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Hi all,

I originally posted this in the Farnham club forum, but that might have been an error. It's not a Farnham-only event, but an open invitation to anyone who thinks this might be a good idea and fancies trying their hand at a genuine endurance race - for the benefit of Children in Need and other good causes.

The 'Background'
With the vigour and enthusiasm of a new member I proposed the idea of a charity 24 Hour race to the Farnham AGM, which wasn't rejected - so it's down to me to see if it's an idea that can work.

The 'Why'
Firstly, why bother doing it? Well my suggestion was that we should do it for Children in Need. I know that it's been around forever and a lot of people can take or leave Terry Wogan and Pudsey but the cause is great. Here's what the charity says in its own words:

Our mission is to make a positive change to the lives of disadvantaged children and young people right here in the UK. Our vision is a society where each and every child and young person is supported to realise their potential.

For every penny you give the charity, that penny will go towards projects helping disadvantaged children in the UK. We are able to make this promise because the charity uses its investment income and Gift Aid to cover all running costs. Every year, thanks to public donations and the amazing efforts of fundraisers, schools, businesses and our corporate partners, we are able to provide support to thousands of youngsters aged 18 and under.

We provide this support in the form of grants to organisations working with children who may have experienced mental, physical or sensory disabilities; behavioural or psychological disorders; are living in poverty or situations of deprivation; or suffering through distress, abuse or neglect.

I couldn't think of a better cause than that.

The thing about us slot racers is that we're all kids, albeit some older than others. We have a great hobby, one that we lavish our spare time and money on, so I thought why not use that positive energy to raise funds for kids who struggle to make a start in life for one reason or another?

The objective is to have fun, to create a close and cost-effective race that will be enjoyable to participate in and be a major achievement to complete - one that will hopefully inspire people to sponsor us all and raise funds.

In addition to Children in Need, we will also be raising funds for the Farnham group of Disability Challengers, which provides pre-school Playgroups, Play Schemes for 4-11 year-olds, Youth Schemes for 13-18 year-olds and Young Adult Schemes for those up to 25. As stepfather to a disabled child, I can vouch that the opportunities which schemes like this provide for youngsters both to test their own limits and get a real kick from being involved in, and achieving from, taking part in new activities are beyond measure.

The 'When'
The suggested date is Friday 18th November - Saturday 19th November, coinciding with the Children in Need telethon, pending approval of the Club and the Club's landlords.

If we run qualifying at 5pm and start the race at 6pm, we'll have plenty of time for celebrations on Saturday night after the race is over!

The 'Where'
Farnham Scalextric Club, Conservative Club, Farnham, Surrey.

The 'How'
My suggestion is this: Farnham has a big 4-lane Ninco setup, so we are looking for four teams of either four or six drivers in each, depending on how many people want to take part.

The cars will be box-standard Modern GT cars (post-2000), making the race like a miniature version of the big events at the Nurburgring, Spa, Dubai etc. Cars must run with full interiors (no impact cars), factory-fitted motors, tyres, hubs, axles, guides and gears - including traction magnets.

Headlights and tail lights will be required - and these must have been factory-fitted. This means no high-falutin' tuned-up monsters from the likes of Slot.It or NSR, putting the emphasis on regular high street brands for reasons of affordably ensuring both roughly equal performance and reliability (I ran Scaley cars for 7 hours a day during a week-long event in a tent in Bahrain and they covered an epic distance without having to change a single part, so this should be a breeze!)

This does mean that Ninco cars can't enter, although there were a few Fly cars made that would qualify as there were lighted versions made. There are also some eligible AutoArts for the brave!

One thought I did have was that, if we didn't allow Fly cars (on the basis of rarity and value if nothing else!) teams could be divided up by manufacturer - i.e. AutoArt, Carrera, Scalextric and SCX. Over to you lot on that idea!

Classes will reflect their 1:1 counterparts and be divided into GT1, GT2 and GT3.

I think the complete list of eligible cars would be:

GT1
AutoArt: BMW M3 GTR, Koenigsegg CXX, Lamborghini Diablo GTR
Carrera: Corvette C6.R, Ferrari 575 GTC, Maserati MC12
Fly: BMW M3 GTR, Corvette C5-R, Dodge Viper GTS-R - unless you want four manufacturer teams
Scalextric: Aston Martin DBR9, Maserati MC12, TVR T400C
SCX: Aston Martin DBR9, Corvette C6.R, Ferrari 550 GTC

GT2
AutoArt: Porsche 996 GT3 RS
Carrera: Audi R8, BMW M3 GT2, Ferrari 458 GT2, Mercedes-Benz McLaren SLR, Porsche 997 GT3RS
Scalextric: Audi R8, Ferrari F430 GTC, Ford GT, Mercedes-Benz McLaren SLR, Porsche 996 GT3 RS
SCX: Ferrari F360 GTC, Mercedes-Benz SLS, Morgan Aero 8

GT3
AutoArt: Ford Mustang FR500C, Porsche 997 GT3 Cup
Carrera: BMW Z3, VW Scirocco GT24,
Scalextric: Dodge Viper, Ford Mustang FR500C, Jaguar XKR GT3
SCX: Aston Martin N24, Porsche 997 GT3 Cup

Essentially these will be cars homologated for competition in the FIA GT, ALMS, LMS or VLM endurance series (or their offshoots, such as Belcar, British GT or Britcar) since 2000.

The 'Rules'
1) Minimum sponsorship requirement of £150 per team if four drivers, or £200 per team if six drivers.

2) Each team must nominate a team manager from among the drivers.

3) Each driver will use their own car, making this a 24 Hour relay race (or Coupe de Roi to give it its posh name).

4) Lanes will be allocated by qualifying, based on the total time of each team member's fastest laps.

5) If teams comprise four drivers there must be only one GT1 car and two of either GT2 or GT3.

6) If teams comprise six people there must two cars from each class.

7) The team manager must divide his team into pairs so that when one driver is racing his or her partner is marshalling for the duration of their stint, meaning there will always be four marshals on track.

8) If there are four drivers per team, each driver must race for a total of 6 hours. If there are six drivers per team, each driver must race for a total of 4 hours.

9) Each driver can run from a minimum of 30 minutes to a maximum of 2 hours in each stint.

10) Team managers must present their team's pre-allocated schedule of their drivers' and marshals' stints (in order) to the officials. Any deviation from this will receive a 50 lap penalty.

What We Need

•Either 16 or 24 drivers with box-stock GTs from the lists above.
•A minimum of sponsorship pledges as detailed above.
•A nominated team manager for each team.
•Eight volunteers to act as Officials… One person must be in the chair counting down the laps at all times, another must be on hand to deal with any issues arising among the teams and ensure that changeovers take place safely and on time. (I'll put my name down for one slot, so that leaves seven to find!)

Prizes to cover:

•Overall Winning Team
•Winning GT1
•Winning GT2
•Winning GT3
•Most funds raised
•Competitions for non-competitors (e.g. guess how many laps the winning team will cover for £1 a go, all going to charity)

And so…

Thank you all for reading this far. I hope you like the idea and fancy taking part. Put your thoughts in the thread and feel free to PM me on anything to do with this idea. We will need a lot of time to prepare, so if we put a deadline of July 15 for people wanting to race, we will be able to make a judgement on whether the event will happen.

There are a number of nice, affordable hotels in the local area, be they Travelodge etc. or local B&B style, so have a think and see if you want to give it a go!

Thanks for reading this far!
 

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Have just read this as a scan through and my first thought was to many classes, suggest that if YOU want to run an event then take responsibilty, tell us what cars can race what is required and how many people are required in a team, four lanes is quite small so divide teams into two have 12hr sessions 6hrs apart and get eight teams that race for 6 hrs then rest for 6 then race futher 6 and get them to combine totals, restrict controllers to standard resistor types and allow light kits to be installed so opens the type of car, maybe suggest that everyone use ninco CLKS as these have been rereleased or state inline only.

I have not sent this as a PM as it will hopefully get others making suggestions, the club I race at do a lot for 'childrens' charities and would, I think like to take part, but I would have to ask them.

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As above far too complicated. Also racing with magnets will make it boring and far too easy

The only charity I can afford to support is my back pocket!
 

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The cars are listed... So they are the cars!

I don't see why it is complicated. Get cars (one each), pay money, race!
 

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I think at this stage the cars are the least consideration. The question is whether there are enough people who think a race like this would be a good idea to make it happen.

Thanks for your constructive thoughts, Zen.

In my opinion, I think that basing the teams on the manufacturer is the right way to go even if that means running without the big guns of Fly and turning the wick down on the track a bit to make sure that the SCX headlights survive. Who knows, we may even get some support from the mannies/importers as a result. So there you are:

Team 1: AutoArt

Team 2: Carrera

Team 3: Scalextric

Team 4: SCX

Each team must have one GT1 and at least one GT2 or GT3.

Magnets should be in because frankly, with 20 hours gone and five hours of lappery complete with little sleep, most drivers are going to need all the help they can get. Real world endurance racers are designed with tired drivers in mind. I've competed in 24 hour kart races and the last stint is always hell!

However, none of this matters much if nobody wants to do it.
 

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Sorry mate
cannot agree with the magnets, light kits can be fitted to most cars with micro switch so they can be turned of until night stages, I wouldnt have to ask the club if you are racing with magnets they wouldnt come.
Most clubs I race at or am involved with dont use magnets, and dont run the cars you have suggested as a class so would have to buy cars too compete, this would not be as big a problem as the magnets!.
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QUOTE (driver#8 @ 17 Jun 2011, 08:19) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Magnets should be in because frankly, with 20 hours gone and five hours of lappery complete with little sleep, most drivers are going to need all the help they can get. Real world endurance racers are designed with tired drivers in mind. I've competed in 24 hour kart races and the last stint is always hell!

Funniest thing Ive read all year on here
- are you just jumping on the 24H race bandwagon now?

By the way - NASCAR SUCKS!!
 

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QUOTE (zendragon @ 17 Jun 2011, 14:38) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sorry mate
cannot agree with the magnets, light kits can be fitted to most cars with micro switch so they can be turned of until night stages, I wouldnt have to ask the club if you are racing with magnets they wouldnt come.
Most clubs I race at or am involved with dont use magnets, and dont run the cars you have suggested as a class so would have to buy cars too compete, this would not be as big a problem as the magnets!.
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OK Zen, thanks for your thoughts and they have been productive. You asked for a judgement call on the teams and I made it.

The original idea was to race 'mass market' and affordable box stock cars, which tend to come with lights and magnets fitted. They don't need time or money lavishing on them to complete a 24 hour race, and I can't think of an easier or more accessible formula to do this.

That said, if pulling the magnets out makes any difference to getting entries in and funds raised then I'm all for it...

...although that would leave the AutoArt and Scalextric runners at a fairly epic disadvantage.

What concerns me is that the race isn't what is being discussed, but rather the cars/classes/regulations.

I'm not hearing anyone saying 'great! I've wanted to do 24 hours for ages' or 'that sounds like a good cause, I'm in'. Which is fine, it's why the thread was started as a gauge to interest. Apparently it's low!
 

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QUOTE (Ed. @ 17 Jun 2011, 15:07) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Funniest thing Ive read all year on here
- are you just jumping on the 24H race bandwagon now?

By the way - NASCAR SUCKS!!

Not 100% sure what this was supposed to contribute Ed - you made the point in your first post that you don't want to be involved.

If you want to explain what benefit we are all to take from this or any further contributions to the thread, I'm all ears buddy.
 

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Wow, what a bunch of grumps.

I can see what you are trying to accomplish and I think it's good idea. It's not like this is some kind of professional slot car event! It's for CHARITY! Did you guys miss that part? Ever heard of the word compromise???? Jeeeez!

Anyhow, I think our team leader has been in contact with you so if we get enough guys together we'll probably join you.

Thanks for trying at least, driver#8. It's appreciated.
 

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I think the guy from over the water has had to much blackstuff pay him no attention.
Keeto
You are used to racing with magnets most analogue racers dont use them.

I still think you get a better responce if you dropped scalex and allowed inline ONLY cars that had lightkits fitted, Pinewood tried to get a 24hr race going this year which failed, (No idea why), maybe you could think of two races over two days combine scores by getting teams to race together, that way you will get twice as many drivers, more club cooperation, no need for lights and you can open the event up to more cars, the only problem then will be you will have to specify an engine and tyres which you will have to supply on the day.
You can guess I am thinking on my feet so to speak, not being a grump just trying to get your event of the ground. and offering what I feel might be of help, IT IS STRANGE THAT there hasnt been much responce from other sensible members of the forum.

Zen
 

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Ed - Friendly warning - the above post is bordering on being personally offensive for no apparent reason.

Driver8 - Am I correct in thinking the Farnham track is not wired for brakes? If not it would be a good reason for the magnets.
 

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Hi Mr Croker,

That's right, Farnham is usually run without brakes - they are on the track, but only activated on rare occasions. Over 24 hours I'd keep them off myself to spare the gears.

Thanks Keeto and AAWSC


Zen - thanks again for thoughts and PM. Will reply later this evening.
 

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Keeto, I've not made contact so please concider this contact.

I need to check the dates with work but I would like to put the assc forward for the carrera team.

I love the fact that it's about the fun, keep the magnets, keep the lights and if people don't like it they can s0d off!!!
 

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Right then, head above the parapet again!


All Saints has stepped up to the plate and taken Team 2, Carrera.


As our lot will have the home ground advantage I think that means Farnham should have the AutoArts - as the first man to put his hand up and our leading 24-hour enthusiast, perhaps Graham can be team captain?

Two down, two to go.

A few more organisers might be a help, but let's see if there's a race to officiate first.

Many thanks again to everyone for their thoughts and encouragement.
 

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Actually, further to my last note, I'm happy to officiate the whole darn thing, so the seven others are welcome but not essential.

That just leaves two teams to find, raising £37.50 per driver in sponsorship.

In case there's any misunderstanding, the £150 minimum entry fee is to be in sponsorship that will be handed over to the charities. No money will be made by the club or our landlords from this event. Every penny you bring will be spent trying to make a difference to children.

I'm off to bed now... looks like I need to build up a sleep credit!
 
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