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F1 - A general conversation

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beardy56
With all the subject matter being raised in the various F1 topics on here I thought I would start a general topic for any this not related to a particular race.

I came across this a few days ago


The 1965 Dutch GP.

And it just goes to show that some things haven't really changed. This race was just about halfway through the season and Clark is already just about confirmed as champion and the gaps between the leading cars at the end? Raymond Baxter calls this a close and exciting race, wonder what he would make of current F1 races?

This was Jim Clark's 5th win out of six races, he also won the next race in Germany. The only one of the first six races he didn't win he didn't take part in, Monaco, which was won by Graham Hill in a BRM who won the next two races after Germany with Jackie Stewart and the Hill again. Honda broke the mould with their first win in the final race in Mexico with Richie Ginter.

Championship :-

1st Jim Clark 54 Points (all his 6 points scores were wins and all counted, best 6 finishes only counted)

2nd Graham Hill 40 points

3rd Jackie Stewart 33 points

4th Dan Gurney 25 points

5th John Surtees 17 points

6th Lorenzo Bandini 13 points

7th Richie Ginther 11 points

8th Mike Spence & Bruce McLaren 10 points

another seven drivers scored points and after that another 24 drives competed in at lease one of the ten races that year.

That's 40 drivers competing in total and another 11 who attempted to qualify.

The Constructors championship was ( only the 1st placed car in each team counted)

1st Team Lotus - Lotus-Climax 54 points (Jim Clark, Mike Spence and two other drivers )

2nd Owen Racing Organisation - BRM 45 points (Graham Hill & Jackie Stewart)

3rd Brabham Racing Organisation - Brabham-Climax 27 points (Jack Brabham, Dan Gurney, Denny Hulme and 1 other driver)

4th Ferrari - Ferrari 26 points (Lorenzo Bandini, John Surtess (8 races), Pedro Rodriguez (2 races) and 3 other drivers)

5th Cooper Car Comapny - Cooper_Climax 14 points (Bruce McLaren and Jochen Rindt)

6th Honda R & D Company - Honda 11 points (Ronnie Bucknum & Richie Ginther)

7th RRC Walker Racing Team - Brabham-BRM 5 points (Jo Siffert also Jo Bonnier in a Brabham - Climax)

8th Reg Parnell Racing - Lotus--BRM 2 points Richard Attwood, Innes Ireland, Mike hailwood, Chris Amon and 2 other drivers)

with 3 other teams racing and another 3 teams that did not qualify for any races.
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Abarth Mike
Sprint race? Isn't that where everyone tries to win the race in the first corner? Oh wait.....?

How about a sprint race with each team entering one car, the back up, and using the reserve driver?
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rem
And then let the winner start in the GP on Sunday.
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longdog
Anyone remember the good old days when qualifying was all cars on track for 60 minutes on a Saturday afternoon? Of course, you had all the moaning and complaining about who blocked who "on my fastest lap"! Mind you, I did used to love watching the cars on super sticky, one flying lap only qualifying tyres trying hard to get their cars out in the window where there were fewest other cars on track and with the special "qualifying motors" which consumed their own innards after 61 minutes or sometimes much less than 61 minutes! Ah! Those were the days!
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One fad that's gone among drivers in recent years is the practice of placing sticking plasters/tape over the bridge of the nose.

Oh, and while thinking of this subject, they seem to have dropped the other fashion of drinking through the sides of their mouths, too.

Wonder what the next affectation will be.
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Whatever happened to a single-session practice - where your fastest lap denoted your grid position - plus a few minor support races on Saturday afternoon, then a couple more support races before the GP started at 15hr00 on Sunday afternoon and one last support race at 17hr00?
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Them was the days.
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Trisha said:
One fad that's gone among drivers in recent years is the practice of placing sticking plasters/tape over the bridge of the nose.
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Where've you been for the last 20 years
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I think a sprint race could be more interesting then some seem to think. Some cars and drivers seem to perform better with a lighter fuel load. If you are running a car that might finish 9th or 10th on Sunday do you take a chance and set one up to run well on the lighter fuel load to get some points on the Saturday?
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Gripping Pneus
Trisha said:
. It is thought that a 90-minute GP is too long to hold the attention of the sort of folk who, presumably, need instant gratification handed to them on a plate - now.
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Tough! Watch another sport then like you used to and don't try to change mine.

StuBeeDoo said:
Whatever happened to a single-session practice - where your fastest lap denoted your grid position - plus a few minor support races on Saturday afternoon, then a couple more support races before the GP started at 15hr00 on Sunday afternoon and one last support race at 17hr00?
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Bernie happened. All other forms of motor sport had to be suppressed, then he needed something to fill the time.
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Gripping

Couldn't agree with you more. If youngsters can't concentrate for the duration of a GP, I wonder how they'll cope with the everyday grind that constitutes reality for most folk.

A couple of years ago the BBC reported that UK undergrads don't like books. They're too long and difficult to read, apparently...

Plenty of room for despair, therefore.
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It appears that F1 teams have given support for the idea of sprint races this season. A firm decision has yet to be made.
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longdog
It looks like the engine freeze has been approved too.

HAAS Team are in a spot of bother though, the first time their cars will be fired up will be in Bahrain. Their engines are supplied by Ferrari as we know, however, the engines can only be fitted by Ferrari engineers/technicians who accompany the engines from Italy. Due to the pandemic and the rules and regulations that have been introduced, the Italian engineers/technicians would have to isolate for 10 days if they come to U.K., so HAAS will have to wait until Bahrain before running their cars!
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If so-called sprint races turn out to be as 'successful' as the 'knock-out' qualifying of some three years ago, I will quickly conclude that F1 is being run by the sort of folk who need to find something else to amuse themselves.
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Alfonso is reportedly in hospital after a cycling accident.
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Kevan
Looking at mclarens laughable look into the future we can expect computer game style cars with robots to placate those with attention deficit disorders. It wouldn't surprise me to see hidden short cuts, missiles, bandits and maybe even floating coins to drive through.
...methinks mclaren should focus on reality.
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Abarth Mike
Trisha said:
Alfonso is reportedly in hospital after a cycling accident.
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Seems quite a few are injured cycling? Should be banned?
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From Twitter user JonathanDC:

Translated by Google - "Fernando Alonso has suffered an accident when he was hit by a vehicle while riding a bicycle on the roads of Lugano (Switzerland) He has been transferred to a hospital with a possible jaw fracture and several teeth."

From Alipne F1 at 9pmi-sh:

"Alpine F1 Team can confirm that Fernando Alonso has ben involved in a road accident while cycling in Switzerland. Fernando is conscious and is awaiting further medical examinations tomorrow morning"
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Abarth

Ban cyclists?

Cyclists, pedestrians and horse riders have a prior right to use the roads. Their rights take precedence over the rights of other road users, which is why they don't have to pay a licence fee to venture onto the highways.

This is not a matter of opinion, but one of English law, and more importantly, the fundamental rules of elementary jurisprudence.
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longdog
Trisha said:
Alfonso is reportedly in hospital after a cycling accident.
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Be careful out there Trisha on your new-dangled bicycle machine
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Thank you, Mike. I will. I cycle every day, but have had to give it a rare miss for two days. We've got sheet ice up here in the hills, and trying to keep bones intact on that stuff...

Well, it can only end one way.
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Reference Fernando Alonso:

From Alpine F1:
"Medics discovered a fracture in his upper jaw and conducted a successful corrective operation. The attending medical team are satisfied with his progress.
Fernando will remain under observation in hospital for a further 48 hours.
Looking forward, after a few days of complete rest, he will be able to progressively resume training. We expect him to be fully operational to undertake preparation for the season."
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