F1 - A general conversation

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beardy56

Discussion Starter · Jul 22, 2019

With all the subject matter being raised in the various F1 topics on here I thought I would start a general topic for any this not related to a particular race.

I came across this a few days ago

The 1965 Dutch GP.

And it just goes to show that some things haven't really changed. This race was just about halfway through the season and Clark is already just about confirmed as champion and the gaps between the leading cars at the end? Raymond Baxter calls this a close and exciting race, wonder what he would make of current F1 races?

This was Jim Clark's 5th win out of six races, he also won the next race in Germany. The only one of the first six races he didn't win he didn't take part in, Monaco, which was won by Graham Hill in a BRM who won the next two races after Germany with Jackie Stewart and the Hill again. Honda broke the mould with their first win in the final race in Mexico with Richie Ginter.

Championship :-

1st Jim Clark 54 Points (all his 6 points scores were wins and all counted, best 6 finishes only counted)

2nd Graham Hill 40 points

3rd Jackie Stewart 33 points

4th Dan Gurney 25 points

5th John Surtees 17 points

6th Lorenzo Bandini 13 points

7th Richie Ginther 11 points

8th Mike Spence & Bruce McLaren 10 points

another seven drivers scored points and after that another 24 drives competed in at lease one of the ten races that year.

That's 40 drivers competing in total and another 11 who attempted to qualify.

The Constructors championship was ( only the 1st placed car in each team counted)

1st Team Lotus - Lotus-Climax 54 points (Jim Clark, Mike Spence and two other drivers )

2nd Owen Racing Organisation - BRM 45 points (Graham Hill & Jackie Stewart)

3rd Brabham Racing Organisation - Brabham-Climax 27 points (Jack Brabham, Dan Gurney, Denny Hulme and 1 other driver)

4th Ferrari - Ferrari 26 points (Lorenzo Bandini, John Surtess (8 races), Pedro Rodriguez (2 races) and 3 other drivers)

5th Cooper Car Comapny - Cooper_Climax 14 points (Bruce McLaren and Jochen Rindt)

6th Honda R & D Company - Honda 11 points (Ronnie Bucknum & Richie Ginther)

7th RRC Walker Racing Team - Brabham-BRM 5 points (Jo Siffert also Jo Bonnier in a Brabham - Climax)

8th Reg Parnell Racing - Lotus--BRM 2 points Richard Attwood, Innes Ireland, Mike hailwood, Chris Amon and 2 other drivers)

with 3 other teams racing and another 3 teams that did not qualify for any races.

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tangerinedream

· #5,161 · 6 mo ago

Really wish I'd painted the spare bedroom today, then I could have spent the afternoon watching the paint dry.

Kevan

· #5,162 · 6 mo ago

Why, what were you expecting to happen?

longdog

· #5,163 · 6 mo ago

Kevan said:
For perfectly good reason...you quoted about 25% of the facts there.

Well go on then, we’re all sitting around with baited breath waiting for Kevin to quote the other 75% of the facts, wake us up when you’ve finished, that way, you will definitely have the last word because we’ll all be asleep 😴😴😴

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PETER GUNN

· #5,164 · 6 mo ago

So ends the 2022 F1 season , the best car driven by the best driver Verstappen won 16 races so he well deserved being the world champion , the other RB driver Checo did all what was asked of him and won races as well and a great no 2, one race stands out for me Spa that one i really enjoyed , personally i feel the series is now to long with to many micky mouse tracks , but money talks and rules in so many ways in life including F1.
The drivers glad Seb got a point in his last race , also glad Danny finished 9th in what i suspect will have been his last race, Ferrari were up and down but ended on a reasonably good high being 2nd constructors and their drivers still seem a fairly good combination to me.
Russell was top Merc driver and did well, Lewis finished 6th overall but still don't think he is finished depends on the car being better in 2023 , Norris was able to drag that Mclaren around and finished the year in a pretty good position , hope they up their game in 2023, Alonso should marry Ocon seem like a old married couple sometimes chuckle but Alpine finished best of the rest.
All in all the rest of the drivers tried their best and sometimes their worst but some of the machinery was not up to it , lot of soul searching for many teams before the 2023 series, personally found this year very fragmented interest wise can only hope F1 does improve by a lot by the start of the next season.

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Kevan

· #5,165 · 6 mo ago

17 not 16

cbwho

· #5,166 · 6 mo ago

This year I bought the F1 internet package and it's great. I've been watching F1 for 22 years and Liberty Media has done a great job injecting energy into the sport.

I think the new penalty system is working fairly well. I'm glad they fixed the team meddling of last year.

I don't think F1 has gimmicks. (NASCAR & Formula E has gimmicks.) DRS makes sense to me. The sprints are a legitimate race. I think of them as another race on select weekends, so I don't know why people dislike them.

The passing has dramatically improved and even though one driver won a lot, there were interesting rivalries down the field. For example, if Vettel could have passed Ric, it would have been worth millions in prize money.

Mcfly013

· #5,167 · 6 mo ago (Edited)

An American... NASCAR... F1.... and reality.

NASCAR's move to heat racing destroyed the Cup Series. The declining numbers reflect an
organization driven by money not the people that pay the money. I had tix to several races,
and let them all go several years ago with the "Chase" initiative. (NASCAR venues allowed previous year ticket holders first chance to buy those seats or upgrade to vacated seats)

Enough dribble on that. F1 (in my opinion) still has 'gimmicks', but they're far less intrusive
to the sport. Cudos to F1! Still, I've always had more respect for F1 drivers.. not only for right turns, but for the skill needed to negotiate a far more intricate track, with far more extremes in basically every aspect of racing. But, alas, living where I do seeing a F1 race in person is not likely.

Having lost the NASCAR bug, I went to IMSA, because the US Gran Prix requires re-mortgaging my house to see live, where as IMSA is still quite affordable, (Sebring is close by, and where I drove my '06 Speed 6) and is a viable road course org. with varied classes and competitive racing. From atop the grandstand you can see a fair portion of the track.

Racing 'live' is the best. TV can't capture everything, and often proves it can't. The one
thing NASCAR did right with ovals, is made the whole race viewable with descent seats.
I was never limited by the restricted view of a camera, and went to races to see everything the cameras missed. On road courses, that isn't possible, which detracts from the 'live' aspect of the spectator experience. A far more expensive ticket, and seeing less of the race made NASCAR a good venue over any road course venue for the 'live' experience.

The media has gotten much better at televising F1 racing, and covers more than ever,
but it's mostly limited to the top half of the leaderboard. The rest of the track is still
racing to win. We miss most of that, and some great driving too.

Just my $.02 on racing and my perception on what I see. (literally)

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HiFi

· #5,168 · 6 mo ago

Kevan said:
17 not 16

15 actually.

Kevan

· #5,169 · 6 mo ago

HiFi said:
15 actually.

He said the best car won 16 races...it was 17.

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Kevan

· #5,170 · 6 mo ago

cbwho said:
This year I bought the F1 internet package and it's great. I've been watching F1 for 22 years and Liberty Media has done a great job injecting energy into the sport.

For those of us who have been F1 fans for 30, 40, 50 or more years, a lot would say Liberty have done a great job of ruining F1.

HiFi

· #5,171 · 6 mo ago

Kevan said:
He said the best car won 16 races...it was 17.

Apologies.

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cbwho

· #5,172 · 6 mo ago (Edited)

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Kevan said:
For those of us who have been F1 fans for 30, 40, 50 or more years, a lot would say Liberty have done a great job of ruining F1.

I think those who say that may actually be complaining about of the country of origin of Liberty Media versus anything else .
Remember during Bernie's reign, they tried 1 lap qualifying, stopped refueling, started DRS, etc etc...

Gripping Pneus

· #5,173 · 6 mo ago

He said "have done a great job" not "have not done a great job", so this was a positive comment.

I thought that the FIA ran F1. Liberty promotes it. I hesitate to say "owns" because I don't see how anyone can "own" a concept.

The FIA is certainly better than when the FIA's autocratic ego-troubled Jean Marie Balestre ran it.

rem

· #5,174 · 6 mo ago

Well that's it till next spring.

I wish I were a bear.

Rob

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Trisha

· #5,175 · 6 mo ago

'Tis indeed, Rob. We'll celebrate Christmas and '5 mins' later, we'll be in front of the fool's lantern ready for the new season. Time passes so quickly that this season will soon be forgotten, and we will emerge from our snowholes for another year of the usual, as we always have. The alternative? None I know of.

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Trisha

· #5,176 · 6 mo ago

Rob's idea of hibernating for winter isn't a bad one.

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Trisha

· #5,177 · 6 mo ago

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Rob

Here's what people of my age do as an alternative to watching Eff 1 and hibernating in the off- season.

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Kevan

· #5,178 · 6 mo ago

China's 'zero Covid' policy means no F1 for them in 2023...karma works in weird and wonderfully predictive ways at times.

Trisha

· #5,179 · 6 mo ago

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Setting the alarm for the start of next season.

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beardy56

Discussion Starter · #5,180 · 6 mo ago

We have to keep telling ourselves it's not about the money. 🤪

BBC F1 news

F1 is also in talks to extend Azerbaijan's race contract, which is due to end next year.

F1 had been expected to drop the race to make way for other new entrants, such as the planned race at Kyalami in South Africa.

But Azerbaijan, which pays one of the largest fees of any race, is expected to sign a new 10-year deal.

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