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· John Roche
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Hi guys,

I am pleased to announce that next years meeting will be the weekend of April 6th & 7th. The rules and classes will stay the same as previous years.

In addition we will be holding a "Big Birds" race on Saturday afternoon for GP cars from 1950 to 1965. There will be two classes. The first class will be for cars using vintage parts built to the same standards as Double Trouble cars, the second class for cars using modern components to CSCRA rules.

I am sorry that this years event had to be cancelled but we will benefit from the superb facilities at our new clubroom as a result of the extra time spent getting everything right. I would like to thank my clubmates for all their hard work. You know who you are.


Cheers

John
 

· John Roche
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Double Trouble Vintage Slot Car Meeting

Rules and regulations

Pre 1968 Sports/ GT cars

Saturday 6th April: Practice day, Big Birds race in the afternoon.

Sunday 7th April: Concours, qualifying and races for Pre 1968 Sports/GT in both 1/32nd and 1/24th scales.

Concours

The Concours d'Elegance score will constitute half the points for each cars overall ranking. Each entrant will be given a small form to list the main characteristics and the history of each car. Cars may be displayed with a photo to prove the authenticity of particular livery. Voting will be by the competitors and points will be given out of 20. The scores for Concours will be displayed after judging. Cars should be presented for concours in the condition they will be raced.

In the event of a tie following the concours and race scores, the concours score will be the decider.

If a car breaks down during the racing it may be replaced as long as the replacement is within the spirit of the meeting. Only the percentage of the race distance completed by the original car will be taken in to consideration, i.e. if the car breaks down half way through the racing 50% of its concours score will be taken in to consideration towards the overall result.

Car Standards

Cars should be constructed from parts available before 1972. The mixing of components from different manufacturers is acceptable.

All cars should be as faithful a representation as possible of a real car. No Thingies, "handling bodies" or the like are allowed.

Please pay particular attention to wheel and tyre sizes so they reflect reality: no O ring fronts or steam roller rears. Ortmann tyres are the "control tyre" and should be used by all competitors. Exception can be made for original equipment rubber tyres. Sponge, NSR and other modern tyres and in particular SILICONE tyres are not allowed. Tyres should be dry when placed on the track.

Repro chassis and bodies are acceptable provided they are virtually identical to the original. Scratchbuilt and recently manufactured bodies (e.g. Betta Classic fibreglass bodies) may be used provided they reflect the spirit of the meeting. No commercially produced resin bodies. Scratch built cars may also be used as long as they use pre-1972 techniques and materials. Anglewinder chassis are not permitted and we request that you do not use B and C can motors..

Open frame motors may use modern neo magnets as they are cheaply available and not everybody has access to a magnet zapper.

The bottom line is that a car should look right and comply to the spirit of the meeting. If it doesn't, the competitor will be asked to run something else.

Entry fee £7 for one class, £10 for two, £12 for all three.
 

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Hi Don,

We've always allowd neo magnets as they are an easy way of reviving tired open frame motors for those who don't have access to a zapper. There are no magnatraction benefits as there would be at Bordeaux as both tracks have copper braid.

I should also mention that the 1:32 track is slightly different as we had to shorten it to make it fir the new clubroom.

Cheers

John
 

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I'm pleased to say that the new Rockingham (formerly Wellinbugger) Club is now open. The first club nights have been run on both tracks and our first open meeting is this weekend:

Rockingham Classic meeting

So it's definitely all systems go for Double Trouble next year


Cheers

John
 

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At a few recent vintage meetings there has been uncertainty somethimes whether a body used is a handling body. These are not allowed within the rules.Handling bodies were "carcatures" of real cars which were stretched and lowered. If you're not sure whether a body is a handling version simply find the dimensions of the 1:1 version and divide by 32 or 24. We do not expect you to be exact relating to wheelbase and track but do expect reasonable models of the real thing. Handling bodies will no longer be accepted at Double Trouble and you will be asked to run something else.

The other main area that can spoil the look of a car is wheels and tyres that are too small a diameter and too wide. Suggested sizes are outlined on the CSCRA site:

http://www.cscra.co.uk/Car_Standards_files...%20-%202011.pdf

Pre '62 cars: • Front wheels and tyres: Minimum diameter 27mm, minimum width 6mm
• Rear wheels and tyres: Minimum diameter 29mm, maximum width 9mm

'63 -'68 cars: • Front wheels and tyres: Minimum diameter 25mm, minimum width 7mm.
• Rear wheels and tyres: Minimum diameter 27mm, maximum width 12.5mm.

Obviously there wil be exceptions to the above but I hope this helps with planning your builds..

When I get a few minutes i will post a few links to suppliers of suitable bodies

Cheers

John
 

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Hi David, it would be fantastic if you and Angela can do some nosh especilly now that we don't have a chip shop down the road anymore.

Gerald, Bill, Joel and Tony i'm glad you're all joining us and Tony it's good that you can finally use that room.


Don, the Big Birds are 1:24 as opposed to Early Birds in 1:32scale. They can be built to either Double Trouble rules or to CSCRA rules. As this years Bordeaux theme is the Indianapolis 500 we'll also allow Indy cars up to 1965 too to save people having to build 2 cars. I'm not sure yet how many entries we'll get so I don't know yet whether we'll run both classes seperately or just lump everyone in together. We can decide nearer the time.. We'll be running the race on the 1:32 track as these cars will be narrower than modern F1 cars in 1:32 scale.

Cheers

John
 

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Just giving this a bump to see if anyone else will be around for a meal on the Saturday night? I'll contact the hotel early next week.

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John
 

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Hi Gerald,

Big Birds was organised before this years Bordeaux class was announced. The event was originally just for GP cars but we included Indy to give people a chance to get another meeting out of their Bordeaux cars, also to hopefully boost entries. It should actually be pre-'66, my mistake.

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John
 

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Hi guys,

Sorry about the delay replying. the meeting has sort of crept up on me, I hadn't realised it was so close and I've been distracted by work and other stuff. Even now I'm sneaking a look at work.

Ross, sorry I missed your post, I'll look forward to meeting you.

Mick, if you look at the first post in this thread the intention always was to run pre '66 cars, we just added Indy cars as it's the class for Bordeaux this year.

Timetable for the weekend:

Saturday 6th, Doors open 10am. Practice day then Big Birds 13.00.

Sunday 7th, doors open 8am. Concours 10.30 followed qualifying then racing

Table booked for the meal at 20.00 Saturday, if anyone ellse would like to join us please let me know.

Can I remind you that 1:32 cars need a black guide to be detected by the lap counters.

Cheers

John
 

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Hi David,

I'm glad you can make it.

We only combine vintage & retro for the Big Birds racing. Sundays races are strictly vintage.

Big Birds was going to be a separate meeting last year but had to be cancelled due to the club move.

it was going to originally be an attempt to run retro scale 1:24 cars but we decided to include vintage as Bordeaux ran a GP class the other year, North London ran an open frame front engined class for a while and since then you've run 1.5l cars in Southend and this years Bordeaux class is for Indy cars so we included them as well.. It seemed a good way to boost entries and to alloew those who had already built cars a chance to run them again

Also many people have Revell Lotus and BRM's, Atlas Coopers and BRM's, Cox Ferraris and guess what, BRM's that can be run.

We'll see what sort of response we gwt then decide where t go with it next year.

I'm off to bed now.

Cheers

John
 

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If anyone is planning on using an Atlas Cooper body for the Big Birds race please be aware that they are extremely brittle and break easily. just dont ask how I know


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Hi Phil,

It's difficult to judge from a photo but I guess concours voting will decide if it looks right.

Hi Bill,

I'm happy to have voting out of 20, it might spread the middle bunch out a bit.

Cheers

John
 

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Hi guys,

It would be helpful to know numbers for Sunday for bacon rolls which Angella Farrow has kindly offered to prepare. the club is on an industrial estate so there are no local shops or chip shops although I believe there is a McDonalds not too far away.

Entrants so far are:

Davis F
Sam F
David L
Joel
Pete
Colin
Owen
Eddie
Gerald
Phil
Rob
Bill
Tony
Ross
Clive
Mick K
Me but I'm a vegan so don't count for nosh.

I'm not sure who else from Rockingham? Ralph? Chris?

It would help if you could confirm please

Cheers

John
 
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