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Ok, ok I know its been done before (very nicely) within the pages of SF but I couldn't build all my other 70's F1s without having a bash at (re) building the 312T3 could I?

I mean just look at the botch job that Scalextric made of it for heavens sake!



Nose up in the air . . . that ridiculous rear wing and a driver that that looks as if he's sitting on top of the car rather than in it.

Sorry, no! Its an injustice to this beautiful car that can't go on un-remedied.

I'll be working from some lovely blueprints found at CarBlueprints.com



I've already made a start by:

1, Cutting out the driver and lowering him down in the cockpit.
2, Flatting down the side pods which had some hideous plastic shrink marks.
3, Cutting the cockpits sides down (I may have overdone that bit).
4, Machining off the wing mirrors in preparation for the new ones.



Nothing that can't be fixed with Milliput!



I'm going to re work the rear wing quite extensively with revised surfaces and a more realistic position.

The front end is going to be lowered quite a lot and I'll see if I can drop the rear too.

I've also got some gorgeous INDYCALS to go on that make PATTOS (much as I like em!) look like childs wax crayon drawing.

I'll post progress pics as I go along providing I can get into my garage workshop! It was sooooo cold in there tonight! I must be bonkers!
 

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Hi Ian !

A very beautiful work so far !

The inevitable question : what is the wheelbase measure ?

I find amazing the results you get without even substituting wheels and tires !

Congratulations !

By the way, will you try the Hesketh (see the "formula 1 1971 to 1975 - a proposition" thread ) ?

Cheers.

André Acker.
 

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Hi Ian

YES...

...You are bonkers !

Andre

I would be careful if you are relying on data from 'The Ultimate Car Page'.

My recent research toward considering building a Chaparral 2J with working downforce, turned up problems.
Data quoted was inconsistent with that from the well know Chaparral book by Richard Falconer.
Who's correct ?
I know where my money's at.

Also in researching my 'Yellow Teapot'.
'The Ultimate Car Page' I believe quoted the Renault as having an all alloy engine.
The Wikipedia artical quoted the engine had some steel castings to withstand turbo pressure.
Who's correct ?
I don't know.

Whilst this is quite academic in 1:32, it is important to consider the sources of ones information & 'Ultimately' if they are at all reliable.
3 or 4 different sources would be useful.
Even then, they could have all copied the source with the wrong data.
Figures of a technical nature should not be trusted from the internet, or other sources for that matter, without much cross referances.

Formulas can be re-calculated; with scale models this is not so easy.
Drawings are often best, as the period draughtsman without a computer, would not spend hours drawing the wrong thing.
Modern internet data-entry ???
Wouldn't trust it myself.

Cheers

Si.
 

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QUOTE (andre acker @ 8 Feb 2012, 01:00) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Ian !

A very beautiful work so far !

The inevitable question : what is the wheelbase measure ?

DUNNO!


I find amazing the results you get without even substituting wheels and tires !

Its the skill see!

Congratulations !

Ta!

By the way, will you try the Hesketh (see the "formula 1 1971 to 1975 - a proposition" thread ) ?

No thanks chum not for me! I prefer to build my own stuff.

Cheers.

André Acker.
 

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Hi Ian,

Looks good mate. Im a little suprised at your rude response to Andre's polite comment, so maybe you could post what the wheelbase, track, height, width and length are of this Scaley model?

Regards
Jon
 

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Errrr, i'm a bit confused at your response to André, Ian. I'm not aware that you've built any of "your own stuff".

Surely they are (were) all scaley shells? Or did I miss something?

Cheers
Andi
 

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Scaley shells, resin shells what's the difference its all good work. Some of these transformations involve more work than starting from scratch. I like your no nonsense approach to your builds Ian and the results are really good, keep em coming.
 

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Hi Ian,

I wonder if I said or asked something offensive ...

Maybe I got you in a bad day !

It is just a simple question about the wb, that can be answered after measuring it.

I know I have been posting too much lately (I do not kown if there is a legal limit to be observed), perhaps tiring you all
with my obsessions ...

When I ask about the wb is just to know if the model is too short or if it can be transformed into something better.

At this moment, I am following some 312t3s on ebay but I will not fight for them if the wb is not similar to scale.

And considering the subject, do you thing it is possible to transplant the Ferrari 312t3 nose to the Ferrari 312t ?

As you advised me a few days ago, go have some beers and see some girls !
Calm down, man !

All the best !

André Acker.
 

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QUOTE (MAF @ 8 Feb 2012, 16:01) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Scaley shells, resin shells what's the difference its all good work. Some of these transformations involve more work than starting from scratch. I like your no nonsense approach to your builds Ian and the results are really good, keep em coming.

Cheers mate! Thanks for the vote of support.

Thats my view too, if you check out my Tyrrell 006 build thread (see signature below) I think you'd have to agree that its a 90% scratchbuild.

Same with the WR1 Wolf build too.

Didn't realise it was the Spanish Inquisition around here!

As for wheelbase dimensions I don't think that it really matters either way as long as you get the essense of the car that you are trying to acheive.

I haven't got the car handy at the moment to start measuring wheeelbases and so on.

I also wouldn't go to the trouble of grafting a T3 nose onto the 312T. Have a look at this pic for reference

PS I am calm . . . . at the moment!
 

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Sorry Ian for invading your thread ...

I am not the Spanish inquisition, you could say the Brazilian inquisition !

I have nothing against your work, I really like it and I agree that the final result is what counts.

But, if you have a too wide f1 car (or "scale" wide car) with a short wb, it will look square !

And before you get offended again, I am not saying your f1s are square ...

Anyway, thank you for not informing me the wb !

Go for some beers and girls, you look like passing through an "abstinence crisis" !

André Acker.
 

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Hi Ian,

Not trying to have a go at you, but as far as I am concerned, if it is not close to scale, then I'm not interested. I admit some
Artistic license is acceptable, but it's all about balance.

For Andre and those interested, I have dug out my Ferrari and put the callipers over it.

Wheelbase-77.1mm
Body width, from back of driver-48.5mm
Length(wing to rear wing mount)-12.9mm
 

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QUOTE (ferraif40 @ 8 Feb 2012, 17:55) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Not trying to have a go at you, but as far as I am concerned, if it is not close to scale, then I'm not interested.

For goodness sake
move on if you're not interested, not every thread on this section has to be about exact scale cars does it? It's about the work involved, the methods and the final result that puts a smile on your face that count, not if it measures up under the scrutiny of a vernier every time.
 

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I agree absolutely Marlon, I think Ian's builds (and everyone else's) has a real character, and it is good to see new life breathed into these models. Maybe my comment of not being interested unless it is too scale is a little too harsh and sort of blanket covers everything. What I mean is I do prefer 'to scale' items, however Ian's cars are really cracking. Although maybe the original shells are not perfectly to scale, these restored cars are still very good.

Sorry for invading your thread Ian, nowt against you mate
. I'll get my coat..
 

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Thanks ferraif40 !

That's the sort of info I needed !
Now, back to ebay.

MAF,

I did not criticize Ian's work (which I sincerely admire, especially that Wolf !), I just put a question to him,
considering he had his hands on the Ferrari.

Anyway, I will not loose more time on this.
This is not the purpose of SlotForum.
And we have to respect the other Forum members.

But I still think you two are over stressed !

André Acker.
 

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André, you're right, after this I need to lie down in a dark room and listen to whale music


I don't have a grump logo for nothing you know
 

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Errrrrr thanks everyone . . . . I think?

Anyway its too cold in the workshop tonight so I'm just have a bit of a night off from the T3.

The main thing is, I grew up with these cars and each build I do enables me to learn a few little tricks to apply to the next build.

As a boy I was all too concious that these old Scaley cars weren't perfect and just didn't look right, but when you are young your imagination fills in the gaps.

Now we've got acrylic paints and excellent decal suppliers we've got all we need to turn them into the cars that we've always wanted.

The good news from my point of view is that when finished and set up they are really pretty quick and challenging to drive on the edge.

We've got our first F1 race of 2012 at Bearwood tomorrow night and I'm expecting a big grid of cars to be there.

I'll post some pictures soon.
 

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Always enjoy seeing your builds Ian.
Just out of interest, how do you go about lowering the front end on these cars?
Cheers,
Kev.
 
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