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With all the subject matter being raised in the various F1 topics on here I thought I would start a general topic for any this not related to a particular race.

I came across this a few days ago


The 1965 Dutch GP.

And it just goes to show that some things haven't really changed. This race was just about halfway through the season and Clark is already just about confirmed as champion and the gaps between the leading cars at the end? Raymond Baxter calls this a close and exciting race, wonder what he would make of current F1 races?

This was Jim Clark's 5th win out of six races, he also won the next race in Germany. The only one of the first six races he didn't win he didn't take part in, Monaco, which was won by Graham Hill in a BRM who won the next two races after Germany with Jackie Stewart and the Hill again. Honda broke the mould with their first win in the final race in Mexico with Richie Ginter.

Championship :-

1st Jim Clark 54 Points (all his 6 points scores were wins and all counted, best 6 finishes only counted)

2nd Graham Hill 40 points

3rd Jackie Stewart 33 points

4th Dan Gurney 25 points

5th John Surtees 17 points

6th Lorenzo Bandini 13 points

7th Richie Ginther 11 points

8th Mike Spence & Bruce McLaren 10 points

another seven drivers scored points and after that another 24 drives competed in at lease one of the ten races that year.

That's 40 drivers competing in total and another 11 who attempted to qualify.

The Constructors championship was ( only the 1st placed car in each team counted)

1st Team Lotus - Lotus-Climax 54 points (Jim Clark, Mike Spence and two other drivers )

2nd Owen Racing Organisation - BRM 45 points (Graham Hill & Jackie Stewart)

3rd Brabham Racing Organisation - Brabham-Climax 27 points (Jack Brabham, Dan Gurney, Denny Hulme and 1 other driver)

4th Ferrari - Ferrari 26 points (Lorenzo Bandini, John Surtess (8 races), Pedro Rodriguez (2 races) and 3 other drivers)

5th Cooper Car Comapny - Cooper_Climax 14 points (Bruce McLaren and Jochen Rindt)

6th Honda R & D Company - Honda 11 points (Ronnie Bucknum & Richie Ginther)

7th RRC Walker Racing Team - Brabham-BRM 5 points (Jo Siffert also Jo Bonnier in a Brabham - Climax)

8th Reg Parnell Racing - Lotus--BRM 2 points Richard Attwood, Innes Ireland, Mike hailwood, Chris Amon and 2 other drivers)

with 3 other teams racing and another 3 teams that did not qualify for any races.
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And remember there's still Pouchaire floating about and deserving a drive, can't see him at Sauber/Alfa Romeo next year.
If Porsche team up with the energy drink car in 2026 will they need a German driver for some good pr coverage, possibly Mick Schu to Alpha Tauri in a year or so.
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Seeing as there is a bit of a driver merry-go-round going on triggered by the Vettel retirement announcement, I for one would be interested in seeing a drive opportunity for one or more of the women drivers such as Jamie Chadwick, even if only for a season or several races at least.

Based on her abilities and recent performances, I think she could do no worse than some with a current Effing 1 seat.
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With RB doing well Honda have now decided to offer engine support until the end of the current engines, wonder if that would have happened if RB had got the cars design all wrong?

Fully agree with Zippy lots of talk about inclusion but no action as far as drivers are concerned, still seems F2 and money is more important than talent.
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O'scar Pastry has reportedly signed to drive for McLaren in place of Daniel next year.
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Trisha said:
O'scar Pastry has reportedly signed to drive for McLaren in place of Daniel next year.
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Yep seen that reported twice this morning, looks like Mcrat signed him up last month for 2023 while publicly saying they were happy with Ric devious bunch make politicians look good , no news on Ric yet just speculations hunch Alpine which might just kick him into life
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Yup planet F1 reporting this also, be interesting to see where Danric goes, for whatever reason he just can't get on with the latest generation cars.
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tangerinedream said:
Yup planet F1 reporting this also, be interesting to see where Danric goes, for whatever reason he just can't get on with the latest generation cars.
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Not being able to get on with the latest generation cars goes for a lot of us spectators as well, not just some of the drivers.

I much preferred F1 when they played music like this:


and this:

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McLaren are now offering trainers/sneakers at 450 dollars per pair. To me they resemble luncheon from a pie shop dropped into a septic tank close to Chernobyl.
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An interesting littler video, in French but worth the watch. I wonder how many penalties the Renault and Ferrari, at the beginning, would get these days. A good guide to how to build you own F1 car from plywood. more cars at the end as well.

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Trisha said:
McLaren are now offering trainers/sneakers at 450 dollars per pair. To me they resemble luncheon from a pie shop dropped into a septic tank close to Chernobyl.
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The thought of radioactive feet and footware brought back a distant memory from my youth.

Does anyone else from the UK (possibly around the world) remember these things, which could be found in most Clarks footware stores?:

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I have vivid recollections of staring at the bones in my feet on numerous occasions during shoefittings when I was a kid, only to be told off by the salesperson not to use it so much.

'elf and safety wasn't much of a thing back in the early 1970's apparently, and little wonder my feet now glow in the dark!!!
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Kevan
Officially, Danny Ric has been 'de-hired'...Millenial-speak without hurting his feelings for 'sacked'.
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Before you all rush out to buy this book, it isn't a technical appraisal of this year's W13 Mercedes Effing 1 car. Mrs Grumpy tells me it's a new children's book, in this case for grandchild number 2.
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An unfortunate example of when being in charge, and believing you have your "finger on the pulse", turns out to be as far from the reality as you could possibly get, without being in a production of Alice in Wonderland.........


Ohh well, back to the drawing board......Dohhhhhh!!
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A handful of GP venues that have been axed, or are awaiting the chop. Anything to keep greedy shareholders happy, though, eh?

Please don't answer the last question if you're an Effing 1 fan, as your views don't count. Just keep paying for tickets, responding to ads, and watching the idiot's lantern to maintain ratings. 'Seasy innit!
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Sometimes when I see pictures like these I just want to cry for what we have lost.
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Plus the great mountain events, Rob.
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I love your paintings, I'd love to have a couple hanging on the wall.
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Sometimes when I see pictures like these I just want to cry for what we have lost.
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Is it little wonder...........

When "BIg Corporate" take over anything (everything in my experience), what was once pure........real drivers, real cars, real racing, amazing circuits and venues, and true real fans, many of them who couldn't afford the price of a programme let alone a ticket to an event today............

All you are left with is a soulless, heartless circus.
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Trisha said:
In the late 1960s Ferrari produced cars for the road, CanAm, F1, Le Mans (and other sports venues) and mountainclimbing. It became clear that they'd bitten off more than they could chew.

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Thinking about it, the old saying 'there's two guarantees in life - death & taxes'...you could argue there's three and add ' and history repeating itself' because sure as eggs is eggs it does.
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Trisha said:
A handful of GP venues that have been axed, or are awaiting the chop. Anything to keep greedy shareholders happy, though, eh?

Please don't answer the last question if you're an Effing 1 fan, as your views don't count. Just keep paying for tickets, responding to ads, and watching the idiot's lantern to maintain ratings. 'Seasy innit! View attachment 313981 View attachment 313982 View attachment 313983 View attachment 313984 View attachment 313985 View attachment 313986 View attachment 313987 View attachment 313988
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My thoughts exactly Laurence......

Real drivers, real cars, real racing, amazing circuits and venues, and true real fans, not the "Celebrity types" or Corporate sponsor invited "fans" currently invited or attracted to the "show".
Most who haven't the first clue about the event they are even at, with a number not even bothering to watch, being more interested in taking selfies or the hospitality tent.
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