ideas for next years classes and rules
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NSCC club classes
Porsche
Porsche 911 policar are more difficult to find these days. I had two rear post breakages followed by a desperate search once I realised that the ones in club stock were reserved for new members and not available for existing members. The good news is that I found one on eBay, Razor kindly painted it, and after some rear post repairs by Probe I am back in business. I would like to keep Porsche class as it is despite the lack of availability; it remains the closest of club races and perhaps the best. Wolves also run this class - so interclub racing may also happen again.
Grand Am
Again, under threat from lack of available cars. However Flymodelcars have Rileys in stock, what's the problem? Spare motors are more difficult but Razor did manage to find one at the recent Gaydon swap meet.
Long wheel base saloon / NASCAR SCX class
One new class could be SCX NASCAR or similar. This might be a way of continuing the relationship with SCX built up with the North Staffs club entering the Battle of the Manufacturers. It also might enable the new arrivals to race something inexpensive they have rather than having to spend £50-£70 on something to compete in the other club classes. If this can be extended to other clubs within a reasonable travelling distance there is a possibility of a series of races at local tracks.
Historic
It has been suggested for the Wales and West that something like classic racing cars from NSR be raced out of the box. This could work as a club class. Some people already have Slot it GT40, Alfa, Chaparrals.
PCS chassis
There is a Super Touring club event at Wolves based on PCS chassis. Maybe if the event is popular in December this could become a more regular class.
Overall
North Staffs is a good club. We should only change for the better. The current attendance indicates that there is nothing fundamentally wrong.
Tony S (NSSRC club member)
Porsche
Porsche 911 policar are more difficult to find these days. I had two rear post breakages followed by a desperate search once I realised that the ones in club stock were reserved for new members and not available for existing members. The good news is that I found one on eBay, Razor kindly painted it, and after some rear post repairs by Probe I am back in business. I would like to keep Porsche class as it is despite the lack of availability; it remains the closest of club races and perhaps the best. Wolves also run this class - so interclub racing may also happen again.
Grand Am
Again, under threat from lack of available cars. However Flymodelcars have Rileys in stock, what's the problem? Spare motors are more difficult but Razor did manage to find one at the recent Gaydon swap meet.
Long wheel base saloon / NASCAR SCX class
One new class could be SCX NASCAR or similar. This might be a way of continuing the relationship with SCX built up with the North Staffs club entering the Battle of the Manufacturers. It also might enable the new arrivals to race something inexpensive they have rather than having to spend £50-£70 on something to compete in the other club classes. If this can be extended to other clubs within a reasonable travelling distance there is a possibility of a series of races at local tracks.
Historic
It has been suggested for the Wales and West that something like classic racing cars from NSR be raced out of the box. This could work as a club class. Some people already have Slot it GT40, Alfa, Chaparrals.
PCS chassis
There is a Super Touring club event at Wolves based on PCS chassis. Maybe if the event is popular in December this could become a more regular class.
Overall
North Staffs is a good club. We should only change for the better. The current attendance indicates that there is nothing fundamentally wrong.
Tony S (NSSRC club member)
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Tony good suggestions
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Would like to understand the PCS Chassis class, do like the Historic with the GT 40 in std form. also would agree that we need to introduce an SCX class.
Dave M (NSSRC club member)
Would like to understand the PCS Chassis class, do like the Historic with the GT 40 in std form. also would agree that we need to introduce an SCX class.
Dave M (NSSRC club member)
yes to scx but totally box standard not too keen on Nascar
no tyre changing no gluing of tyres it would be the same for every one
as for flyer rileys they still can be found plus we have allowed fly ford Dorans in, if your motors gone then there must be an equivalant motor out there
most of closest raced classes, have been ninco angles, poli porsches, and flyers they just happen to the classes that are more less standard every has the same motors and same gearing
and long may they reign
Robbo (a loud member of NSSRC)
no tyre changing no gluing of tyres it would be the same for every one
as for flyer rileys they still can be found plus we have allowed fly ford Dorans in, if your motors gone then there must be an equivalant motor out there
most of closest raced classes, have been ninco angles, poli porsches, and flyers they just happen to the classes that are more less standard every has the same motors and same gearing
and long may they reign
Robbo (a loud member of NSSRC)
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get rid of that rubbish team racing
like the scx idea
hate that rubbish team racing
like the pcs chassis idea but would prefer slot.it (sich21) or msc chassis
hate that rubbish team racing
keep rally, touring,le mans, poli porsche,ninco a/w,super mini
get rid of that rubbish team racing
like the scx idea
hate that rubbish team racing
like the pcs chassis idea but would prefer slot.it (sich21) or msc chassis
hate that rubbish team racing
keep rally, touring,le mans, poli porsche,ninco a/w,super mini
get rid of that rubbish team racing
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Core rules no problems as I can see, just need applying more.
Classes
Ninco- Allow 17x10 alloy wheels on existing axles due to the expense in buying new wheels each time the tyres run low.
Leman - No issue
Porsche Cup- Short supply of cars, but a must keep if we can, the introduction of the Polly Ferrari maybe solution
Super Mini - No issue
Touring car -No Issue
Gran-Am- We could keep the class if the motor rule was changed to say a 20k scaleauto, personally if a new class was introduced this would be the class to make way.
Like the SCX Pro nascar they work very well and would be a good tie up with SCX or if we did want a tie in with SCX convert Rally to SCX Rally?? Aint that what SCX do best? saves using up a class.
Would love to run a classics class NSR and/or Slot.it
PCS,HRS,MRC class would be cool maybe expensive but would see some interesting cars
How about parc ferme ?
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Shaun
Classes
Ninco- Allow 17x10 alloy wheels on existing axles due to the expense in buying new wheels each time the tyres run low.
Leman - No issue
Porsche Cup- Short supply of cars, but a must keep if we can, the introduction of the Polly Ferrari maybe solution
Super Mini - No issue
Touring car -No Issue
Gran-Am- We could keep the class if the motor rule was changed to say a 20k scaleauto, personally if a new class was introduced this would be the class to make way.
Like the SCX Pro nascar they work very well and would be a good tie up with SCX or if we did want a tie in with SCX convert Rally to SCX Rally?? Aint that what SCX do best? saves using up a class.
Would love to run a classics class NSR and/or Slot.it
PCS,HRS,MRC class would be cool maybe expensive but would see some interesting cars
How about parc ferme ?
Shaun
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I think we should race standard in-line slot it, changing tyres only, instead of grand am. Everyone must have one of those knocking around somewhere.
I don't think we should put alloy wheels on Nincos because it will make it easier to make your tyres good, but not everyone can make good tyres so it will make a bigger difference between the fast people and the slower ones. As it is, it's quite a close field and that's what makes it fun.
I also think we should do more scrutineering on the more regulated classes like ninco or supercup
Are we going to have an agm this week or next week?
I don't think we should put alloy wheels on Nincos because it will make it easier to make your tyres good, but not everyone can make good tyres so it will make a bigger difference between the fast people and the slower ones. As it is, it's quite a close field and that's what makes it fun.
I also think we should do more scrutineering on the more regulated classes like ninco or supercup
Are we going to have an agm this week or next week?
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I'm liking the way this discussion is heading definitely the scrutinizing side of things as i have been a Member for one and a half years and never been checked EVER.
I'm all for the Classic race as we as a club don't run any and that leaves us behind a lot of other clubs that do Classics but again this must be engined and gear orientated rather than style and manufacture as I believe we all have an all time favorite car from a specific era. There are also alot of kits around that are very cheep that can be converted which could be added to the PCS/SICH/MRC Chassis.
Unlike DaveKP I personally like the TeamRace as I like being part of a winning team (Not nice always being last)
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But also I Agree that it could be lost to implement another type of race.
SCX class Yes we should have it, and Yes it should be Rally.
If Ninco are to have Alloy's I think none treated tyres is the best option to go and size restraints set 17x10. All front and back hubs same size and brand.
Super Mini - No issue
Touring car -No Issue
Leman - No issue
Braker totally agree to Polly class Polly Ferrari great solution. (gives me more Cars to Customize for you all)
Lets Bring back the fun element in to slot car racing whilst still keeping to the rules that are outlined......
I'm all for the Classic race as we as a club don't run any and that leaves us behind a lot of other clubs that do Classics but again this must be engined and gear orientated rather than style and manufacture as I believe we all have an all time favorite car from a specific era. There are also alot of kits around that are very cheep that can be converted which could be added to the PCS/SICH/MRC Chassis.
Unlike DaveKP I personally like the TeamRace as I like being part of a winning team (Not nice always being last)
SCX class Yes we should have it, and Yes it should be Rally.
If Ninco are to have Alloy's I think none treated tyres is the best option to go and size restraints set 17x10. All front and back hubs same size and brand.
Super Mini - No issue
Touring car -No Issue
Leman - No issue
Braker totally agree to Polly class Polly Ferrari great solution. (gives me more Cars to Customize for you all)
Lets Bring back the fun element in to slot car racing whilst still keeping to the rules that are outlined......
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QUOTE (GDJ @ 29 Jun 2011, 08:16) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Are we going to have an agm this week or next week?
Would be wise to collect all the ideas together this week, then a list/proposal can be drafted from these ideas and voted on the following week, instead of or aswell as Team race assuming voting don't take to long
QUOTE (RazorsEdge @ 29 Jun 2011, 11:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Braker totally agree to Polly class Polly Ferrari great solution. (gives me more Cars to Customize for you all)
It was a good idea till i had a little chat with Nic and a Google earlier they are as hard to get as the Porsche.
Shaun
Would be wise to collect all the ideas together this week, then a list/proposal can be drafted from these ideas and voted on the following week, instead of or aswell as Team race assuming voting don't take to long
QUOTE (RazorsEdge @ 29 Jun 2011, 11:31) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Braker totally agree to Polly class Polly Ferrari great solution. (gives me more Cars to Customize for you all)
It was a good idea till i had a little chat with Nic and a Google earlier they are as hard to get as the Porsche.
Shaun
if we are to run classics would i be able run say a Fly classic?
on the poli car debate i have 2 ferraris so me sorted
scx nascar with a rolling start(as they do), first past the post rather than distance to end with finals
like idea on standard slot it
ninco should stop as is closest racing by far, tyre/wheel issue not bothered any body before (been run for 3 years)
Robbo
on the poli car debate i have 2 ferraris so me sorted
scx nascar with a rolling start(as they do), first past the post rather than distance to end with finals
like idea on standard slot it
ninco should stop as is closest racing by far, tyre/wheel issue not bothered any body before (been run for 3 years)
Robbo
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QUOTE (DR STICKY @ 29 Jun 2011, 18:33) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>ninco should stop as is closest racing by far, tyre/wheel issue not bothered any body before (been run for 3 years)
It has been a problem for a few people that have suggested this change to me. Will make no difference to race order its slow motors that give good racing the wheels will make it easier for people to prep and cars can pass the width rule.
Don't see why running a fly classic would be a problem as long as it conformed to the rules of the class.
SCRUTINEERING will make a return this week as we all want it back so much
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so check the rules people
It has been a problem for a few people that have suggested this change to me. Will make no difference to race order its slow motors that give good racing the wheels will make it easier for people to prep and cars can pass the width rule.
Don't see why running a fly classic would be a problem as long as it conformed to the rules of the class.
SCRUTINEERING will make a return this week as we all want it back so much
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could the classic not be joined with pcs/hrs/msc chassis, the reason why i keep saying the other two rather than the pcs is that the pcs chassis is very thin compared to the others, plus for £30 you get everything standard for everybody. Although have just noticed pendles have mrrc sebring chassis complete for £17.50
as for slot.it we already have that with le mans, yes it is any set up but it is mostly slot it and what else do slot it make other than le mans, so why duplicate it
i agree leave ninco as is wheels are not that dear for new £5, far cheaper than ali hubs
unlike razorsedge not interested in poly ferrari, not helpful as just as difficult to get as rocking horse manure
as for slot.it we already have that with le mans, yes it is any set up but it is mostly slot it and what else do slot it make other than le mans, so why duplicate it
i agree leave ninco as is wheels are not that dear for new £5, far cheaper than ali hubs
unlike razorsedge not interested in poly ferrari, not helpful as just as difficult to get as rocking horse manure
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QUOTE (davekp @ 29 Jun 2011, 22:24) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>could the classic not be joined with pcs/hrs/msc chassis
I must say this idea is my favorite just think of the mixture of cars we would get
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And i agree with regards to the Slot.it we have these cars already
Shaun
I must say this idea is my favorite just think of the mixture of cars we would get
And i agree with regards to the Slot.it we have these cars already
Shaun
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(davekp @ 29 Jun 2011, 22:24)
could the classic not be joined with pcs/hrs/msc chassis
mmmm sure I bought that up.
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could the classic not be joined with pcs/hrs/msc chassis
mmmm sure I bought that up.
Hi all,
Just seen the latest thread, oh'boy something to get my teeth into, I've got more than a few idiotic crazy suggestions, unfortunately don't have the time now as preparing for a car club trip up north tomorrow. However maybe I'm still
considered as a newbie, so what do cars do newbie's generally bring along to the club first time,....no having trouble thinking that one out! well its in your club name, oh' yes SCALEXTRIC!!! so they make unraceable cars do they, so it should be a
challenge for one or two of the pro's (the newbie's should now how to drive them).
More anon, this should be good eh' Rob.
Robert.
Just seen the latest thread, oh'boy something to get my teeth into, I've got more than a few idiotic crazy suggestions, unfortunately don't have the time now as preparing for a car club trip up north tomorrow. However maybe I'm still
considered as a newbie, so what do cars do newbie's generally bring along to the club first time,....no having trouble thinking that one out! well its in your club name, oh' yes SCALEXTRIC!!! so they make unraceable cars do they, so it should be a
challenge for one or two of the pro's (the newbie's should now how to drive them).
More anon, this should be good eh' Rob.
Robert.
Just found a few extra minutes whilst Margaret has gone for a hair appointment, I noted that Rob posted this thread on the 28th, that's two days ago and no offence Shaun but here you are on the 29th wanting to get it signed, sealed and delivered
pronto, who's on holiday, away for a few days, we don't all have blackberry's ad i-phones, no one wants these these to drag on but surely it wouldn't hurt to let the thread continue for say two weeks at most
pronto, who's on holiday, away for a few days, we don't all have blackberry's ad i-phones, no one wants these these to drag on but surely it wouldn't hurt to let the thread continue for say two weeks at most
Have had a quick thru what everyone has said so far but at the moment haven't got the time (will have next week) to digest in detail, so here's mu thought.
TOURING CARS - No issue.
LE MANS or PROTOTYPE/GT - No issue.
NINCO A/W generally no issue but other manufacturers make ROUND/CONCENTRIC PLASTIC wheels that are easily available, without rechecking can't remember if the axles are an oddball dia.
GRAND AM - I don't run but a standard in-line Slot-it would be happy with (with restrictions??)
POLLY PORSCHE - I don't run, and I cannot find anything on the web about them (what else do they make).
SUPER 4 x 4 or SUPER MINI! - I want more time and discussion on this one, suffice to say does anyone know the exact scale of the NSR Clio's because if its less than 1/30th why can't I race 1/28th? (silly suggestion).
SCX CLASS - Good idea.
CLASSICS - There are classics and classics, I'm with Rob about Fly classics, Lola T70, Porsche 917 but a Slot-it or NSR Le Mans car with a Ford GT body is just what you'already got, you may as well have 1 Slot-it or NSR chassis with a range
of different bodies, with Slot-it and NSR no one would be competitive with anything else. More time needed.
ALL FOR TEAM RACING as us newbie's feel better with a win or two. 1/24th GT mmm ?
Got to go, if its not all wrapped up by the time I get back I'll be on again, oh' nearly forgot, whatever class, run SCX or other motors and get double points against those using short/long cans (open for discussion).
TOURING CARS - No issue.
LE MANS or PROTOTYPE/GT - No issue.
NINCO A/W generally no issue but other manufacturers make ROUND/CONCENTRIC PLASTIC wheels that are easily available, without rechecking can't remember if the axles are an oddball dia.
GRAND AM - I don't run but a standard in-line Slot-it would be happy with (with restrictions??)
POLLY PORSCHE - I don't run, and I cannot find anything on the web about them (what else do they make).
SUPER 4 x 4 or SUPER MINI! - I want more time and discussion on this one, suffice to say does anyone know the exact scale of the NSR Clio's because if its less than 1/30th why can't I race 1/28th? (silly suggestion).
SCX CLASS - Good idea.
CLASSICS - There are classics and classics, I'm with Rob about Fly classics, Lola T70, Porsche 917 but a Slot-it or NSR Le Mans car with a Ford GT body is just what you'already got, you may as well have 1 Slot-it or NSR chassis with a range
of different bodies, with Slot-it and NSR no one would be competitive with anything else. More time needed.
ALL FOR TEAM RACING as us newbie's feel better with a win or two. 1/24th GT mmm ?
Got to go, if its not all wrapped up by the time I get back I'll be on again, oh' nearly forgot, whatever class, run SCX or other motors and get double points against those using short/long cans (open for discussion).
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I liked the idea that was mentioned briefly on Monday about potentionaly limiting the use of F15 tyres.
The problem being, how to check that people are not using them............I've got a unique idea....would honesty work?
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The problem being, how to check that people are not using them............I've got a unique idea....would honesty work?
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QUOTE (GDJ @ 30 Jun 2011, 12:55) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I like the idea of classic sportscars but you'd have to think about rules so they don't become another Le mans class.
Maybe not glueing tyres and/or slotit 20k motors
I agree Gaz whatever the class maybe they must follow the Polly and Ninco class rules, 21k slot.it and set gearing to give close racing and for this class non glued tires i.e F22 stay on with no problems removing tyre tech, making this class extremely close.
QUOTE (backMARKer @ 30 Jun 2011, 19:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I liked the idea that was mentioned briefly on Monday about potentionaly limiting the use of F15 tyres.
The problem being, how to check that people are not using them............I've got a unique idea....would honesty work?
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Im all for limiting these tyres (i wanted them only on Le man 3 weeks ago) but i cant see how this can be done, unfortunately honesty aint going to work (magnets on motors spring to mind) and can you imagine the mumbling if certain cars started flying round, accusations of foul play would cause problems. Policing something round and black is quite tricky
Shaun
Maybe not glueing tyres and/or slotit 20k motors
I agree Gaz whatever the class maybe they must follow the Polly and Ninco class rules, 21k slot.it and set gearing to give close racing and for this class non glued tires i.e F22 stay on with no problems removing tyre tech, making this class extremely close.
QUOTE (backMARKer @ 30 Jun 2011, 19:42) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I liked the idea that was mentioned briefly on Monday about potentionaly limiting the use of F15 tyres.
The problem being, how to check that people are not using them............I've got a unique idea....would honesty work?
Im all for limiting these tyres (i wanted them only on Le man 3 weeks ago) but i cant see how this can be done, unfortunately honesty aint going to work (magnets on motors spring to mind) and can you imagine the mumbling if certain cars started flying round, accusations of foul play would cause problems. Policing something round and black is quite tricky
Shaun
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