[jimgym]

Hello all

I can seem to get my challenger system to work on inner R1 cures is ok on the outer but not inner, I have the switch set to sports track, and it wont even do the 2 learn laps as it just spins of when it hits a r1 inner. If I place a car on the r1 out while the challenger is doing its learn laps it will make it around as when the back end comes out it hits the car on the outer and stops it from spinning. I have tried cleaning track, cleaning tyres with tape, replacing the tyres with the tyres that come with the porche gt car slicks and cleaned them with tape. I have also super glued a scx magnet to just behind the rear axle, everything is helping but it still wont make the r1 inners.

R there some mega sticky rear tyres I can purchase?? Dont want to go sponge and must be quite hard wearing?? Any other ideas?/

Thanks
James

 

[Doug]

That is about the limit of the Challenger.

The only thing to keep it on is to drop the voltage. You need a variable power supply and unfortunately it makes it less fun

 

[jimgym]

Its strange becuse it was ok with the chicane r1's when I added the extra mag and slicks, but I removed the chicane r1's for standard r1's for better overtaking and the challenger can make the inside lane at all now. Must be cos of a slighty harsher turn in.

 

[cyroute]

I have been able to get mine to take turns better by helping it along on its learning laps. I will try to explain what I do when it doesn't like to learn bad curves. When the car is running its learning laps as the car is running through the turn grab the rear of the car and make the car slide out further on the turn. This will make the computer think the turn is worse than it really is and the car will slow down even more when its running the real laps. Now you have to do this for both learning laps it takes some practice to grab it and sweep it around the turn but once you get it down you will see the car will be able to take the turns much better.

Let me know if you need any more info..

Joe

 

[astro]

What a great tip!

technically it would seem to me that the tail slide out technique would make the car think the curve is gentler than it really is - the car measures the angle of the guide, which will be less, and i think it will make the car go faster around these curves than if it knew the real angle

I suspect just helping the car round the R1 curves without the slide out would also work

 

[Doug]

Hi cyroute, welcome to the forum. That sounds interesting. Must try it.

 

[EddScott]

Sorry to hijack your thread a little but is the challenger system any good. I tend to find myself racing on my lonesome and have been thinking about getting hold of the challenger system.

Sorry again to hijack but I've been meaning to ask for ages.

 

[astro]

Hi scooby - the answer is 'yes'. It won't necesarily be as fast as your fastest cars, but it does add a new dimension when there are no mates available.

 

[Doug]

ScoobyDriver, Yes it is good. Good fun at least. With a little tuning (see here) it can be made to work well.

As astro says, you will beat it with mags, but you won't running without. It does give the lone driver something to race aginst if only to see how many times you can lap it.

We ran 2 Challengers together recently - double the fun. See here for a video.

 

[MR MAX]

There's also a Scaley Pacer unit which I think is a powerbase at the same time. You drive your car for one lap on lane 2 and the Pacer unit remembers your exact time and speed through all of that lap. You then put a car on lane 2 and you drive on lane 1 and you can race against the best time you set with your car being driven by the Pacer unit on lane 2.

 

[cyroute]

No, if you slide the car out more the guide blade will be turned more so the car should go slower becuase it thinks the turn is smaller, you want to make the challenger almost do a tail spin through the curves byholding on to it and then letting go right at the end of the curve. I must say it isn't the easiest thing to do and i wouldn't want to have to try to do it on more than one section of the track but I know it has worked for me. I love my little challenger. I have a four lane 80 ft. track and still don't have anyone to race with so its me and this thing. I put a pair of sillies on it an it runs about 7.5 second laps on my track. I run it on the classic setting on my sport track. I don't have any harsh turns since i am just trying to get my 4 1/2 year old into slots if only he knew when to slow down like the challenger...

 

[MR MAX]

Put a controller into the port which controls the lane which the Challenger car is running on and let him use the controller; the Challenger is just driving normally so he thinks he's doing really well.

 

[astro]

hi cyroute,

maybe i am not understanding your technique properly

I imagined you meant grabbing the back of the car - which might slow the progress of the car, or not depending how quick you are - and moving the back so that it is as if the back end has swung out towards the outer border.

The car will pivot on the guide. In the way I described, if the car was not swung out but followed the track correctly, lets say the guide is set 15 degrees to the left in a left hand turn.

If the back is swung out a bit - as it would when the back slides due to oversteer when going faster than grip allows - then this angle of guide relative to the car is reduced til it becomes zero degrees (the car is at a tangent to the curve at the point of the guide), and then increases to right hand angles.

For the angle to be greater nad the car to think it is a sharper curve - either you are meaning what i would call 'pushing the back end of the car INTO the curve (some form of understeer), or pushing it so far out that it thinks it is a very sharp right hand turn.

please clarify, thanks

and much respect for the innovative idea

 

[cyroute]

Astro,

Yes if you pull the car way out it will act as though it is going into a sharper turn in the other direction i'm not sure if having the tires sliding faster does anything or not but i know it has slowed down my car and i've seen the guy at my local hobby shop do the same thing on his track with success. I have no idea what makes this work all I know is I've done it and seen it done and in fact it does help for bad turns. A R1 stilll might be too tight and short to get this technique to work but it's worth a try once you get it to work once, the car should stay programmed until you change something. I don't have any R1's or I would give it a try I was having problems with other turns and transitions that I used this technique for. I now have a smooth 4 lane track with only r2 and r3 turns so my challenger runs with no problems.

Joe

 

[fouldsc]

I put a pair of Indy grip silicon tyres onmy challenger and since then it has had
no problem with any bends.

The last track I had setup had two R1 hairpins (not the squeeze type) and it
flew round them lap after lap.

Chris

 

[goldfish_samurai]

Hi Guys,

Just thought I would let you know that I finally picked up a challenger this weekend, and that it is actually pretty good... I was pleasantly surprised that it worked so well straight out of the box. My only criticism is that it seems to overheat quite quickly as I only seem to be able to get a couple of races out of it before it cuts out ( I'm running it on a track the equivalent size of scaleys circuit 4.) Other than that, it's a good laugh. It even handles the R1 curves effortlessly (inner or outer slot).

Cheers

 

[Doug]

Mine has never overhated on my 17 m track. Perhaps its because the grill is now missing from the front and it gets good ventilation.