cars are supplied and you can run your own analogue controller (also available if required)

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Stupid controller? I think he means electronic? any resistor controller is electronic by its nature.

Maybe they should have set a rule about the price of a controller rather than say electronic which cost at least double or up to 9 or 10 times a parma plus.

I think electronics are interesting as they can measure currents and change their characteristics giving the mediocre driver skills he never knew he had!

I think we should outlaw the thumb being used!


electric current: a movement or flow of electrically charged particles, typically measured in amperes.

Electronics is the branch of physics, engineering and technology dealing with electrical circuits that involve active electrical components such as vacuum tubes, transistors, diodes and integrated circuits, and associated passive interconnection technologies.
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I bow to your intellect, yes I meant single resistor controllers with no added switches and no facility to change the resistance whilst racing,no electrickery to record where you are losing time on a lap, and no variable breaking, just a plain ordinary single resistor controller,(one or two fingers up to you), thumb controllers or even home made rythme sticks as long as they are of single resistor configuration.
Oh happy days
Out interest , when do you think the champions league will move into the 21st century and catch up to the rest of the world and use 'elec trickery' as such I just wonder, it's always a big issue at meetings and what I can't understand (yes I enjoyed the round I did and will probably do another soon) is why people do not want to better themselves and go quicker by getting a decent controller ?

I mean you wouldn't see an f1 team using a spanner to take wheels off in a pit stop now would you ?
Look forward to seeing you, the devil is in the detail, as far as the controllers are concerned, there is an obvious advantage when using them, and to some degree the more you spend the better the performance, the same applies with standard controllers, so why bring another variable into the equation.
PS Once you have sorted the controller out you will find the better drivers still rise to the top, just like cream

As ever your posts are most amusing and i always look forward to them.

The point of the controller and indeed using the club cars is to have a more level playing field where not just the person with the most money wins.

The same can be said for some clubs that still use the resistor type Parma etc.

This series has always been in my eyes about having some fun, sure it gets a bit heated at time and there has been the odd incident.

Always there seems to be rules set and instantly questioned.

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QUOTE (DrH @ 7 Mar 2012, 07:44) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Flange,

As ever your posts are most amusing and i always look forward to them.

Heard this so many times now I don't even know if your having a go at me or being serious .

I agree it sort of brings out a 'level' playing field , but I Dissagree that 'those with the most money will win' . At the end of the day it needs to be backed up by skill , the only reason I voice this concern is that I think because of this Londoners on a whole are being left way behind the rest of the country let alone the Italians and Spanish ..

Maybe you/the champions league following don't care about being left in the dark ages and well if that is the way you feel I respect that as not everyone wants to go flat out ridiculously fast.
Flange - DrH is amused... not taking the Michael

With regard to the controllers (and other aspects of the hobby too), when newbies turn up and they suddenly find that their beloved Scalextric cars are no good for the sort of racing we do, they do bulk at the price of stuff.
As a committee member at Nascot Wood, I am always battling to save the average racer money and keep him competitive. This includes restricting the types of motors we're allowed and also even the manufacturers.
Fancy controllers DO give an advantage and as I'm not particularly well-off, it demoralises me when I go to an open meeting and find that my car is left gasping for punch on the main straight because the guy next to me has a sudden influx of power from the electronic capacitors and refined wiring that his wallet can afford.
Now okay, it's an open meeting and I don't have to turn up if I don't want to. But I do when time allows because I like to race and I will put up with the fact that the guy next to me has more money.
This series (The Champions League) is designed to be basic. New guys can come along and race. They might fall off every lap and often do. BUT it's to give them the thrill of racing on different tracks against people they wouldn't normally meet etc etc.
Personally, I don't feel like I'm living in the dark ages... I have an Apple Mac for a computer - most people have a PC, they're the ones living in the dark! (That's a joke by-the-way, but it's the same kind of argument).

We had two new guys start at Nascot Wood recently and I don't want to put them off by saying they'll need this and that just to have an outside chance of being competitive.

I used to race BRSCA-type cars (I couldn't afford that either), and that type of racing is FAST... I mean really fast, so I think I can control super-beasts with the rest of 'em. I still probably won't beat Matt Bryce, Trevor Fox, Keith Fishenden and others though

So basically, if you have the skill, you'll win,no matter what type of racing you do. I think the problem with not beating Johnny Foreigner is much deeper. I mean, when they have one of their Rally events in Portugal or Spain, the entire family turns up and the events get sponsorship... meanwhile here in cold dank Blighty, we're standing around in secluded huts drinking tea and arguing about who should be put on first when there's an "off"

Buy me an electronic controller for my birthday - I'll gladly use it at as many events as I can

Hope to see you come and race very soon

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Electronic throttles are great, period! I've been lucky enough to have the use of one for some years now, as have the vast majority of other people at our club and unless the world runs out of electricity, it's unlikely that anyone will convince me to change back.
However, I think unless everyone in a body of racers, be it a club or a race series is in agreement that the use of such devices should be allowed, it just opens up a very angry can of worms.

When Truspeed controllers first appeared at Molesey, there was a lot of muttering and grumbling and accusations of cheating and buying success soon followed.
We went through various tests and after much deliberation concluded that there was no increase in straight line speed or "punch" out of bends. The real advantage in fact for the type of racing we do, is the ability to adjust the brakes. In certain classes this is worth around 3-4 tenths over a lap on our old track, which on a 7.5 second lap is the difference between night and day.

These throttles are now the norm at Molesey and in response to the cost argument most new members see owning an electronic throttle as something to aspire to rather than a financial non starter.

I have to agree that telling a prospective new racer they're going to have to spend £200+ is likely to scare the
out of them, but there are other far more cost effective alternatives available at a fraction of the cost which will give you the same basic adjustments (brakes and ohmage) which will enhance the racing experience no end. Rather than, "oh boll**** the trigger wire on my throttle's worn through, again".

I can see Flange's argument in as much as I think the London racing scene might be a little "blinkered" to the advances that have been made in throttle technology, in the same way as captain caveman looked at his neighbours invention and said "round wheels? Don't be stupid!". But if things work fine the way they are then why change? But then, why not?
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I still think that my Apple Mac is better, faster, crisper display, nice looking, trendy, 21st-Century, costs more and is leagues ahead of all the PC users on here too

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One of our lads turned up last night with a extra box ?
2amp socket with a knob on it, whats that Alan ?
Its an adjustable brake box cost less than £10.00

Marc will try and borrow it and bring on Friday night to show you,
He has also modified a std parma controller as well for resistance for less than £10

Think electronic controllers is the way forward (if you cant bet them, join them)
I was lucky in that Wayne got a Tru-speed and his NSR one was surplus to requirements, so managed to buy from him
Am now thinking of upgrading this for something with more Knobs on
Most of us tune-up our cars possibly doubling the cost of said car but using a £20-£40 controller ?

Racing on both Plastic and Wood electronic is way forward for me, far more car control !

Assume Club cars on Friday will be the ones used for your C/L round ?

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Club cars will be something old but very drivable...
You know, a car that suits an old-fashioned controller.
(We have about 15 of them to choose from)

Look on our Facebook page:

Nascot Wood Facebook

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QUOTE (abbo @ 7 Mar 2012, 12:30) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I still think that my Apple Mac is better, faster, crisper display, nice looking, trendy, 21st-Century, costs more and is leagues ahead of all the PC users on here too


How come Abbo van afford an apple and not a pro controller?

Apples are just different in cost and technology to a pc.

Apples are not very good for number crunching but for imaging and artwork for the creative person they are.

anyway this is a slot car forum...
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Visit MHSC and you could walk away with £25.00 on the right night. see the calendar, but why not come and practice we can give you a doughnut and a cup of coffee or tea.

Our club is run by its members and for its members. All the committee are elected by the club members.

Some cheap motors are better than nc6 so why not let them into the Nascot club rules?
All interesting posts.

I am relatively new to the hobby and am actually quite shocked at the price and quality of the controllers.

The Parma's we use fall apart much too quickly in my opinion.

The truspeed mentioned i gather is the PWM type which does look intriguing but £222 is a lot of pennies.

Ignoring the electronics are the mechanicals a step up from the Parma ones?

My parma's plus have lasted 5 years plus! what are you doing with yours? I hope you added the extra brake cable.

nic- slot32
QUOTE (zendragon @ 7 Mar 2012, 18:10) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
do you mean controllers???

no I mean motors. Abbo wants their members to save money and they insist on ninco which are really the most expensive for what they are. There are better motors that cost less than his club rules state!
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This threads better than an episode of eastenders!!

I have to agree with 27 and flange, controller tech has moved on just like car tech has. Why buy a 15ohm, a 25, 35 and 45 which squek and brake, when you can have one controller (like me) with variable resistance and variable brakes. I also own a very good controller where you can adjust the curve, start speed and other jazz, but like 27 says the difference in top speed is nothing, and iv been racing in the SIC using both and competing just fine. But those that have competed abroad will def say we are being left behind partly from using ancient equipment and partly from having not enough decent plexi tracks in the country.

Might I also point out round 1 of SIC this week (see thread), introducing the inexpensive standard (other that f series tyres) classic class. Standard throttles will be more than adequate if you wish.

And for the record macs are way better. They last longer and are more efficient. Much like a decent controller.
I bought the economy parma's years ago & they are far more reliable than the plus models at our club!!

Don't forget as regards this series if you did bring a gismo controller, you can set it up for your own practice car but then it may be useless as supplied club cars are raced??? each car having it's own controller set up.

I have a gismo controller for use in major comps so the best of both worlds eh?
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