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Being a bit lost for a project or main interest lately I got a bit keen on the idea of model flying, the only aspect of the game I've never really been into.

Then I got to see how much they charge for membership!!

There wasn't one under 80-odd quid a year, some of those were PLUS BMFA membership for insurance at £29 a year. So you could be spending more than a radio gear set or a smaller engine every year for the use of a bit of grass somewhere!

Model boat clubs aren't far behind, either.

Then I added up what a keen slot car member would be paying and even at a fiver a week, that's £240 a year for a 48 week year!!!!

No wonder the general direction of model making is downwards.
I guess the guy who spends £2000 on a gas turbine engine and upwards from £700 for the aeroplane isn't bothered by £80 for membership, but if, like me you fancy a bit of sport flying with something you've made and using stuff that's around the shed, it becomes untenable, as does slot racing on a regular basis.
Another nail in the hobby's coffin, I dare say.

I won't be pootling round the sky with my Tiger Moth too soon!

Martin
 

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Martin
A small home track can make "pootling around" so much fun....even one lane !!
 

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Hi Martin

I think slot racing can be relatively cheap, but it just depends on premises costs and the classes you run really.

We are very lucky at the moment that we have low premises costs, and so we charge £2 per Thursday night's racing per member (free for first-timers). Tea and coffee are currently free of charge. Annual membership is £20. Turn-out is about 10 on a bad night and 16-17 on a busy night.

A premises move may force us to increase these at some point, but at present we are trying to build up a balance to fund a track extension and improvements and the purchase of a few club cars / controllers, whilst not making it too expensive to acquire cars.

Excluding the scratch-built classes, you need a minimum of about 5 cars to cover all other classes. HPI Nissans were about £15 to £20, Escorts Mk II's about £15/£16 and most people already had a Sports/GT car and a saloon, so it wasn't terribly expensive to begin with.

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Don't get into model railroading! I got into slots because model railroading was starting to get very silly cost-wise. One of the downsides to pushing for ever-increasing levels of prototypical accuracy.

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QUOTE (keysandslots @ 20 Jul 2011, 14:35) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Don't get into model railroading! I got into slots because model railroading was starting to get very silly cost-wise. One of the downsides to pushing for ever-increasing levels of prototypical accuracy.

Randy

me too. I used to have trains but stopped buying new ones coz if that particular reason. I only bought several kof's (110 euro) instead of the expensive 500 euro locomotives


but do you need to pay 80 pound a year just for having a plane? and fly it in free space like an field outside town or do you have to fly in one particular area?
 

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QUOTE Model boat clubs aren't far behind, either.

Hi Martin,
It's a pity your not based up here in the Midlands, the Kingswinford Model Boat Club of which I'm secretary only charge £25 per year membership and covers affiliation to the Model Yachting Association, 3rd party liability insurance (which we have to have), the annual water lease fees we have to pay to the local authority, newsletters and regular winter time indoor meetings. Not bad value really for less than 50p per week, I recon just charging up my boats and transmitter batteries each week costs me more than 50p and travel cost is about 50p in fuel.

I find slot racing on the other hand more expensive as it costs the same for annual membership at Wolves, then £4 per night session fee on a Thursday and probably on average about £4 in fuel to get to Wolves and back on a Thursday night and I dread to think what average weekly spend I have on body shells, paints, glues, parts and electricity for soldering and dremmelling, although I know I do build more than many other fans of the hobby.

It would be nice to find a hobby that's either very cheap or free but given that we get taxed and charged double for everything in the UK its unlikely - lol!


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This thing comes down to the individual, his interest and the size of his his pot
of coins, a case of cloth cutting.
some guys have a rather large disposable income, others are a little less
fortunate.
Its the old adage, if you have to ask the price, you cant afford it.
This came home to me as to how wide the gulf is between folk.
In one post a little while back some guy was contemplating going to an open
meeting but stated " although im keen , it dose mean i have to buy ANOTHER
set of tyres " !!!
On the other hand a friend that is very much into aircraft building was not too keen
on the club he was with at that time, so he left, bought his own field and
set up a club of his own,.
So it seems you take your pick, pay the price {through the nose in most cases }
I would be terrified to think of what i have spent over the years so i dont go there!
Mac P
 

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I think folks are going to be put off at the cost of slotcar racing in general these days, not these issues in joining a local club and enjoying the benefits of other enthusisats to share fun times with for the sake of a tiny drop of cash each week (1.5 pints of beer and a packet of Nobby's nuts in your local pub?).

I just had the latest SlotIt McLaren delivered today at £50 including postage. That's expensive for a model that used to cost £33 only 14 months ago!
 

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I make everything and still couldn't afford it!
Obviously if you're on a nice pension, fair enough, but many youngsters and older people aren't able to justify the costs.

We do have a home track which one day we'll finish! That cost very little and both my son and I make almost everything and buy motors and such on the cheap.

Fuel costs are the killers now. Even at 50 mpg from my wee 850cc van I couldn't justify the travelling on a regular basis and would never buy RTR "because I had to" anyway!

I'm not complaining, just observing. I would indeed find a field and fly there till somebody got the hump, then move on.

I can do that with model boats too as we're surrounded by useful bodies of water. And I will NOT pay for insurance for a bloomin' model boat. How am I going to kill you with a Keilkraft Sea Urchin or a handmade Victorian yacht? What tosh.
Aircraft, that's different, They are seriously dangerous potentially, but I think £29 for annual insurance is a rip-off. It used to be very cheap when it was MAP insurance, now it's BMFA which seems to have replaced the SMAE somewhere along the line.

Maybe I'm lucky. Not being very gregarious, I can do without the company of others, but it would be nice now and then to chat with like souls. It's just that anyone who pays out that much for club membership isn't really a like soul!

I shall probably get just as much fun flying the chuck glider I made this evening for the 4 year old Grandson. Cost 38p in balsa as far as I can calculate and the plans came from a 52 year old Eagle Book of Balsa Models I've had since new.
Tomorrow the neighbour's barley will get a wee bit of trample!

Thanks for the responses, guys.

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QUOTE (ClubSpecial @ 22 Jul 2011, 16:08) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>And I will NOT pay for insurance for a bloomin' model boat. How am I going to kill you with a Keilkraft Sea Urchin or a handmade Victorian yacht? What tosh.
Aircraft, that's different, They are seriously dangerous potentially, but I think £29 for annual insurance is a rip-off. It used to be very cheap when it was MAP insurance, now it's BMFA which seems to have replaced the SMAE somewhere along the line.

Martin

Good lord, I thought only we Americans were that litigious. Insurance for model boats and planes? Might there be a market for slot car liability insurance, or do you folks do that as well?

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As a matter of fact Mark, at our slot club near Paris we had to have liability insurance to operate! Of course it's very improbable anybody could get hurt, but if you get a kid who's young or stupid enough to put his head on the track to get a closer view, and loses an eye, well... unfortunately, as soon as you're in an official situation, you have to take this kind of stuff into account.

And £29 a year really doesn't sound too bad - you should see the insurance rates here!

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QUOTE (Bigskybanker @ 23 Jul 2011, 02:18) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Good lord, I thought only we Americans were that litigious. Insurance for model boats and planes? Might there be a market for slot car liability insurance, or do you folks do that as well?
Yes slot car clubs (or at least the better organised ones) over here normally do have insurance.
Unfortunately the litigious culture has spread internationally and that is making it more expensive for all of us.

Having said that, the insurance premium is trivial compared to the cost of a clubroom (at UK property prices)
 

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QUOTE I can do that with model boats too as we're surrounded by useful bodies of water. And I will NOT pay for insurance for a bloomin' model boat. How am I going to kill you with a Keilkraft Sea Urchin or a handmade Victorian yacht? What tosh.

Martin,
I couldn't agree more mate particularly if your lucky enough to be able to sail where you like for free. Sadly here in the West Midlands all the ponds canals and lakes are controlled by the Local Authorities and or water boards and clubs have to buy a yearly lease to sail on them. Part of their terms and conditions state that all members need 3rd party liability cover or no lease. We could sail without but if you are caught doing so then we are in breach of local by-laws and the fines are far more punative than the fee we pay for a years membership - it's then a gamble are you likely to be caught and prosecuted? who knows but its the fear of a big fine (upto £1000) in our area that forces most of us to obey rules we don't agree with. (Bizarely my brother-in-law has a small lake on his farm land but the actual water in it is according to them owned by Severn Trent Water and we cant sail or fish without buying a licence from them! - Mad!)


As for costs of travelling to local slot clubs I also agree that the fuel costs often outweigh the charges clubs make and in these difficult times for many it doesn't make financial sense when they can run a track at home - I suppose the only thing I'd miss then is the social side. I love building cars and boats but the costs of parts and materials means that even this has started to get very expensive although there is the satisfaction of building something that you can't get with any RTR no matter how good the finish is on them; and as someone has pointed out RTR prices have seemingly gone through the roof in the past 12 months.


Maybe we are all getting old but the world seemed so much simpler and a damn sight cheaper when I were a lad!


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Phil
 

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Health and safety has even hit hobbies then, but when you need ' May contain nuts' on peanut packets the world has gone crazy!

Being a keen Scratch builder I have noticed a huge increase in the cost of spare parts, it's cheaper to buy a complete car to split for the components which seems crazy but I supposed the parts are priced to 'gather dust' Where are those £1 motors now?

Roger.
 
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