F1 - A general conversation

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beardy56

Discussion Starter · Jul 22, 2019

With all the subject matter being raised in the various F1 topics on here I thought I would start a general topic for any this not related to a particular race.

I came across this a few days ago

The 1965 Dutch GP.

And it just goes to show that some things haven't really changed. This race was just about halfway through the season and Clark is already just about confirmed as champion and the gaps between the leading cars at the end? Raymond Baxter calls this a close and exciting race, wonder what he would make of current F1 races?

This was Jim Clark's 5th win out of six races, he also won the next race in Germany. The only one of the first six races he didn't win he didn't take part in, Monaco, which was won by Graham Hill in a BRM who won the next two races after Germany with Jackie Stewart and the Hill again. Honda broke the mould with their first win in the final race in Mexico with Richie Ginter.

Championship :-

1st Jim Clark 54 Points (all his 6 points scores were wins and all counted, best 6 finishes only counted)

2nd Graham Hill 40 points

3rd Jackie Stewart 33 points

4th Dan Gurney 25 points

5th John Surtees 17 points

6th Lorenzo Bandini 13 points

7th Richie Ginther 11 points

8th Mike Spence & Bruce McLaren 10 points

another seven drivers scored points and after that another 24 drives competed in at lease one of the ten races that year.

That's 40 drivers competing in total and another 11 who attempted to qualify.

The Constructors championship was ( only the 1st placed car in each team counted)

1st Team Lotus - Lotus-Climax 54 points (Jim Clark, Mike Spence and two other drivers )

2nd Owen Racing Organisation - BRM 45 points (Graham Hill & Jackie Stewart)

3rd Brabham Racing Organisation - Brabham-Climax 27 points (Jack Brabham, Dan Gurney, Denny Hulme and 1 other driver)

4th Ferrari - Ferrari 26 points (Lorenzo Bandini, John Surtess (8 races), Pedro Rodriguez (2 races) and 3 other drivers)

5th Cooper Car Comapny - Cooper_Climax 14 points (Bruce McLaren and Jochen Rindt)

6th Honda R & D Company - Honda 11 points (Ronnie Bucknum & Richie Ginther)

7th RRC Walker Racing Team - Brabham-BRM 5 points (Jo Siffert also Jo Bonnier in a Brabham - Climax)

8th Reg Parnell Racing - Lotus--BRM 2 points Richard Attwood, Innes Ireland, Mike hailwood, Chris Amon and 2 other drivers)

with 3 other teams racing and another 3 teams that did not qualify for any races.

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Kevan

· #5,621 · 2 mo ago

Somebody mentioned Lewis complaining that George wouldn't let him pass...I must have missed that when I fell asleep with boredom.

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Kevan

· #5,622 · 2 mo ago

...and here we are after only two races and RB have more points than the next two teams combined...maybe I was being a little cautious when guessing the season will be over by the 8th Oct

longdog

· #5,623 · 2 mo ago

Kevan said:
Somebody mentioned Lewis complaining that George wouldn't let him pass...I must have missed that when I fell asleep with boredom.

Lewis has said that he has “never seen a car so fast” as the Red Bulls. I assume that in his advancing years, he has forgotten just how totally dominant the Mercedes has been for several years on their way to Manufacturers and Drivers Championships.

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Trisha

· #5,624 · 2 mo ago

I'm rather surprised that McLaren have slipped so far down the grid so quickly.

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Trisha

· #5,625 · 2 mo ago

Colour, noise, speed, and 20,000bhp...

All the ingredients of motor sport, except motor racing.

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tangerinedream

· #5,626 · 2 mo ago

At least the green bull of Fernando has been reinstated to third, after being demoted to forth and George promoted to third, due to the lack of clarity in the regulations about how Fernando's 5 second penalty was served in the pits, compare the FIA to not being able to get drunk in a brewery.

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driver#8

· #5,627 · 2 mo ago

longdog said:
Lewis has said that he has “never seen a car so fast” as the Red Bulls. I assume that in his advancing years, he has forgotten just how totally dominant the Mercedes has been for several years on their way to Manufacturers and Drivers Championships.

Racing drivers have an unerring ability to convince themselves that they are out-performing their machinery. 🤣

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Charles R

· #5,628 · 2 mo ago

Kevan said:
I must have missed that when I fell asleep with boredom.

I have mixed feelings regarding cars being competitive with each other or letting the cars themselves dominate the race.

Take the SRX Racing series where the cars are setup identically and in theory the driver determines the outcome. They even reverse the starting order for the second Heat Race to make the racing more competitive in the Main Event. In this series the track themselves plays the biggest role as the drivers with the most experience on that type of track/surface typically places in the front or wins. Regardless of how they attempt to make "things" even there is typically one or two drivers that dominate the event.

Now with F1 (from what I can see) it's nearly the exact opposite. The car itself pretty much dominates the race. Is that good or bad? I guess it depends on what you consider racing to be. I tend to lean towards car development being as important as the driver. And to a large degree it just places a different group at the top (based on the car not the driver's ability).

So I see cars and drivers being of equal importance. If one or the other can dominate that's fine by me. What isn't fine is if the course itself doesn't allow opportunities to pass. If it doesn't why bother to have the race itself. Let qualifying determine the winner. As far as a lacking of competition I can recall the Turbines at Indy... was very entertaining watching it destroy the field until that $5 part broke!

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Trisha

· #5,629 · 2 mo ago

A wheel locks up causing tyre smoke. Something to be excited about, apparently, especially if you're a hysterical commentator.

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tangerinedream

· #5,630 · 2 mo ago

Mmmm, I can think of many words to describe Croftys ramblings on Sky.

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Kevan

· #5,631 · 2 mo ago

tangerinedream said:
Mmmm, I can think of many words to describe Croftys ramblings on Sky.

verbal 💩

Trisha

· #5,632 · 2 mo ago

Come back Zeltweg, and other dull airfield circuits, all is forgiven.

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Trisha

· #5,633 · 2 mo ago

It seems that any plans Porsche might have had for joining Eff 1 in 2026 are now dead. Hurrah! Common sense at last. The Stuttgart company can now concentrate upon what it's best at, which has always been in the world of sports racing cars.

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Trisha

· #5,634 · 2 mo ago

A bit like Noah's Ark, eh? In they went two at a time, and bored most of us to sleep.

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Kevan

· #5,635 · 2 mo ago

Sad but true

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Trisha

· #5,636 · 2 mo ago

Stirling Moss's widow, Susie, has died aged 69.

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tangerinedream

· #5,637 · 2 mo ago

Yes saw that earlier, they'd had a good innings together,she opened the new library at my youngest son's school about ten years ago, can't remember why exactly, must have been friends with one of the school governors.

Trisha

· #5,638 · 2 mo ago

Having watched the first two races of the 2023 Eff 1 season, Rupert tears up his ticket for the British GP, and decides to go fishing instead.

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Kevan

· #5,639 · 2 mo ago

HE'S BACK!

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Kevan

· #5,640 · 2 mo ago

F1...a high speed version of this...

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