Online scribblers keep hinting, mischievously, that Lewis could go to Ferrari next season. Presumably, this seemingly unlikely scenario would be in place of Sainz. I can't see it as likely, but stranger things have happened and sometimes do.
F1 - A general conversation
With all the subject matter being raised in the various F1 topics on here I thought I would start a general topic for any this not related to a particular race.
I came across this a few days ago
The 1965 Dutch GP.
And it just goes to show that some things haven't really changed. This race was just about halfway through the season and Clark is already just about confirmed as champion and the gaps between the leading cars at the end? Raymond Baxter calls this a close and exciting race, wonder what he would make of current F1 races?
This was Jim Clark's 5th win out of six races, he also won the next race in Germany. The only one of the first six races he didn't win he didn't take part in, Monaco, which was won by Graham Hill in a BRM who won the next two races after Germany with Jackie Stewart and the Hill again. Honda broke the mould with their first win in the final race in Mexico with Richie Ginter.
Championship :-
1st Jim Clark 54 Points (all his 6 points scores were wins and all counted, best 6 finishes only counted)
2nd Graham Hill 40 points
3rd Jackie Stewart 33 points
4th Dan Gurney 25 points
5th John Surtees 17 points
6th Lorenzo Bandini 13 points
7th Richie Ginther 11 points
8th Mike Spence & Bruce McLaren 10 points
another seven drivers scored points and after that another 24 drives competed in at lease one of the ten races that year.
That's 40 drivers competing in total and another 11 who attempted to qualify.
The Constructors championship was ( only the 1st placed car in each team counted)
1st Team Lotus - Lotus-Climax 54 points (Jim Clark, Mike Spence and two other drivers )
2nd Owen Racing Organisation - BRM 45 points (Graham Hill & Jackie Stewart)
3rd Brabham Racing Organisation - Brabham-Climax 27 points (Jack Brabham, Dan Gurney, Denny Hulme and 1 other driver)
4th Ferrari - Ferrari 26 points (Lorenzo Bandini, John Surtess (8 races), Pedro Rodriguez (2 races) and 3 other drivers)
5th Cooper Car Comapny - Cooper_Climax 14 points (Bruce McLaren and Jochen Rindt)
6th Honda R & D Company - Honda 11 points (Ronnie Bucknum & Richie Ginther)
7th RRC Walker Racing Team - Brabham-BRM 5 points (Jo Siffert also Jo Bonnier in a Brabham - Climax)
8th Reg Parnell Racing - Lotus--BRM 2 points Richard Attwood, Innes Ireland, Mike hailwood, Chris Amon and 2 other drivers)
with 3 other teams racing and another 3 teams that did not qualify for any races.
I came across this a few days ago
The 1965 Dutch GP.
And it just goes to show that some things haven't really changed. This race was just about halfway through the season and Clark is already just about confirmed as champion and the gaps between the leading cars at the end? Raymond Baxter calls this a close and exciting race, wonder what he would make of current F1 races?
This was Jim Clark's 5th win out of six races, he also won the next race in Germany. The only one of the first six races he didn't win he didn't take part in, Monaco, which was won by Graham Hill in a BRM who won the next two races after Germany with Jackie Stewart and the Hill again. Honda broke the mould with their first win in the final race in Mexico with Richie Ginter.
Championship :-
1st Jim Clark 54 Points (all his 6 points scores were wins and all counted, best 6 finishes only counted)
2nd Graham Hill 40 points
3rd Jackie Stewart 33 points
4th Dan Gurney 25 points
5th John Surtees 17 points
6th Lorenzo Bandini 13 points
7th Richie Ginther 11 points
8th Mike Spence & Bruce McLaren 10 points
another seven drivers scored points and after that another 24 drives competed in at lease one of the ten races that year.
That's 40 drivers competing in total and another 11 who attempted to qualify.
The Constructors championship was ( only the 1st placed car in each team counted)
1st Team Lotus - Lotus-Climax 54 points (Jim Clark, Mike Spence and two other drivers )
2nd Owen Racing Organisation - BRM 45 points (Graham Hill & Jackie Stewart)
3rd Brabham Racing Organisation - Brabham-Climax 27 points (Jack Brabham, Dan Gurney, Denny Hulme and 1 other driver)
4th Ferrari - Ferrari 26 points (Lorenzo Bandini, John Surtess (8 races), Pedro Rodriguez (2 races) and 3 other drivers)
5th Cooper Car Comapny - Cooper_Climax 14 points (Bruce McLaren and Jochen Rindt)
6th Honda R & D Company - Honda 11 points (Ronnie Bucknum & Richie Ginther)
7th RRC Walker Racing Team - Brabham-BRM 5 points (Jo Siffert also Jo Bonnier in a Brabham - Climax)
8th Reg Parnell Racing - Lotus--BRM 2 points Richard Attwood, Innes Ireland, Mike hailwood, Chris Amon and 2 other drivers)
with 3 other teams racing and another 3 teams that did not qualify for any races.
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I'd love to see Fernando win but can't see it with Perez ahead not in any mood to do his team mate any favours this year after last years stab in the back.
George getting on with it, Lewis in decline???
George getting on with it, Lewis in decline???
When I watch an Eff 1 race today, I always think of Jenks, who held strong but reasoned, views about GP drivers. Most of the really good ones, he claimed, often drove at nine-tenths, but only the aces were capable of ten-tenths. By ten-tenths he meant that a driver was willing and able to push the limits between life and death.
One example I saw was Keke at the 1985 British GP, when he did a lap of Silverstone at an average of 160mph. To accomplish this he knew he was risking all, by not braking for Stowe. To scrub speed off, he momentarily took his foot off the throttle and lost 25mph, and slammed his foot hard down again.
It was a huge risk, and Keke knew that, but it paid off. When out of the car in the pits, he shook like a leaf for several minutes and smoked more cigarettes than ever, but he'd happily written himself into the record books.
Do we see drivers at ten-tenths today? Frankly, I don't know, but I wonder from the lacklustre performances from even top drivers whether they even reach nine-tenths.
One example I saw was Keke at the 1985 British GP, when he did a lap of Silverstone at an average of 160mph. To accomplish this he knew he was risking all, by not braking for Stowe. To scrub speed off, he momentarily took his foot off the throttle and lost 25mph, and slammed his foot hard down again.
It was a huge risk, and Keke knew that, but it paid off. When out of the car in the pits, he shook like a leaf for several minutes and smoked more cigarettes than ever, but he'd happily written himself into the record books.
Do we see drivers at ten-tenths today? Frankly, I don't know, but I wonder from the lacklustre performances from even top drivers whether they even reach nine-tenths.
I read that Fangio was in the same state after his 57 German GP win and said that he never wanted to drive like that again
I have to say I don't agree with that Trisha.
When you see the in helmet footage of going through those curves at full speed I'd say that many of them are risking everything.
They are certainly reacting quicker than I can think...
Of course I may be wrong.
Andi
When you see the in helmet footage of going through those curves at full speed I'd say that many of them are risking everything.
They are certainly reacting quicker than I can think...
Of course I may be wrong.
Andi
Absolutely true, Gripping. And Fangio had the sense to retire whilst at the top.
I remember that very well! I was a huge fan of Keke and almost every newspaper carried the story on the front page with a shot of Keke absolutely on or perhaps even over the limit with the Williams going through a corner flat out on 3 wheels, the forth a couple of inches clear of the track!When I watch an Eff 1 race today, I always think of Jenks, who held strong but reasoned, views about GP drivers. Most of the really good ones, he claimed, often drove at nine-tenths, but only the aces were capable of ten-tenths. By ten-tenths he meant that a driver was willing and able to push the limits between life and death.
One example I saw was Keke at the 1985 British GP, when he did a lap of Silverstone at an average of 160mph. To accomplish this he knew he was risking all, by not braking for Stowe. To scrub speed off, he momentarily took his foot off the throttle and lost 25mph, and slammed his foot hard down again.
It was a huge risk, and Keke knew that, but it paid off. When out of the car in the pits, he shook like a leaf for several minutes and smoked more cigarettes than ever, but he'd happily written himself into the record books.
Do we see drivers at ten-tenths today? Frankly, I don't know, but I wonder from the lacklustre performances from even top drivers whether they even reach nine-tenths.
Keke Rosberg recalls setting the fastest F1 lap of all time
Date 20 July 1985, 3.12pm Location Silverstone Circuit, Northamptonshire Event Final qualifying, British Grand Prix Point of interest The fastest F1 lap of all time Before qualifying for the 1985…
www.motorsportmagazine.com
Kevan asks above if we're seeing Lewis in decline. On the face of it, it would seem so, but I suspect that we'd see competitive performances from him if the Merc were on top. But would he beat George? On George's current form I think Lewis would have his work cut out.
Andi
I take your point but continue to question what some so-called drivers are actually doing in Formula One. We know that a handful are there because they've bought a seat.
In recent years we've seen the dangerous antics of Maldonado and Growbag, and last season, the latter came in for vociferous criticism from fellow Indycar drivers.
Jenks often managed a dry wry smile at those who used to write 'Racing Driver' under Occupation? in the old- style passports years ago. I can't help doing the same today.
I take your point but continue to question what some so-called drivers are actually doing in Formula One. We know that a handful are there because they've bought a seat.
In recent years we've seen the dangerous antics of Maldonado and Growbag, and last season, the latter came in for vociferous criticism from fellow Indycar drivers.
Jenks often managed a dry wry smile at those who used to write 'Racing Driver' under Occupation? in the old- style passports years ago. I can't help doing the same today.
He was 46 by that time though...Absolutely true, Gripping. And Fangio had the sense to retire whilst at the top.
and that he'll never get the chance to prove as MB won't get a chance to 'be on top' again until the next major rule change...by which time SLH will be retired or just too old to be competitive.... but I suspect that we'd see competitive performances from him if the Merc were on top.
Like in most things age does count against you and in todays F1 you age fairly quickly , you are at your peak in your late 20,s early 30's so i was told by a specialist some time ago , and in motor racing your acute senses are always at work so the odd blip in concentration or just that slightly differant line can upset your performance.
The exception at the moment could be Alonso who seems to have found his youth again, but it won't last , and can be compounded by results , what is that they say about a Indian Summer, had mine 30 years ago chuckle.
The exception at the moment could be Alonso who seems to have found his youth again, but it won't last , and can be compounded by results , what is that they say about a Indian Summer, had mine 30 years ago chuckle.
Peaking physically and mentally is an interesting subject in which a number of disciplines have published erudite papers with persuasive argument. There are, of course, people who buck the trend, and it could be mooted that Fangio was in this special minority.
Today, Alonso is held as a 'veteran' who seems to be driving better than ever, and Lewis isn't all that far off his 40th birthday.
On the other hand there is the Fibonacci Code that argues most people produce their best work (in most fields) when they are roughly two-thirds of the way through their lives. There are many examples in the world of composing and art. You might like to think of your own lives, therefore, and ask yourself if you've yet peaked in your chosen field.
Today, Alonso is held as a 'veteran' who seems to be driving better than ever, and Lewis isn't all that far off his 40th birthday.
On the other hand there is the Fibonacci Code that argues most people produce their best work (in most fields) when they are roughly two-thirds of the way through their lives. There are many examples in the world of composing and art. You might like to think of your own lives, therefore, and ask yourself if you've yet peaked in your chosen field.
Predictable result 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴
Well that was interesting,no not the bleedin race, the delay.
We were en route back from sons volleyball match in Sunderland this afternoon, SWMBO at the wheel,son in passenger seat, myself in the back, Radio 5 was on, footie then effing one,I started watching the race on my phone and noticed that the sky coverage was just over 2 minutes behind what we were listening to from auntie beeb, anythings better than crofty to be honest.
Does Sky deliberately delay by two minutes I ask.
We were en route back from sons volleyball match in Sunderland this afternoon, SWMBO at the wheel,son in passenger seat, myself in the back, Radio 5 was on, footie then effing one,I started watching the race on my phone and noticed that the sky coverage was just over 2 minutes behind what we were listening to from auntie beeb, anythings better than crofty to be honest.
Does Sky deliberately delay by two minutes I ask.
Probably Liberty Media.
Delays are done so if something happens that must not be show on tv they can adjust it.
I think “nipple gate”, a boob was showen during half time of a American football match, triggered it.
Delays are done so if something happens that must not be show on tv they can adjust it.
I think “nipple gate”, a boob was showen during half time of a American football match, triggered it.
I've just watched the Jeddah race and, possibly like most racing folk, feel that the FIA is long overdue for a good long shakeup in an old potato sack. Uncle Bonkers has got lots of spare old hessian sacks, and I happen to know a bunch of useful chaps who really wouldn't mind doing the shaking.
What a shower of no-users (as we say in Herefordshire).
What a shower of no-users (as we say in Herefordshire).
Incidentally, does anyone know or understand why this season's Red Bulls are, seemingly, so much faster than everyone else's cars? It isn't making much sense to me at present.
Laurence it would appear to mostly be down to the very efferent rear wing design which in the DRS zones is adding up to 17 KPH to the speed of the car. The more DRS running the bigger the difference.
Don't know if it still applies but back in the day when I had a Sky dish and subscription there was always a delay between terrestrial and satellite transmissions. I could start to watch something on say BBC1 and then switch to the Sky transmission of it and watch the last minute or so of it again. I would also assume there is a small delay caused by encoding and transmitting the signal digitally.
Don't know if it still applies but back in the day when I had a Sky dish and subscription there was always a delay between terrestrial and satellite transmissions. I could start to watch something on say BBC1 and then switch to the Sky transmission of it and watch the last minute or so of it again. I would also assume there is a small delay caused by encoding and transmitting the signal digitally.
Thanks, Keith. It seems possible that the Red Buĺls could have both Championships sewn up very early this season, unless the FIA penalise them for standing on cracks in the pitlane tarmac', failing to stand vertically to attention during sundry national anthems, and criticising classic books like The Three Bears.
All transgressions carry a 30sec time penalty.
All transgressions carry a 30sec time penalty.
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