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OK this isn't meant to sound rich, clever or smug, I'm certainly not the first one and hopefully not the last, but we read a lot of posts and comments about the performance of cars and so on but without always knowing what controller is involved. So I just wondered how many of us haven't made the leap from say a standard Scaley 60ohm controller to even the most basic aftermarket job such as a Parma Economy at around £24.00 a pop. I only ask really to bring it to the attention of the newcomers to the hobby as I guess they possibly don't realise the vast difference a good controller makes. When I returned to slot cars about seven years ago with a Scaley Sport set, I thought nothing at first about the performance of the controlleres included in the set. Fortunately I got involved with SF fairly quickly and soon realised that I needed to upgrade. I went the Parma route at first which was fine, but when I moved on to Truspeed controllers with the diode style trigger it was a revelation. Smooth, adjustable, responsive etc, etc. Sometimes, just for curiosity, I try my old Scaley controller and can't believe how poor they are in comparison.
All I am trying to say is that if you are really into this hobby for the long term and want to enjoy it in its best form then the investment in better controllers is just as important as all the mods and tuning you can carry out on your individual cars.
This has been a public service broadcast for the benefit of newbies and the campaign for better controllers


Cheers

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Very 21st Century Dave!

I`m still using the old Scaley A265 controllers on my Classic Track layout. They are very good.
If I`m in a fast mood I`ll plug in an A262 Race Tuned controller from the 1960s.......

You`re dead right though for those using a modern Sport Track system. Upgrade ASAP. Those modern Scaley throttles are terrible.

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Kev.
 

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You will find that most attendees of clubs have custom controllers, slot it's are quite popular and I have one myself, there are a lot to choose from and some offer performance boost's too.
 

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Hmm, an interesting point. I bought myself a Slot.it controller a couple of years ago, found it to be wholly unusable with the Scaley wall warts, upgraded to a big beefy PSU (which fixed the problem) and found that it is an interesting item to play around with. But with little kids in the house I can only really play with it when I'm by myself, and the Scaley hand throttles are cheap enough to be disposable when they wear out/breakdown/get stood on. When the kids get older, I suspect we will be revisiting this subject.
 

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I agree the Scaley Sport controllers are dire - I use a Parma economy for my analogue rally outings.

Don't agree on the Scaley digital throttles - they seem OK as long as you calibrate them.

Hmm, now let's see. Amman Valley Raceway - that would be SSDC then. Mainly used by casual racers. And often by newbies as part of a commercial hire. Give them knobs and they would twiddle to no good effect.

Cheapest Slot.It SCP01 with SSD cartridge - £100.

Of course I would need 6.

For a lap time maybe a couple of tenths faster? £600.

No thanks.

Hey - I would love to try out the various digital controllers to see what the fuss is all about but when you consider you can play with throttle curves in SSDC I am not yet convinced that, in my circumstances, better throttles would actually make the racing any more fun or competitive.

Having 6 identical throttles is a great leveller as far as I can see. If I lose I can't blame it on some other fella's shiny new controller.

Of course if I was up against 5 others on a 6 lane analogue setup I would feel completely the opposite no doubt. But then £100 is a lot less that £600.

Horses for courses - better throttles are not a panacea for every slot racing situation.

Just trying to bring a little balance.
 

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Before I upgraded to Scaley Digital I had purchased a Professor Motor controller which came with the standard scaley socket for the sports powerbase and was amazed at the difference straight away, never used a standard sports controller again. The problem I had was once I upgraded to the C7042 APB the controller was no longer compatible with the new powerbase so it now sits in its box packed away.

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The only critic I have with the slot it controller and others that use analogue knobs, they are two easy to move, I and others spend the whole time twiddling they're knobs...(although this might just be a boy thing
) I would really like a lock switch which allows you to keep the settings when your happy with them, so they can't accidently be moved.
 

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I wasn't really including digital in the topic for obvious reasons Mr M, but your point is of course valid - I still think anything would be better than the Scaley Sports though!
Kev, you know I'm a modern man!
Keep 'em coming,

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Since returning to slots a year ago, I have used Scalextric classic, Scalextric Sport, and SCX controllers - all analogue. I've recently upgraded to an SCX Pro-branded Parma unit.

The difference is like night and day. My only gripe about the unit is that, for me, the cable could be longer. I don't know how long the Parma controller is likely to last with my daily use (IIRC, it's no longer available) but at least now I can replace it with any controller fitted with a 3.5mm jack plug.

Just my 2p......
 

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QUOTE (StuBeeDoo @ 26 Apr 2012, 17:40) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I don't know how long the Parma controller is likely to last with my daily use (IIRC, it's no longer available)
It should last a long ling time
Parma controller remain in production as do all the of spares. So if anything does need replacing (the resistor being the most likely) then just buy the part you need.
 

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I am interested in upgrading, but I'm not sure what to upgrade too. and if the extra cost can be justified for a home racer. At the moment I am using Ninco 55 ome, and these seem to me ok. I have looked at Parma economy and the price looks about right, but of course I don't know if these are any better then the ones I am using. Controllers are expensive if you get it wrong.

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QUOTE (athrlyth @ 16 Jun 2012, 07:00) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I am interested in upgrading, but I'm not sure what to upgrade too. and if the extra cost can be justified for a home racer. At the moment I am using Ninco 55 ome, and these seem to me ok. I have looked at Parma economy and the price looks about right, but of course I don't know if these are any better then the ones I am using. Controllers are expensive if you get it wrong.

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I use a Ninco 55 plus as a backup resistor controller to a DIY electronic controller (based on a Parma handle), and I don't think you'd see much difference if you replace it with a parma economy (unless you need a different resistor value i.e. 25ohm for magnet racing). I find the Ninco controller a little more comfortable in my big hands than the Parma handle.

Don't forget about the MRRC handle, I much prefer the shape and size of these to Parma's, and the trigger action is fairly smooth.

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Hi Athrlyth
What's wrong with your present controller?
Is it reliable?
Does it stick or feel rough?
Does it suit all your cars? Not some all at one end of the controller stroke and some all at the other end?
Does it give you the brakes you need?

It would be easier to advise what to buy with a clearer idea of what you want .
Maybe if there's not anything really wrong with what you've got, stick with it and spend your money on cars instead.
If it aint broke don't fix it,
 

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Hi Guys

john's slotracing, Thats great advise I did have a flood in 2010 and two controllers got damaged but I have got spares so I am using them and your right the ones that I am using is good and not rough they fit in my clumsy hands no problem, and I have just bought two more for less than a fiver. The only reason I was looking really is because a lot of guys say how bad original hand controllers are so I thought I might be missing out. Thank you for your advise.

Thanks also Slingshotx, your thoughts are very interesting and I think you guys have just saved me a packet.

Off to buy new cars now.

Athrlyth
 

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Question:

What Parma Economy controller (Ohm rating 15, 25, 35, 45, 60 ?) would be best suitable for SCX (Escorts) RX 42B 19k RPM motors (NO MAGNETS or weights ever used) on a very tight, twisting technical rally track (plastic Scalex sport copper topped track). Looking for smooth operation, realism, no braking, coasting if possible.

Also is there anyway of taming the Scalex escort Motor Mabuchi FF 18k rpm Gear ratio 9:27 using weighted chassis but NO MAGNETS to be used. Would these require a different Ohm rating controller to the SCX?

Any ideas?
 

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If you don't want dynamic braking, only connect the power and wiper (white and black wire on a Parma), leave the brake (red wire on a Parma) disconnected.

What resistance is the controller you currently use on your SCX car? If that feels about right, that's what you want for your Parma. If the car is too quick as soon as you press the cotroller go for more ohms. If the car doesn't corner quickly till the controller is pressed near full power go for less ohms.

There are two approaches to tame an overpowered car - Reduce the power or change the car so it can make use of the extra power.

Reducing the power -
If you have an adjustable power supply, turn the voltage down.
If you have a non adjustable power supply, the power can be reduced with diodes or a resistor in the power line. If you have an AC supply to the track (such as with a modern Scalex power base). the diodes will need to be in pairs, one connected each way.

Tyres with more grip and chassis tuning are the normal ways of changing the car so it can make use of the extra power.
 

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Wish I would have read this thread about three days earlier,but 300SLR answer is exactly what I needed to know.
I may have lucked out when I bought a parma 45ohm with some other "upgrades" like nylon trigger etc.
I think the price was right, $28.00 shipped...
 

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Ohh no not another controller!!! I have almost the same number of controllers as I have cars well not really but I have a several. Horses for courses differents cars dirrerent tracks. Currently using the NSR Electronic and have most of the upgrade chips but do have my eye on the Third Eye.

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