I like Vettel and I love the fact that he bought the car he loved when he was a boy and how excited he is at the prospect of driving it. It is brilliant that he is using carbon neutral fuel too and the sound……!
F1 - A general conversation
With all the subject matter being raised in the various F1 topics on here I thought I would start a general topic for any this not related to a particular race.
I came across this a few days ago
The 1965 Dutch GP.
And it just goes to show that some things haven't really changed. This race was just about halfway through the season and Clark is already just about confirmed as champion and the gaps between the leading cars at the end? Raymond Baxter calls this a close and exciting race, wonder what he would make of current F1 races?
This was Jim Clark's 5th win out of six races, he also won the next race in Germany. The only one of the first six races he didn't win he didn't take part in, Monaco, which was won by Graham Hill in a BRM who won the next two races after Germany with Jackie Stewart and the Hill again. Honda broke the mould with their first win in the final race in Mexico with Richie Ginter.
Championship :-
1st Jim Clark 54 Points (all his 6 points scores were wins and all counted, best 6 finishes only counted)
2nd Graham Hill 40 points
3rd Jackie Stewart 33 points
4th Dan Gurney 25 points
5th John Surtees 17 points
6th Lorenzo Bandini 13 points
7th Richie Ginther 11 points
8th Mike Spence & Bruce McLaren 10 points
another seven drivers scored points and after that another 24 drives competed in at lease one of the ten races that year.
That's 40 drivers competing in total and another 11 who attempted to qualify.
The Constructors championship was ( only the 1st placed car in each team counted)
1st Team Lotus - Lotus-Climax 54 points (Jim Clark, Mike Spence and two other drivers )
2nd Owen Racing Organisation - BRM 45 points (Graham Hill & Jackie Stewart)
3rd Brabham Racing Organisation - Brabham-Climax 27 points (Jack Brabham, Dan Gurney, Denny Hulme and 1 other driver)
4th Ferrari - Ferrari 26 points (Lorenzo Bandini, John Surtess (8 races), Pedro Rodriguez (2 races) and 3 other drivers)
5th Cooper Car Comapny - Cooper_Climax 14 points (Bruce McLaren and Jochen Rindt)
6th Honda R & D Company - Honda 11 points (Ronnie Bucknum & Richie Ginther)
7th RRC Walker Racing Team - Brabham-BRM 5 points (Jo Siffert also Jo Bonnier in a Brabham - Climax)
8th Reg Parnell Racing - Lotus--BRM 2 points Richard Attwood, Innes Ireland, Mike hailwood, Chris Amon and 2 other drivers)
with 3 other teams racing and another 3 teams that did not qualify for any races.
I came across this a few days ago
The 1965 Dutch GP.
And it just goes to show that some things haven't really changed. This race was just about halfway through the season and Clark is already just about confirmed as champion and the gaps between the leading cars at the end? Raymond Baxter calls this a close and exciting race, wonder what he would make of current F1 races?
This was Jim Clark's 5th win out of six races, he also won the next race in Germany. The only one of the first six races he didn't win he didn't take part in, Monaco, which was won by Graham Hill in a BRM who won the next two races after Germany with Jackie Stewart and the Hill again. Honda broke the mould with their first win in the final race in Mexico with Richie Ginter.
Championship :-
1st Jim Clark 54 Points (all his 6 points scores were wins and all counted, best 6 finishes only counted)
2nd Graham Hill 40 points
3rd Jackie Stewart 33 points
4th Dan Gurney 25 points
5th John Surtees 17 points
6th Lorenzo Bandini 13 points
7th Richie Ginther 11 points
8th Mike Spence & Bruce McLaren 10 points
another seven drivers scored points and after that another 24 drives competed in at lease one of the ten races that year.
That's 40 drivers competing in total and another 11 who attempted to qualify.
The Constructors championship was ( only the 1st placed car in each team counted)
1st Team Lotus - Lotus-Climax 54 points (Jim Clark, Mike Spence and two other drivers )
2nd Owen Racing Organisation - BRM 45 points (Graham Hill & Jackie Stewart)
3rd Brabham Racing Organisation - Brabham-Climax 27 points (Jack Brabham, Dan Gurney, Denny Hulme and 1 other driver)
4th Ferrari - Ferrari 26 points (Lorenzo Bandini, John Surtess (8 races), Pedro Rodriguez (2 races) and 3 other drivers)
5th Cooper Car Comapny - Cooper_Climax 14 points (Bruce McLaren and Jochen Rindt)
6th Honda R & D Company - Honda 11 points (Ronnie Bucknum & Richie Ginther)
7th RRC Walker Racing Team - Brabham-BRM 5 points (Jo Siffert also Jo Bonnier in a Brabham - Climax)
8th Reg Parnell Racing - Lotus--BRM 2 points Richard Attwood, Innes Ireland, Mike hailwood, Chris Amon and 2 other drivers)
with 3 other teams racing and another 3 teams that did not qualify for any races.
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Some words from the man himself.
Top Bloke!
Top Bloke!
Carbon neutral fuel + traditional F1 engine...surely the way forwards.
Now THAT would re-kindle my waning interest in F1 for sure Kevan......what a sound!
Apparently, the most accident-prone drivers in Effing 1 are Romain Growbag, Pastor Maldonado, Andrea de Cesaris, Jody Scheckter and Timo Glock.
Growbag's spatial awareness problem has long been discussed...
Growbag's spatial awareness problem has long been discussed...
Doug Nye's latest Motor Sport column links watching the McMurtry ascend the Goodwood Hill with a mid 60's visit to the newly opened Clacton Slot Car CentreDid we witness the end of ground effects on Sunday with the McMurtry fan car blasting up the hill at Goodwood?
He was working for "Miniature Auto" magazine at the time and was disappointed by the lack of trackside scenery and "the total unreality of the scale speed the slot cars achieved"
And some people still wonder why it all went downhill so quickly.
What did?And some people still wonder why it all went downhill so quickly.
I doubt very much that scale speed (even though it doesn't exist) was the reason for it's demise...radio control was one reason, there's probably dozens more.The slot car boom.
I think one problem was that the latest winning 'thing' or ideas changed faster the a current F1 car bounces, keeping the F1 link 😄, and in the end if you wanted to be competitive, let along winning, you needed to buy new kit so often that in the end most people couldn't afford it and just gave up.
Willi Weber is the latest to express frustration about the lack of info surrounding Michael Schumacher's condition.
Work it out for yerself, Willi. Everyone else has.
Work it out for yerself, Willi. Everyone else has.
For those who like a good 'who dunnit' yarn, the BBC has reported today on the relatively recent burglary at Tamara Ecclestone's gaff.
Yes, but the jewellery is insured for its true value of course?
Williams 8th and 20th in FP1. No prizes for guessing...
I dropped in briefly on the Sky coverage of P2 this afternoon to be met with Ted Kravitz saying that Ferrari was the oldest name in F1 (he said "name" but meant marque).
Er - Alfa Romeo races in F1 currently and was there from the start. It's also a great deal older than Ferrari. Yes, I know it's really a Sauber sponsored by Alfa Romeo, but now it's doing ok they enter and race it as an Alfa Romeo.
Perhaps he omitted the word "continuously" which would have been more accurate although I'm sure that Ferrari has not had an entry at every World Championship Grand Prix either.
Er - Alfa Romeo races in F1 currently and was there from the start. It's also a great deal older than Ferrari. Yes, I know it's really a Sauber sponsored by Alfa Romeo, but now it's doing ok they enter and race it as an Alfa Romeo.
Perhaps he omitted the word "continuously" which would have been more accurate although I'm sure that Ferrari has not had an entry at every World Championship Grand Prix either.
PS, re history, at the drivers' press conferance at least Seb was aware of and made reference to this being the 100th French Grand Prix. He did think that it started in the 1920's (subtracting 100 from 2022 is easy) but there was the small matter of two World Wars which interrupted things. It was first run in 1906 at . . . . .Le Mans.
As a 'name' or marque Alfa Romeo is the oldest in F1 as they were at the 1950 British GP and Ferrari didn't compete until the second race at Monaco. As an aside Aston martin are the third oldest current marque going back to 1959. No one will have a continuous entry record due to the Indy 500 being part of the championship. Ferrari have competed in every one of the 73 seasons, Alfa 13 seasons and Aston just 4. Wonder if Aston will beat their current record of two continuous seasons?
Think I must be getting bored again as I'm doing silly research again 🤣
Think I must be getting bored again as I'm doing silly research again 🤣
1946 Turin Grand Prix was F1 race #1.As a 'name' or marque Alfa Romeo is the oldest in F1 as they were at the 1950 British GP and Ferrari didn't compete until the second race at Monaco. As an aside Aston martin are the third oldest current marque going back to 1959. No one will have a continuous entry record due to the Indy 500 being part of the championship. Ferrari have competed in every one of the 73 seasons, Alfa 13 seasons and Aston just 4. Wonder if Aston will beat their current record of two continuous seasons?
Think I must be getting bored again as I'm doing silly research again 🤣
Team entries were:
1 46 Italy Achille Varzi Alfa Romeo Alfa Romeo 158 60 2:35:45.8
2 52 France Jean-Pierre Wimille Alfa Romeo Alfa Romeo 158 60 +0.5
3 22 France Raymond Sommer Private entry Maserati 4CL 58 +2 Laps
4 10 France Eugène Chaboud Ecurie France Delahaye 135S 55 +5 Laps
5 26 Switzerland Enrico Platé Private entry Maserati 4CL 55 +5 Laps
6 54 Italy Carlo Felice Trossi Alfa Romeo Alfa Romeo 158 51 +9 Laps
7 56 Monaco Louis Chiron Private entry Maserati 4CL 50 +10 Laps
8 18 United Kingdom Leslie Brooke ERA ERA B 50 +10 Laps
9 4 Italy Discoride Lanza Private entry Maserati 4CM 50 +10 Laps
Ret 32 Switzerland Christian Kautz Private entry Maserati 4CL 38 Engine
Ret 50 United Kingdom Peter Whitehead Private entry ERA E 32 Gearbox
Ret 36 France Henri Louveau Scuderia Automovilistica Milan Maserati 4CL 30 Collision
Ret 40 Italy Franco Cortese Private entry Maserati 4CL 25 Magneto
Ret 28 Italy Arialdo Ruggieri Private entry Maserati 4CL 17 Supercharger
Ret 48 Italy Tazio Nuvolari Private entry Maserati 4CL 12 Lost wheel
Ret 16 Italy Giorgio Pelassa Private entry Maserati 4CL 10 Lost wheel
Ret 24 Italy Consalvo Sanesi Alfa Romeo Alfa Romeo 158 8 Ignition
Ret 64 Italy Emilio Romano Private entry Maserati 4CL 7 Ignition
Ret 42 United Kingdom Reg Parnell Private entry ERA C 3 Gearbox
Ret 8 Italy Giuseppe Farina Alfa Romeo Alfa Romeo 158 0 Differential 1
DNQ 2 France "Raph" Ecurie Naphtra Course Maserati 4CL
DNQ 6 United States Harry Schell Ecurie Lucy O'Reilly Schell Maserati 6CM
DNQ 12 France Georges Grignard Ecurie France Delahaye 135
So Alfa Romeo is ONE of the oldest.
Not according to the official F1 website here. The Turin race was run to the proposed F1 rules that were finalised in 1947 so was a non championship race and like other non championship races doesn't officially count as an F1 race
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