F1 - A general conversation

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beardy56

Discussion Starter · Jul 22, 2019

With all the subject matter being raised in the various F1 topics on here I thought I would start a general topic for any this not related to a particular race.

I came across this a few days ago

The 1965 Dutch GP.

And it just goes to show that some things haven't really changed. This race was just about halfway through the season and Clark is already just about confirmed as champion and the gaps between the leading cars at the end? Raymond Baxter calls this a close and exciting race, wonder what he would make of current F1 races?

This was Jim Clark's 5th win out of six races, he also won the next race in Germany. The only one of the first six races he didn't win he didn't take part in, Monaco, which was won by Graham Hill in a BRM who won the next two races after Germany with Jackie Stewart and the Hill again. Honda broke the mould with their first win in the final race in Mexico with Richie Ginter.

Championship :-

1st Jim Clark 54 Points (all his 6 points scores were wins and all counted, best 6 finishes only counted)

2nd Graham Hill 40 points

3rd Jackie Stewart 33 points

4th Dan Gurney 25 points

5th John Surtees 17 points

6th Lorenzo Bandini 13 points

7th Richie Ginther 11 points

8th Mike Spence & Bruce McLaren 10 points

another seven drivers scored points and after that another 24 drives competed in at lease one of the ten races that year.

That's 40 drivers competing in total and another 11 who attempted to qualify.

The Constructors championship was ( only the 1st placed car in each team counted)

1st Team Lotus - Lotus-Climax 54 points (Jim Clark, Mike Spence and two other drivers )

2nd Owen Racing Organisation - BRM 45 points (Graham Hill & Jackie Stewart)

3rd Brabham Racing Organisation - Brabham-Climax 27 points (Jack Brabham, Dan Gurney, Denny Hulme and 1 other driver)

4th Ferrari - Ferrari 26 points (Lorenzo Bandini, John Surtess (8 races), Pedro Rodriguez (2 races) and 3 other drivers)

5th Cooper Car Comapny - Cooper_Climax 14 points (Bruce McLaren and Jochen Rindt)

6th Honda R & D Company - Honda 11 points (Ronnie Bucknum & Richie Ginther)

7th RRC Walker Racing Team - Brabham-BRM 5 points (Jo Siffert also Jo Bonnier in a Brabham - Climax)

8th Reg Parnell Racing - Lotus--BRM 2 points Richard Attwood, Innes Ireland, Mike hailwood, Chris Amon and 2 other drivers)

with 3 other teams racing and another 3 teams that did not qualify for any races.

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Trisha

· #82 · Nov 1, 2019

It's my long-held view that F1 will be dead by 2025. The writing has been on the wall for a long time.

Few will mourn its loss more than I, but there's nothing we can do to prevent its disappearance. It's all most regrettable, but at least we can live the great days through slot racing.

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Trisha

· #93 · Sep 28, 2020

Carlos Sainz at Sochi? Most extraordinary.

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Trisha

· #94 · Oct 2, 2020

Pesca below under braking. This kind of 'action' usually prompts at least two replays in F1 today. Bizarre.

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Trisha

· #96 · Oct 7, 2020

Matthew

It was normal years ago for GP drivers to compete in different formulae - often on the same day.

A few examples below of Pedro Rodriguez in a Sprite, Graham Hill at Le Mans, Bruce McLaren in an Elva and Jim Clark in a Lotus-Cortina.

There are hundreds of other examples over many years.

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Trisha

· #98 · Oct 7, 2020

Matthew

It's Graham jumping out of a Ferrari P2, 1965, at the Nurburgring (not Le Mans as I wrote above. Apologies).

Pics below show Hill and Mike Parkes getting into their Ferraris - again at the Nurburgring.

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Trisha

· #101 · Oct 7, 2020

Ted

The caption in the book from which I nicked the photos reads that they are P2s, so I cross-referenced with Hans Tanner's book which reads P275s, except the Surtees' car fitted with 4-litre engine.

My eyesight not good enough to see bulges in engine lids.

Trisha

· #106 · Oct 7, 2020

Kevan's right. Today's F1 drivers would excel in all formulae. Their contracts with current employers usually preclude them from trying, of course, which is a pity but circs have changed down the years.

Older folk will know that yonks ago, there were fun competitions in Britain, held in an attempt to discover the best of the best. There were all sorts of different machines for them to drive in a variety of tests. Rally cars, road cars, single-seaters, tarmac', mud, loose surfaces and the rest.

It was all a lot of fun. And who usually came out on top? The best from F1?

A resounding... NOPE!

The great all-rounders who scored most points overall were from the world of international rallying, which is just one reason for people in Zuffenhausen today citing Vic Elford as the greatest driver ever employed by Weissach. Interesting, eh?

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Trisha

· #111 · Oct 10, 2020

Tangerine

There's been lots of conflicting noise in the past week on this subject. One suggestion is that Red Bull could build its own engine. Renault hasn't been ruled out, either, and VW are waiting in the wings.

I favour VW making exact copies of the Auto-Union 6-litre V16 supercharged engine, complete with stub exhausts, and supplying them to both Red Bull teams.

At least we'd enjoy a return to racket.

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Trisha

· #112 · Oct 11, 2020

The view of TV commentator, Ben Edwards, that Charles Leclerc is the only Monagasque to score pole and victory in a GP might come as a surprise to the family of the late Louis Chiron.

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Trisha

· #114 · Oct 12, 2020

It would make a change to hear Christian Horner speaking something other than well-coached 'spin'.

"Yeah, no, We can't rule anything out or in, and are looking at all the options right now. Yeah, no. No, yeah..."

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Trisha

· #116 · Oct 12, 2020

Alternatively, Red Bull could use one of their cars from the Soapbox Derby. Such a move might even lead to Williams scoring points.

Trisha

· #118 · Oct 12, 2020

I've held the view for quite some time that all F1 teams would save a fortune if they switched to using standard, production 5-litre engines off the shelf. In conjunction with hybrid electrical technology, the cars would still be blindingly fast, but reassuringly cheap.

F5000 had a lot going for it in the late 1960s. Largely forgotten today, though.

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Trisha

· #124 · Oct 12, 2020

Gripping

"Yeah, no. No, yeah. I think the plans are in the planning stage, and no, yeah, I mean, we look to go forward, which means putting the past behind us, and if, yeah, I mean, no yeah, we welcome a window on the present and the future, but I can't really say at this present moment in time because I'm not sure the timing's right at this present moment in time, yeah no. Yeah, perhaps."

Horner-speak! Scheesch and again.

Is it illegal for his mother to smack him? If so, why?

Trisha

· #125 · Oct 12, 2020

A chap out on the finishing line, waving a flag to greet competitors home, is a piece of GP 'theatre' that has long-since departed, which is a pity because it added colour and drama even after a dull race.

Elfs, eh?

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Trisha

· #126 · Oct 22, 2020

As Haas have announced the departure of Growbag and K-Mag at the end of the season, there will be a little less cause for humour next season, but of course, we don't know the identity of their replacements yet.

Hope springs eternal...

Trisha

· #134 · Oct 24, 2020

Yesterday, there were dramatised headlines about a crash in practice between Verstappen and Stroll. This morning I watched a video of the incident. 'Twas little more than a banging of wheels followed by the common or garden excursion off piste.

An interview with Christian Horner ensued...

The whole episode was much ado about nothing, yet again, and one that casts doubt on the credibility of F1 scribblers who go looking for headlines where they don't exist.

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Trisha

· #137 · Oct 24, 2020

Tangerine

Thanks for your post above which prompted my watching highlights from last year's Spa 24 Hours on YouTube. A wet race throughout with a high attrition rate, mostly due to altercations, but close racing on occasions.

Illuminated racing numbers on windscreens, too. Never seen these before. I haven't previously taken much interest in GT3, mostly because the liveries of so many cars are, to my tired eyes, an aesthetically messy eyesore, but I couldn't help raising a smile to see a Gulf Porsche crossing the finishing line in first place.

It's where Gulf Porsches naturally belong. Naturally.

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Trisha

· #143 · Oct 25, 2020

Vitaly Petrov has withdrawn as the steward representing drivers' interests for today's GP in Portugal because his father, Alexander, has been shot dead.

Details are scant at present.

Trisha

· #144 · Oct 26, 2020

An excellent race in Portugal yesterday. Lots of action and an exhibition of masterly driving from Lewis that excelled even by his standard. Toto summed it up most succinctly, simply by saying: "92".

Note to self: Write a letter to Lawrence Stroll with friendly advice about that kid of his.

Trisha

· #153 · Oct 26, 2020

Interesting comments online about Hamilton. By accident I stumbled from link to link and into a question that asked why Lewis is so unpopular.

The many, diverse views about him are almost, but not quite, polarised. Kimi still has the largest fanbase of all drivers, and after his performance during the opening laps in Portugal, it has probably grown.

As a multiple champion, however, Lewis doesn't appear to have the support that might be expected. I don't know if this is reasonable or not.

Views, please, anyone?

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