[Mr Modifier]

Date looks OK to me.

Tyres - the best compound for Sport track is actually the medium compound which is Shore A50 hardness. They actually grip better than the softer tyres with and without magnets.

I assume we are running without magnets?

My advice on the tyres is to replace your rear tyres with our medium compound tyres. Your front tyres need to be as hard as possible and so we should encourage racers to varnish their existing front tyres so they act as stabilisers and offer minimal rolling resistance. This helps a lot with getting around tight turns at speed.

The good news is that Route1Racing is supplying two pairs of tyres to each racing location completely free of charge, nothing at all to pay. You need to go onto the website and look at the tyre chart to make sure you let Minardi know what tyre sizes you want and the address you want them sent to. Please use the Route1Racing product codes. The sizing chart has very accurate measurements of the tyres AND the wheels they are designed to fit. Send any queries to me if you are not sure.

The tyres are easy to glue and true. True them using 400 or 800 grit wet and dry paper. Try to avoid getting too much heat into the tyres whilst truing. Depening on conditions the tyres can take 100m or so of distance to warm up to full grip. After an hour or so the tyres can begin to lose a little grip - bring them back to full grip by spinning them up for 2-3 seconds on the wet and dry paper. Urethane tyres do not respond to any tyre treatments so run them naked for best results

If you want additional tyres then you will have to order and pay for them I'm afraid.

Have we settled on a time to race? What does that translate to in UK date and time?

 

[Minardi]

Thanks Chris, Richard,

Practice session 20 min.

Qualify session 10 min.

Than we have 20 min to determine starting grid.

Race 2 hrs., 3 hrs or 4 hrs. Let's say the locations that are in now decide the rules, race length etc. Other locations are welcome but follow what has been decided. All agree ?

I prefer 3 hours as first choice,
2nd 2 hrs,
last choice 4 hrs.

Let me know yours.

Time/date;

For UK It will be March 14. Practice start 18:00. Qualify 18:30, 19:00 start race

For the Netherlands and France +1 hr.

For USA Sunday March 15, practice 11:00, qualify 11:30, race 12:00

For NZ Saturday March 14, practice 07:00 qualify 07:30, race 08:00

So medium compound It will be.

 

[marcellus]

Minardi,

Iff needed I can bring one xlc with me, Easy to take one out of my track.

C number off the audi you get from me later. Its standard out of the box.
Will take out the magnet, all my scalctrix cars still with magnet.
I use Slot it and NSR for magless racing.

Rest of rules and date

Marcellus

 

[MrFlippant]

I think I'd go with 2hr first choice, then 3, and finally 4 as my least preferred time. That's a LOT of racing. I realize it's an endurance, and I won't bow out if it's 4 hours, but as a first attempt at this, and likely to run into some technical issues of some kind, a short race of two hours should be plenty.

I'm glad MrMod recommended glue and true for his tires. I've found that when wheels aren't perfect, it's a waste of time to true without gluing because the tire will shift around and get out of true again. Also, thanks for recommending sealing the front tires. I prefer doing that as well.

I'm fine with stock braids, but recommend that everyone have a few prepared sets on hand for a quick swap out. IMHO, all work on cars should be done before the race, or while the race is in progress. If there are any race pauses or stoppages of ANY kind, cars will remain on the track, and cannot be attended to until the race resumes. That means tire cleaning, braid changing, should take place under green.

I disagree that spare cars should be available for a quick swap. That's counter to endurance racing. Spare PARTS should be available, such as braids and chips, and maybe have a hot iron nearby in case a motor fails or wiring breaks. But if a car fails, it get repaired, not replaced. Actual failures are a part of endurance racing, and cars should be repaired while the race is in progress. Yes, it really sucks when something fails, but that's how it is. Prep your car to ensure high endurance, and repair under green if needed.

 

[zarko]

QUOTE (MrFlippant @ 20 Jan 2015, 16:40) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Actual failures are a part of endurance racing, and cars should be repaired while the race is in progress. Yes, it really sucks when something fails, but that's how it is. Prep your car to ensure high endurance, and repair under green if needed.

x2

However, as this is a first attempt at this, I would suggest that for the first event ONLY replacement car is allowed as I have no doubt we will all run into some difficulties.

 

[Wraith]

Just checking with the guys at the club but as the 14th is a standard monthy race meeting we should hopefully all be there.

Track is not an issue

I would vote 4 hours, then 3 and then 2

A reminder, we are based in windsor so have space for teams if they can not get a track.

 

[MrFlippant]

QUOTE (zarko @ 20 Jan 2015, 08:54) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>However, as this is a first attempt at this, I would suggest that for the first event ONLY replacement car is allowed as I have no doubt we will all run into some difficulties.

You might not have meant it this way, but I would say that I'd much rather swap out a pair of worn braids, or even a failed chip, than to change to a different car unless I had no other choice. Having to learn the performance of a different car, even if it was the same model and prepped the same way, could be more detrimental than the time taken for a minor repair or worn braid replacement. If everyone else wants to allow a spare car to be swapped in, I'm fine with that, but I won't agree that replacing the entire car should be the only option, if that's what you meant.

If a car replacement is allowed, we should make clear rules about when a replacement may be used, how many replacements are allowed, and whether repairing the original car and swapping it back out should be allowed. Personally, I believe that the car should only be replaced if the original cannot be made to move under it's own power with basic things like replacing the braid or chip, and that the replacement car is the "last" car available. The original car is not permitted to be repaired and re-entered in the race, and if the replacement car also fails, then another replacement cannot be used. For the team to continue, the replacement car must be repaired and run to the finish. I think it should be more or less up to the team whether they want to swap in their replacement car, but once that decision has been made, they must stick with it until the end. Essentially, they are determining that the original car is beyond repair and cannot continue to race, therefore the replacement is the only option to finish the race. This basically gives each team a "second chance" to finish the race, in case of catastrophic car failure.

Anyone want to compile a list of allowed cars, and their Scalextric codes?

 

[GRUNZ]

Marcel
Check out the times in your post because for US it is still Saturday 14th. It is only Auckland that is ahead on the Sunday.
I would stick to our previous schedule and start on Sunday 8 am (Auckland time) with practise. 7 am is going to be too early for me: I have to take care of two dogs before I can start setting up. Actually, it would be even better to start everything one hour later let's say 9 am Auckland, 1 pm (Sat) Seattle, 8 pm (Sat) London, 9 pm (Sat) Amsterdam. As anyone problem with this time?

 

[GRUNZ]

QUOTE (Minardi @ 20 Jan 2015, 19:57) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>What would make It drive completely different, I guess X ?

I am serious about the 12 (possibly more) grid positions. For example, after qualifying you have the 12 th time, you start the 2 hr endurance on the 12 th track piece.

3 XLC's as minimum rule would be fine with me.

2 RH pitlane
4 XLC
6 R3
4 R4

Straights / R2 R1 etc no problem.

Ok so you want to have a virtual global grid on each track. But honestly on a 2 hours race, what difference would it make to start 2 m behind the first one? Especially when the car starting at the end of the grid will probably have empty track in front of it? Anyway, let's see how many cars we have on the event and we can make plan for a virtual global grid.

Just to correct myself, I also have 2 RH pitlane.

 

[GRUNZ]

Let's try to agree on the models then we can start looking for the codes.
Here is a start. Please feel free to add your input

--------------------- Cars --------------------
DPR, Super Detailed with full interior and lights (optional always on)
GT cars: Audi R8, McLaren MP4-12c GT3, Lotus Evora, Bentley, Aston Martin, Corvette C6R, Maserati Trofeo (?)

Motor: standard sidewinder with standard gear.

Weigh: no less than 95g - does it make sense?

 

[MrFlippant]

+ Ferrari F430 and Jaguar XKR GT3.
Almost said Mercedes, but that's inline with front motor, so gearing and speed would differ too much. I agree the sidewinder configuration should be spec.

I suggest that we specify that some endurance setup practices are allowed/recommended, such as gluing in the motor, putting the ferrite man on leads, and gluing in axles bushings, not to mention proper lubrication.

Min weight is good. When DRAWW last ran these cars, we speced 90g-100g, so that people couldn't overweight their cars. Some cars are lighter than others, so a min of 95 might be high, but the rules should say weight cannot be removed from the car (such as by cutting plastic out of the interior or chassis), if it doesn't already. This can fall under the "box stock" condition of the car, but sometimes these things need to be said.

Has anyone looked into GoToMeeting for this? I was reminded of it by a radio ad, but I'm figuring the good stuff won't be free.

 

[GRUNZ]

hey Marcel, All
what do you think about this version?

This layout requires 13 R3 and 7 R4. Let me know if you (Marcel) can outsource the required R3 and R4. Otherwise this version could be fitted with more R2.

Lane 1 (external) 19.70 m, Lane 2 19.20 m. Also, XLC placement is only what I think would be optimal. We could remove the one closer to the APB on the main straight to reduce them to 4. I put it there just to avoid cars getting out of the pit lane.

 

[Damo]

Hi All,

As it turns out I will probably be busy here setting up our new Slotcar shop at the time of the race so instead of driving up to Auckland to race at Gio's, it's more likely I'd want to race here. I have a bunch of people to approach that have shown interest in forming a local Slotcar club so I think I can get enough drivers, fingers crossed!

So if it's ok to add another location, I'm about 90% sure we can do it here too, in Whakatane.

My preference, would be 2 hours. 4 would be a mammoth race, even three hours would be. After getting the formula right for these races I think we can look into increasing the duration though.

Cars list:

Audi R8
Aston Martin
Bentley GT3
Lotus Evora
Corvette C6R
Porsche GT3
Ford GT
Maserati MC12
Maserati Trofeo
Ferrari F430
Jaguar XKR GT3
McLaren MP4-12C

Cheers,
Damo.

 

[MrFlippant]

Is there a Porsche GT3 that comes as DPR? I think a stock DPR chip is part of the spec. Most Ford GT are also not DPR, though I think a recent, or upcoming version is?

 

[Damo]

Sorry, mised that! Right you are, MC12 too. I don't know about Ford GT but GT40 was to be DPR in the future I think.

So, the list the so far:

Audi R8
Aston Martin
Bentley GT3
Lotus Evora
Corvette C6R
Maserati Trofeo
Ferrari F430
Jaguar XKR GT3
McLaren MP4-12C

Shame, my Porsche is pretty quick!

Cheers,
Damo.

 

[zarko]

QUOTE (MrFlippant @ 20 Jan 2015, 17:22) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>You might not have meant it this way, but I would say that I'd much rather swap out a pair of worn braids, or even a failed chip, than to change to a different car unless I had no other choice. Having to learn the performance of a different car, even if it was the same model and prepped the same way, could be more detrimental than the time taken for a minor repair or worn braid replacement. If everyone else wants to allow a spare car to be swapped in, I'm fine with that, but I won't agree that replacing the entire car should be the only option, if that's what you meant.

Apologies, MrF... I certainly didn't mean for the car to be simply swapped without trying to replace the simply things like braids, guide, tyres or chip. I think since we will be using Scalextric DPR cars, the only serious issues which might call for car replacement are "slipping gears", broken/snapped gears and/or failed motor. I think all other failures we experienced with the cars in the past can be repaired within a reasonable amount of time.

 

[Wraith]

I would rather swap a car with slipping gear than try to fix it, didn't work out to good for my last car

I do think we should have a spare car available and can always clear it with other racers before swapping.

 

[Damo]

What about having a limit on spare car laps. eg. One tank of fuel only to rectify the issue with the race car. It gives someone time to replace a motor, re-solder wires at the guide or any other repair needed. Maybe even have a limit to 2 spare car uses per team so it would mean you'd try to fix a car before getting out the spare car in the first place.

Damo.

 

[MrFlippant]

Tracking spare car laps would be difficult, so I think a limited number of times it can be on the track in place of the primary car would be my preference regarding that idea.

 

[Minardi]

Hi guys. Some corrections/comments

Time/date;

1 hour later as Gio suggested and corrected date for USA

For UK It will be March 14. Practice start 19:00. Qualify 19:30, 20:00 start race

For the Netherlands and France +1 hr. (21:00 race start)

For USA March 14, practice 12:00, qualify 12:30, race 13:00

For NZ Sunday March 15, practice 08:00 qualify 08:30, race 09:00

Race length/Spare car

I understand with an endurance, you should repair your car and otherwise race over. But, since it is a first time and only 2-4 hours, I suggest each team has a spare car ready. It is up to the team to decide if they want to repair the original car, but once a spare car is on track, It should finish the race.

I have a feeling It should be 2 hours for this race. We can always decide to do a 2nd race

Cars

Audi R8
Aston Martin
Bentley GT3
Lotus Evora
Corvette C6R
Maserati Trofeo
Ferrari F430
Jaguar XKR GT3
McLaren MP4-12C

*REMARK* For me No DPR would be allowed, the older Aston Martins are not DPR. This would allow also the Ford GT and Porsche. Agree ?

High detailed with lights and interior.
90-100 gram.
No magnet.
Urethane tyres medium compound Route1Racing.
1 set of rear tyres allowed, in case of failure of tyres (highly unlikely), replace by original tyres.
Gluing in the motor, axles bushings allowed
Putting ferrite man on leads,
Lubrication allowed

Qualify
I like the virtual grid. It is a psychologic disadvantage, and the last time I did an endurance the numbers 1 and 2 were VERY close. Although it seems we need a virtual grid of 20 cars

Welcome DAMO!!!

Lay out
I like the switchback, but 13 x R3 is too much for me. R4 I must check, I may have 8.

My idea was to have 2 or 3 lay outs with the same track pieces and only decide the day before (Friday 13) what layout It will be, to prevent people practice for days and days on the lay out of the official race.

Time to summarize everything in 1 document, I will start with that soon.
I think we will agree about rules, cars tracks etc., leaves out one important part, what program to use to keep track of all locations ?