Eldest son has Sky, piggy back F1 off his account, certainly wouldn't pay for it.
F1 - A general conversation
With all the subject matter being raised in the various F1 topics on here I thought I would start a general topic for any this not related to a particular race.
I came across this a few days ago
The 1965 Dutch GP.
And it just goes to show that some things haven't really changed. This race was just about halfway through the season and Clark is already just about confirmed as champion and the gaps between the leading cars at the end? Raymond Baxter calls this a close and exciting race, wonder what he would make of current F1 races?
This was Jim Clark's 5th win out of six races, he also won the next race in Germany. The only one of the first six races he didn't win he didn't take part in, Monaco, which was won by Graham Hill in a BRM who won the next two races after Germany with Jackie Stewart and the Hill again. Honda broke the mould with their first win in the final race in Mexico with Richie Ginter.
Championship :-
1st Jim Clark 54 Points (all his 6 points scores were wins and all counted, best 6 finishes only counted)
2nd Graham Hill 40 points
3rd Jackie Stewart 33 points
4th Dan Gurney 25 points
5th John Surtees 17 points
6th Lorenzo Bandini 13 points
7th Richie Ginther 11 points
8th Mike Spence & Bruce McLaren 10 points
another seven drivers scored points and after that another 24 drives competed in at lease one of the ten races that year.
That's 40 drivers competing in total and another 11 who attempted to qualify.
The Constructors championship was ( only the 1st placed car in each team counted)
1st Team Lotus - Lotus-Climax 54 points (Jim Clark, Mike Spence and two other drivers )
2nd Owen Racing Organisation - BRM 45 points (Graham Hill & Jackie Stewart)
3rd Brabham Racing Organisation - Brabham-Climax 27 points (Jack Brabham, Dan Gurney, Denny Hulme and 1 other driver)
4th Ferrari - Ferrari 26 points (Lorenzo Bandini, John Surtess (8 races), Pedro Rodriguez (2 races) and 3 other drivers)
5th Cooper Car Comapny - Cooper_Climax 14 points (Bruce McLaren and Jochen Rindt)
6th Honda R & D Company - Honda 11 points (Ronnie Bucknum & Richie Ginther)
7th RRC Walker Racing Team - Brabham-BRM 5 points (Jo Siffert also Jo Bonnier in a Brabham - Climax)
8th Reg Parnell Racing - Lotus--BRM 2 points Richard Attwood, Innes Ireland, Mike hailwood, Chris Amon and 2 other drivers)
with 3 other teams racing and another 3 teams that did not qualify for any races.
I came across this a few days ago
The 1965 Dutch GP.
And it just goes to show that some things haven't really changed. This race was just about halfway through the season and Clark is already just about confirmed as champion and the gaps between the leading cars at the end? Raymond Baxter calls this a close and exciting race, wonder what he would make of current F1 races?
This was Jim Clark's 5th win out of six races, he also won the next race in Germany. The only one of the first six races he didn't win he didn't take part in, Monaco, which was won by Graham Hill in a BRM who won the next two races after Germany with Jackie Stewart and the Hill again. Honda broke the mould with their first win in the final race in Mexico with Richie Ginter.
Championship :-
1st Jim Clark 54 Points (all his 6 points scores were wins and all counted, best 6 finishes only counted)
2nd Graham Hill 40 points
3rd Jackie Stewart 33 points
4th Dan Gurney 25 points
5th John Surtees 17 points
6th Lorenzo Bandini 13 points
7th Richie Ginther 11 points
8th Mike Spence & Bruce McLaren 10 points
another seven drivers scored points and after that another 24 drives competed in at lease one of the ten races that year.
That's 40 drivers competing in total and another 11 who attempted to qualify.
The Constructors championship was ( only the 1st placed car in each team counted)
1st Team Lotus - Lotus-Climax 54 points (Jim Clark, Mike Spence and two other drivers )
2nd Owen Racing Organisation - BRM 45 points (Graham Hill & Jackie Stewart)
3rd Brabham Racing Organisation - Brabham-Climax 27 points (Jack Brabham, Dan Gurney, Denny Hulme and 1 other driver)
4th Ferrari - Ferrari 26 points (Lorenzo Bandini, John Surtess (8 races), Pedro Rodriguez (2 races) and 3 other drivers)
5th Cooper Car Comapny - Cooper_Climax 14 points (Bruce McLaren and Jochen Rindt)
6th Honda R & D Company - Honda 11 points (Ronnie Bucknum & Richie Ginther)
7th RRC Walker Racing Team - Brabham-BRM 5 points (Jo Siffert also Jo Bonnier in a Brabham - Climax)
8th Reg Parnell Racing - Lotus--BRM 2 points Richard Attwood, Innes Ireland, Mike hailwood, Chris Amon and 2 other drivers)
with 3 other teams racing and another 3 teams that did not qualify for any races.
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Do you chaps envisage losing interest in Eff 1 one day? I confess to an interest that is no longer what it might be, and for a variety of reasons. I've never regarded Eff1 as pillar and pinnacle, but frequently perceive it these days as a calculated pastime for children who've lived just long enough to be considered as borderline adults.
If I'm honest I lost interest in Formula effing One a good while back. 🥴
it's been up its own backside for some time.
I get sick to the back teeth of hearing, " Formula One is the pinnacle of motorsport " 🤑
I get sick to the back teeth of hearing, " Formula One is the pinnacle of motorsport " 🤑
- Pinnacle in costs to join the circus
- Pinnacle in driver salary
- Pinnacle in costs to watch
- Pinnacle in race budgets
- Pinnacle in distance the teams travel in a season
- Pinnacle in 🐂💩
I became hooked on F1 and sports car racing in 1959. Sports cars went out of the window years ago but the F1 habit remains. Some might call this a perversion.
Rob
Rob
Current ripping yarn...
F1 champions are “not valid” until Russian F1 drivers are allowed to return to the sport, according to ex-driver Vitaly Petrov
F1 champions are “not valid” until Russian F1 drivers are allowed to return to the sport, according to ex-driver Vitaly Petrov
Exactly, I wasn't aware a Russian F1 driver was a valid term in any era never mind the current one
Rumblings of Leclerc to Merc and Llando to Ferrari, sounds plausible.
Ferrari has been the graveyard for many F1 drivers, why would Lando bury his career while he is very much in the ascendant? Unless he wants a nice red car and race suit, oh and the money too!Rumblings of Leclerc to Merc and Llando to Ferrari, sounds plausible.
Also as any driver joining MB would be to replace a retiring LH would Charles want to be up against George in the same car?
I'm still unconvinced about Leclerc...
As is most of Italy.
“We need a killer like Michael or Max or Lewis,” said one concerned citizen when I was there last summer.
“We need a killer like Michael or Max or Lewis,” said one concerned citizen when I was there last summer.
Michael could have killed Rubens Barrichello when he squeezed him into the pit wall. I personally don’t want to see any more drivers doing that.
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It is my belief that all drivers wish to one day drive for Ferarri. As you say it is the red suit. Like the Red Arrows.Ferrari has been the graveyard for many F1 drivers, why would Lando bury his career while he is very much in the ascendant? Unless he wants a nice red car and race suit, oh and the money too!
Karma awaits all.Michael could have killed Rubens Barrichello when he squeezed him into the pit wall. I personally don’t want to see any more drivers doing that.
Well you’re not going to do much about driving standards unless you’ve got a time machine and can encourage Senna not to behave in the way that he did. The FIA did too little and now he’s the inspiration for each passing generation.
But general driving standards aside, right now Ferrari seems to have a pair of Portagos when they need a Moss or a Fangio up front.
Although given the chaotic management in place this year, it could well be a miracle if they manage to collect the wooden spoon.
But general driving standards aside, right now Ferrari seems to have a pair of Portagos when they need a Moss or a Fangio up front.
Although given the chaotic management in place this year, it could well be a miracle if they manage to collect the wooden spoon.
Behave in what way?
He'd have made a great politician
Johnny Herbert and Paul di Resta no longer part of the SkyF1 team...apparently not to be replaced.
Johnny Herbert was one of the reasons I liked SkyF1 coverage
Johnny Herbert was one of the reasons I liked SkyF1 coverage
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