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Jaguar (Ford) are quitting F1 at the end of this season.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/3665810.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/3665810.stm
Jaguar to pull out of F1 at the end of 04!!!
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Looks like Eddie Jordan might have trouble getting the Dubai backing if there's a complete (and better) team on sale...
Shame, I really liked the livery and to have another Brit manufacturer in the sport.
I hope it's bought, because F1 would struggle with only 9 teams, ie. 18 cars. Bernie might be asking the top two or three to provide a third driver on race day...
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EDIT: Ah, I just realised! That's why Webber left the team that he had signed a big contract with because "he was building the team, and didn't want someone else to come in and steal the glory". Good job Webber!
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Shame, I really liked the livery and to have another Brit manufacturer in the sport.
I hope it's bought, because F1 would struggle with only 9 teams, ie. 18 cars. Bernie might be asking the top two or three to provide a third driver on race day...
McLaren
EDIT: Ah, I just realised! That's why Webber left the team that he had signed a big contract with because "he was building the team, and didn't want someone else to come in and steal the glory". Good job Webber!
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Can't remember where I read it but the reason Jag are going is because ford a pulling out of Wolrd Rallying to double the funds available for a Ford F1 Super team (& Jag is owned by Ford so no point in having 2 teams running by the same company).
I will post a link if I can remember where I read this!
Cheers,
David
I will post a link if I can remember where I read this!
Cheers,
David
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That's a shame and a pity but I think the Blue Oval is feeling the pinch at the moment.
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Don't put much faith in the idea of an Ford F1 Super Team.
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F1 is suddenly looking a little more rocky.
Don't start me on the idea of three cars for the big boys to pad out the grid - what a joke.
That's a shame and a pity but I think the Blue Oval is feeling the pinch at the moment.
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Don't put much faith in the idea of an Ford F1 Super Team.
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F1 is suddenly looking a little more rocky.
Don't start me on the idea of three cars for the big boys to pad out the grid - what a joke.
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If the Ford super team is true it might make some sense. The current Concorde agreement ends in 2009. Car manufacturers had threatened to leave F1 and start their own rival formula if certain demands were not met by those in F1 (well "Him" anyway)
The car manufacturers "Back door" approach is to get in to existing teams with the view of eventually taking them over.
Might all be complete tosh but I remember reading about this in Autosport ages ago.
The car manufacturers "Back door" approach is to get in to existing teams with the view of eventually taking them over.
Might all be complete tosh but I remember reading about this in Autosport ages ago.
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Not great times for Jaguar.
One of their plants has also closed this week. Leaving around 1000 unemployed people in the Coventry area.
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Strangly, my dad's Jag has also encountered a problem this week.
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Come on Ford, you've got a great Brand name in Jaguar - use it!
James
One of their plants has also closed this week. Leaving around 1000 unemployed people in the Coventry area.
Strangly, my dad's Jag has also encountered a problem this week.
Come on Ford, you've got a great Brand name in Jaguar - use it!
James
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It's truley sad to see Jaguar go, because they added that extra element of style and grace to the lineup
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. Always hoped they would do well, but they never quite got it all together.
Let's hope for a Ford super team then, but I think it's very unlikely.
@Wankel: It would be sweet to see three top guys in the the same top car fighting it out on track! Like they suggested in F1 Racing some time ago: Imagine Shummi, Montoya and Villeneuve all in Ferraris without team-orders...
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now that would be a sight to see! Of course it will never happen in Ferrari, with their coward tactics of today
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. But in a fair playing team like McLaren, Williams, B.A.R. or Renault
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it could be very interesting.
Let's hope for a Ford super team then, but I think it's very unlikely.
@Wankel: It would be sweet to see three top guys in the the same top car fighting it out on track! Like they suggested in F1 Racing some time ago: Imagine Shummi, Montoya and Villeneuve all in Ferraris without team-orders...
..and Eddie Jordan thinks loud about leaving F1 because he has no motor for next year - and the funds he has are draining...
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Bad situation! And there will be no other manufacturer series as long as Ferrari does not join it!
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F1 became to expensive! And these guys waited to long, some just collecting money, others heavily involved in intrigues against other teams instead of focussing their efforts into their business which we call sport...
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Bad situation! And there will be no other manufacturer series as long as Ferrari does not join it!
F1 became to expensive! And these guys waited to long, some just collecting money, others heavily involved in intrigues against other teams instead of focussing their efforts into their business which we call sport...
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The writing has been on the wall at Jaguar ever since Bill Fod turned to his directors and spoke those famous words "Who the devil is this Eddie Irvine?"
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JTCC anyone?
F1 is again bordering on the cure for insomnia this year, unless you count 'excitement' as accidents and brushes with death.
Yeah I know thats what draws most crowds but PLEASE tell me there IS more to motor sport than accident watching.
For me the Series that also draw good manufacturers are the likes of JTCC,DTM and manufacturer specific Cups. For instance the Porsche Cup, Ferrarri Challenge and the new Maserati Cup being fought again this year.
If Manufacturers like Ferrari want to insist on their own exclusivity and others proving they are good enough to sit on a grid with them - let them, there is plenty more action around than Ferrari Spotting.
F1 is again bordering on the cure for insomnia this year, unless you count 'excitement' as accidents and brushes with death.
Yeah I know thats what draws most crowds but PLEASE tell me there IS more to motor sport than accident watching.
For me the Series that also draw good manufacturers are the likes of JTCC,DTM and manufacturer specific Cups. For instance the Porsche Cup, Ferrarri Challenge and the new Maserati Cup being fought again this year.
If Manufacturers like Ferrari want to insist on their own exclusivity and others proving they are good enough to sit on a grid with them - let them, there is plenty more action around than Ferrari Spotting.
It might not be sooooo bad with Jaguar gone, at least it gives the likes of Arden the chance to move up from F3000 if they want and at least they're committed, something which Jaguar never seemed to be to me.
Also, if we do have to go down the 3 car route, it's not like it never occurred before. I think McLaren had 4 cars in the early seventies when they couldn't decide if they were sponsored by Marlboro and Yardley! Also, remember that Ferrari consistently ran 3 cars throughout the early sixties. It was only twenty years ago that I seem to remember Williams running a third car for, I think, Johnathen Palmer at Brands.
Only problem would be that Ferrari would then have to work out how to delay two pitstops rather than one to let Schummi win and still not get caught out in the 'team orders' saga.
Ne'er mind, as me old mum always says "it'll all come out in the wash.....", what "it" is we haven't quite fathomed........
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Also, if we do have to go down the 3 car route, it's not like it never occurred before. I think McLaren had 4 cars in the early seventies when they couldn't decide if they were sponsored by Marlboro and Yardley! Also, remember that Ferrari consistently ran 3 cars throughout the early sixties. It was only twenty years ago that I seem to remember Williams running a third car for, I think, Johnathen Palmer at Brands.
Only problem would be that Ferrari would then have to work out how to delay two pitstops rather than one to let Schummi win and still not get caught out in the 'team orders' saga.
Ne'er mind, as me old mum always says "it'll all come out in the wash.....", what "it" is we haven't quite fathomed........
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QUOTE JTCC anyone?
You big tease!
He's right, of course. You get much more 'spectacle' with JGTC and DTM imho.
But I don't care for one make series and F1 is near enough a one make in terms of the visuals - all that talent, all that money, all those clones, running around incapable of stepping out of the slipstream and making it stick. Very sad.
You big tease!
He's right, of course. You get much more 'spectacle' with JGTC and DTM imho.
But I don't care for one make series and F1 is near enough a one make in terms of the visuals - all that talent, all that money, all those clones, running around incapable of stepping out of the slipstream and making it stick. Very sad.
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QUOTE all those clones, running around incapable of stepping out of the slipstream and making it stick.
Only seems to happen in F1 though Wankel.
Ferrari Challenge is cool to watch, as is the Porsche Super Cup.
Loads of action and I don't mean crash and burn type stuff.
Only seems to happen in F1 though Wankel.
Ferrari Challenge is cool to watch, as is the Porsche Super Cup.
Loads of action and I don't mean crash and burn type stuff.
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Anyone watch the V8 Aussie tourers? Their great to watch and not afraid to share paint either. Actually alot of the Aussie stuff is good. The V8 Brutes are OK and the commentators are hilarious, I think its the GTP series that has Evos and Imprezas battling with RX7s, R32 Golfs and Monaros etc. Nations cup is cool too with 360s, Diablos and Porsches going for it.
I like JGTC and have just bought an NSX bodyshell to run in our upcoming winter RC touring car season - I've always run an R34 skyline shell so it'll be odd driving something new for a while.
I like JGTC and have just bought an NSX bodyshell to run in our upcoming winter RC touring car season - I've always run an R34 skyline shell so it'll be odd driving something new for a while.
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So Ford has closed the Jaguar factory in Coventry (News).
A shame really. They are also pulling out of F1 motorsport as it is not profitable... "Ford has decided it can no longer make a compelling business case for any of its brands to compete in F1." says Joe Greenwell, Jaguar's chairman.
I wonder if they'll make NASCARs with the Jags that will be made in the States
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A shame really. They are also pulling out of F1 motorsport as it is not profitable... "Ford has decided it can no longer make a compelling business case for any of its brands to compete in F1." says Joe Greenwell, Jaguar's chairman.
I wonder if they'll make NASCARs with the Jags that will be made in the States
QUOTE The V8 Brutes are OK and the commentators are hilarious,
Couldn't agree more!
Car clips another car, spins, flips, takes out two other cars, all of them end up on their roofs, no bodywork left, engine on the otherside of the track, wheels nowhere to be seen, cars burst into flames and the commentator adds... "oooooooh, that's gotta hurt!".
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It's pretty funny 'cos everyone knows each other and commentators often come out with things like "Ah, Bruce'll have his mind on his dog, Benny, whose got some problems with his stomach at the moment" whilst Bruce is overtaking someone at 180mph on an offcamber corner...
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Couldn't agree more!
Car clips another car, spins, flips, takes out two other cars, all of them end up on their roofs, no bodywork left, engine on the otherside of the track, wheels nowhere to be seen, cars burst into flames and the commentator adds... "oooooooh, that's gotta hurt!".
It's pretty funny 'cos everyone knows each other and commentators often come out with things like "Ah, Bruce'll have his mind on his dog, Benny, whose got some problems with his stomach at the moment" whilst Bruce is overtaking someone at 180mph on an offcamber corner...
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QUOTE Ferrari Challenge is cool to watch, as is the Porsche Super Cup.
Downforce not such an issue, is it!
V8 Touring Cars is fun to watch, must be the accent.
Downforce not such an issue, is it!
V8 Touring Cars is fun to watch, must be the accent.
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