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Hmmm, t'would appear that none of us know any more than you.
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On the strength of the rumour, read at SCI, I signed up for their email news. All I've got is a ton and a half of diecast nonsense out 'em. Really should unsubscribe.
Maybe we'll learn more as 2004 develops... then again....
On the strength of the rumour, read at SCI, I signed up for their email news. All I've got is a ton and a half of diecast nonsense out 'em. Really should unsubscribe.
Maybe we'll learn more as 2004 develops... then again....
QUOTE (Wankel Ickx @ 26 Jan 2004, 11:00 PM)Hmmm, t'would appear that none of us know any more than you.
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On the strength of the rumour, read at SCI, I signed up for their email news. All I've got is a ton and a half of diecast nonsense out 'em. Really should unsubscribe.
Maybe we'll learn more as 2004 develops... then again....
Thanks Wankel and Tim.
I'm probably not alone in hoping Exoto produces the Ford MK4 in the four 1967 LeMans flavors. Bob
On the strength of the rumour, read at SCI, I signed up for their email news. All I've got is a ton and a half of diecast nonsense out 'em. Really should unsubscribe.
Maybe we'll learn more as 2004 develops... then again....
Thanks Wankel and Tim.
I'm probably not alone in hoping Exoto produces the Ford MK4 in the four 1967 LeMans flavors. Bob
I flicked through my latest MCR, and sure enough, Exoto were mentioned again. They blamed SARS etc. for not producing anything last year (so KFC 'flu will scupper them again?) but are reported as threatening a Ford Mk. IV, P34 and Porsche 917/30 CanAm in 1/32 (rrp $60 -awk!) and the porker and a Cobra Daytona coupe in 1/24 for $90.
QUOTE ([email protected] @ 28 Jan 2004, 07:54 PM)I flicked through my latest MCR, and sure enough, Exoto were mentioned again. They blamed SARS etc. for not producing anything last year (so KFC 'flu will scupper them again?) but are reported as threatening a Ford Mk. IV, P34 and Porsche 917/30 CanAm in 1/32 (rrp $60 -awk!) and the porker and a Cobra Daytona coupe in 1/24 for $90.
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I guess if somebody in the global villages takes ill anything can happen ! For Exoto those 1/32 prices sound great. Thanks for the update. Bob
I guess if somebody in the global villages takes ill anything can happen ! For Exoto those 1/32 prices sound great. Thanks for the update. Bob
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Ah...Exoto. The diecast you love and the company president you love to hate.
OK...some people know me here from other boards but most probably do not. Bear with me so I can provide a little history on myself...you will see where it is going in the long run.
Prior to getting into slot cars about a year ago, I spent some time in the diecast arena...about 10 years worth. I had collected over 600 1/18th diecast and a handful of other scales, as well. I was deeply involved with diecast doing consulting in Research and Development work for GMP on many of their product lines.
Exoto is well known as being the cream of the crop for diecast. Their detail is beyond being unreal for the most part. The detail needs to be good since the President has a personality of a pit bull on crack and crystal meth! He attacks his customer base when someone has a complaint and ridicules the crapola out them to point of really making himself looks less than ignorant.
But the diecast they build is fantastic. They have recently come out with a 1/10th scale line of Mercedes Sauber C9's and GT-40's that you could swear you could jump into and drive away! The heads of the engine are BOLTED on with accurate sized bolts. I have seen their design teams go to work on measuring cars. It is unbeleivable what they can do. The Toggle switches on the 1/10th scale GT-40's actually do flip with positive stops. The 1/18th scales go for anywhere from $170 to $300 USD per car retail and the 1/10th scale GT-40 for about $800 USD with the Mercedes going $1,000 USD. Click here to see what I mean for the GT-40.
Now the build time seems to take forever. Exoto's First Heat series was announced over 5 years ago I think and the first model came out in this series less than 1 year ago. They will use any excuse possible to justify their delay hence the mention of SARS but have used the war, terrorism and more...usually (as it was told to me) it is because they have not fully secured the rights to do the car for mass production and sale.
2 of the more well known cars they have done are the Cobra Daytona and Corvette Gran Sports...LOOK FAMILIAR? Keep this point in mind and please read on...
From Exoto's website (www.exoto.com:
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About 2 years ago, due to complaints about the pricing, Exoto opened up a new line of diecast called Motorbox. The cars were designed to have a little more detail than the average $60 to $80 1/18th scale diecast and cost about the same.
Here's where the tie-in comes to slot cars...
The Motorbox line was designed by Exoto and manufactured for Exoto by Revell of germany. Revell has been known in the past to have nice Slot cars but got out of it altogether a few years back.
So now, Revell wants back into slots and needs something to make a hit and re-established themselves...they turn to Exoto since they have this partnership going and exoto has the rights to some really nice and unusual cars not previously done in slots but high in demand and desire from slot racers and collectors. The next thing you know...(from Revell's website)
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So now Revell is back into the slots. Exoto noticing a winfall approaching in the resurgence of slot car racing decides it's time to hit the market also and is having slots made by Revell.
This is how it was described to me and I am just relaying information on it.
If the build times are anything in slot cars like they are in diecast with Exoto, your grandchildren may be around to see them actually race on a track.
Be patient, they will be worth the wait but never, never hold your breath waiting for a release when you see them in Exoto catalogs. You will die from lack of Oxygen.
OK...some people know me here from other boards but most probably do not. Bear with me so I can provide a little history on myself...you will see where it is going in the long run.
Prior to getting into slot cars about a year ago, I spent some time in the diecast arena...about 10 years worth. I had collected over 600 1/18th diecast and a handful of other scales, as well. I was deeply involved with diecast doing consulting in Research and Development work for GMP on many of their product lines.
Exoto is well known as being the cream of the crop for diecast. Their detail is beyond being unreal for the most part. The detail needs to be good since the President has a personality of a pit bull on crack and crystal meth! He attacks his customer base when someone has a complaint and ridicules the crapola out them to point of really making himself looks less than ignorant.
But the diecast they build is fantastic. They have recently come out with a 1/10th scale line of Mercedes Sauber C9's and GT-40's that you could swear you could jump into and drive away! The heads of the engine are BOLTED on with accurate sized bolts. I have seen their design teams go to work on measuring cars. It is unbeleivable what they can do. The Toggle switches on the 1/10th scale GT-40's actually do flip with positive stops. The 1/18th scales go for anywhere from $170 to $300 USD per car retail and the 1/10th scale GT-40 for about $800 USD with the Mercedes going $1,000 USD. Click here to see what I mean for the GT-40.
Now the build time seems to take forever. Exoto's First Heat series was announced over 5 years ago I think and the first model came out in this series less than 1 year ago. They will use any excuse possible to justify their delay hence the mention of SARS but have used the war, terrorism and more...usually (as it was told to me) it is because they have not fully secured the rights to do the car for mass production and sale.
2 of the more well known cars they have done are the Cobra Daytona and Corvette Gran Sports...LOOK FAMILIAR? Keep this point in mind and please read on...
From Exoto's website (www.exoto.com:
About 2 years ago, due to complaints about the pricing, Exoto opened up a new line of diecast called Motorbox. The cars were designed to have a little more detail than the average $60 to $80 1/18th scale diecast and cost about the same.
Here's where the tie-in comes to slot cars...
The Motorbox line was designed by Exoto and manufactured for Exoto by Revell of germany. Revell has been known in the past to have nice Slot cars but got out of it altogether a few years back.
So now, Revell wants back into slots and needs something to make a hit and re-established themselves...they turn to Exoto since they have this partnership going and exoto has the rights to some really nice and unusual cars not previously done in slots but high in demand and desire from slot racers and collectors. The next thing you know...(from Revell's website)
So now Revell is back into the slots. Exoto noticing a winfall approaching in the resurgence of slot car racing decides it's time to hit the market also and is having slots made by Revell.
This is how it was described to me and I am just relaying information on it.
If the build times are anything in slot cars like they are in diecast with Exoto, your grandchildren may be around to see them actually race on a track.
Be patient, they will be worth the wait but never, never hold your breath waiting for a release when you see them in Exoto catalogs. You will die from lack of Oxygen.
Brian, let me welcome you to Slot Forum.
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Some of us certainly know you from HRW and possibly elsewhere - who could possibly forget your wobbly avatar!
That is no die cast!
A fascinating article that fills in some of the knowledge gaps.
Apart from dying through lack of oxygen during the wait, I guess when they do arrive we could be severely maimed through loss of the crinkly stuff too!
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Some of us certainly know you from HRW and possibly elsewhere - who could possibly forget your wobbly avatar!
That is no die cast!
A fascinating article that fills in some of the knowledge gaps.
Apart from dying through lack of oxygen during the wait, I guess when they do arrive we could be severely maimed through loss of the crinkly stuff too!
QUOTE (Brian Schindler @ 29 Jan 2004, 04:29 PM)So now, Revell wants back into slots and needs something to make a hit and re-established themselves...they turn to Exoto since they have this partnership going and exoto has the rights to some really nice and unusual cars not previously done in slots but high in demand and desire from slot racers and collectors. The next thing you know...(from Revell's website)
Great post, Brian!
Oh yeah... I was surfing through the Exoto page a few days ago and really stumbled across their 1/18 Cobra and Corvette. I was really stunned HOW similar they were, compared to the revell cars. I mean, they are the same model and both good looking, but they really have the same style...
Now I have the answer...
But if I got you right... the next revell slot cars, being NOT conversions of 1/18 exoto die casts, will they decrease in quality?
Great post, Brian!
Oh yeah... I was surfing through the Exoto page a few days ago and really stumbled across their 1/18 Cobra and Corvette. I was really stunned HOW similar they were, compared to the revell cars. I mean, they are the same model and both good looking, but they really have the same style...
Now I have the answer...
But if I got you right... the next revell slot cars, being NOT conversions of 1/18 exoto die casts, will they decrease in quality?
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Quite possibly but who knows. If these Daytonas and GS's were done with Exoto assistance, the bodies were most likely replicated from CAD files which is much easier to replicate from than in the old days.
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One more thing about Exoto are prices. They offer very good prices on new announcements but by the time they finally get produced...usually I have seen as much as a 30% increase. Doesn't matter if you preorder or not since they don't charge your charge card until they ship...usually, at least
....adding to what Tim expressed above, regarding Exoto's possible cars -
From the Christmas 2003 issue of Exoto tifosi, page 128 lists:
in 1/32
1974 Porsche 917/30 KL Can-Am, Watkins Glen #6 of Mark Donohue.
1967 GT40 Mk IV Le Mans winner of Gurney and Foyt
1976 Tyrrell P34, Anderstorp winner of Jody Scheckter
in 1/24
1974 Porsche 917/30 KL, Donohue, Watkins Glen, Sunoco livery
1972 Porsche 917/10 K Can-Am #6 of George Follmer, the L&M livery
1964 Cobra Daytona Coupe from Le Mans, #5, Gurney and Bondurant
the 1/32 cars projected at $59.95 and the 1/24 cars at $98.95. All are listed as limited editions with production numbers equivalent to the year the car was raced.
As mentioned above, who knows what the real story will be.
Bob G.
From the Christmas 2003 issue of Exoto tifosi, page 128 lists:
in 1/32
1974 Porsche 917/30 KL Can-Am, Watkins Glen #6 of Mark Donohue.
1967 GT40 Mk IV Le Mans winner of Gurney and Foyt
1976 Tyrrell P34, Anderstorp winner of Jody Scheckter
in 1/24
1974 Porsche 917/30 KL, Donohue, Watkins Glen, Sunoco livery
1972 Porsche 917/10 K Can-Am #6 of George Follmer, the L&M livery
1964 Cobra Daytona Coupe from Le Mans, #5, Gurney and Bondurant
the 1/32 cars projected at $59.95 and the 1/24 cars at $98.95. All are listed as limited editions with production numbers equivalent to the year the car was raced.
As mentioned above, who knows what the real story will be.
Bob G.
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