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#82 ·
With Scaley and Ninco going to the Crash-Resistant, Dark window, type cars,
I welcome something New!!!!
The price range now for these dark window slot cars is from 40 (Scaley) to 80 bucks US for Ninco. $50.00 does not look bad??
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#83 ·
I have dropped Kyosho an email for the price and chassis/body configuration:

- Does every body have a specific chassis, or can you change the chassis with some parts to mount other body's?
Yes, all the body has a speciic chassis. As you may understand, each car has its own wheel-base, so in general the body has a specific chassis to fit on.
Then, at this moment we don't have spare parts to mount other bodies but in coming season you may get this for sure.
- This is great for dNano, of course, but on a NINCO track you can also run 1/28 cars. Do you plan a Slot-Z chassis?
At this moment we only focus on 1:43scale Dslot43.
- Is there any indication on the price, and how will these cars be sold?
Concerning to the price, our target/suggested retail price is EUR27-30.

GREAT PRICE, even it's only for the chassis!!!!
 
#84 · (Edited by Moderator)
QUOTE (oldtamiyaphile @ 5 Feb 2011, 07:25) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I have a dNaNo, these are the first R/C car line where the bodies are all EXACTLY to scale, to the point where you have to do a major rebuilt in order to change bodies. The simpler nature of slot models should make body swapping much easier. Near as I can tell the body mounting is the same as dNaNo. The best news is that they will run on 1/32 track, as I have never been able to really get a 1/43 to work on 1/32 track previously.

Here's my dNaNo 1/32 conversion in progress:

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It's easy to stretch the wheelbase on the R/C car but it looks like the slot chassis might require more drastic action. Anyway, if you're commited to 1/32 you will be able to use some micro car bodies on the Kyosho chassis, maybe add a little lane way racing between buildings that are too close for regular size cars.

Knowing Kyosho these won't be cheap, the dNaNos are $300 for just the car alone and the essential tuning parts of bearings and diff. With my fancy transmitter I've got about $800 in mine...

The bodies are ~$40 so I can't see these being much under $100/ car.

Your rc conversion looks great I would love to see more pictures and details.

On the other hand the price you say for the dnanos is totally off if $ means American dollars, the most you can pay for a dnano car is $180 and least is $130 (these are regular prices and depend on the models). One can also find better prices but luck is involved. I got the transmitter, battery, charger and the car for $240. Later I got a better transmitter for $160. I would say one should get a good transmitter Ex 5UR for $160, a battery for $20, a charger for $40 and a car for $140 (170 if you want a group C car). So for $360 you get the best you can get dnano wise.
 
#85 ·
Had a good chat to Kyosho in Germany at the fair and they are looking at 25-30 Euros for the cars ! the detail was great and they ran very well on the Ninco track they were using.

One thing I noticed was how robust they were.. watching people getting carried away the cars were flying off with no damage at all.
 
#86 · (Edited by Moderator)
Yes, the car shells are very strong since they are used in the dnanos which people bang against borders at top speeds regularly. The question is how well do DSlot43 run without magnets. With magnets a small car (hence little weight) is basically totally fixed by the magnet. Mudchukka, did you see then run without magnets?
 
#89 ·
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Email response:
Thank you very much for your email about Dslot43. Very glad to know you are interested in.

Concerning to the pre order, we have not fixed yet any of distirbution network, so we will announce it on the website once we get fixed, which could be around end of March.
We may pick up a couple of distributors at the world-wide, so you may contact one of the closest distributors to carry or place the pre order.

Our target release date will be in August/September 2011.

Thank you again for your interest in our Dslot43.

Regards,
Team Dslot43, KYOSHO JAPAN
 
#90 ·
Well sascws90, I guess your an official part of this thing eh!?

Good to know and happy, to have you in my backyard (more or less!)

If you need me to test one of these on my 1/43 scale routed layout I would be most happy to do so!!

Or you could drive up I45 an have a go yourself!!
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I like the layout and most everything about the cars we have seen so far, but I am curious; what happens when you want to do a convertible or some small car where the layout does not suit the long can 1/32 scale motor?? Also what size are the axles???

Welcome and keep us informed!

I asked this question on another board; maybe you could enlighten us to the events that led up to Kyosho not only jumping into slot cars, but 1/43 in particular? Inquiring minds want to know!
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#93 ·
QUOTE (rallyP @ 6 Feb 2011, 17:50) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Your rc conversion looks great I would love to see more pictures and details.

On the other hand the price you say for the dnanos is totally off if $ means American dollars, the most you can pay for a dnano car is $180 and least is $130 (these are regular prices and depend on the models). One can also find better prices but luck is involved. I got the transmitter, battery, charger and the car for $240. Later I got a better transmitter for $160. I would say one should get a good transmitter Ex 5UR for $160, a battery for $20, a charger for $40 and a car for $140 (170 if you want a group C car). So for $360 you get the best you can get dnano wise.

Thanks, I'm currently building a room for a slot/ rc/ train layout so the models have to wait. I've actually re-done the engine for the third time (pic shows first go), the kit didn't come with engine detail and i keep finding problems.

So let's say a dNaNo costs $180, $20 batts (you'll want more than one), $30 for bearings, $60 ball diff, I run mine with a EX-10 Eurus + 902SM $400 (which I did get specifically for dNaNo). I also use a $100 charger. That's $800. So when I say car plus essential tuning parts (any racer will tell you you NEED bearings and a ball diff - and IMO this car has benefited from these more than any R/C I've ever had) it really does add up to $300. When they first came out, the car alone cost $270, so at least they've come down a bit. We haven't even gotten to the other stuff a serious racer might want, like the ICS cable, alu hubs & wheels, damper plate, gyro etc at which point you've topped $1000 for a 1/43 r/c scale car.
 
#94 · (Edited by Moderator)
Yes, I can see that if one wants one can spend whatever money one wants. But the question is if it is necessary and in my opinion is not for home tracks. I think the equivalent logic of your spending in slot cars would be saying that one needs to spend around $600 for using slots (without counting the track), when you can do quite well under $100 (slot.it car + Parma controller).

The choice of the Ex-10 Ur 10 + dnano module $400 is definitely a luxury if you can go with the Ex-5 UR which directly works for the dnanos (no need for the module) for $150 and has plenty of adjustments. The ICS cable is not necessary and I would even say the gyro is not necessary for some cars (in home tracks). Bearing and ball differentials yes they are important if you are racing in the RC tracks at high speeds but on home tracks, why? It might improve handling a little bit but you do not need it. I run a dnano car with total control with an out of the box car and the simple transmitter PERFEX KT-18 (altogether $260). The track is quite challenging and I get scale 200km/h average speed so what am I missing?
 
#95 ·
QUOTE (sascws90 @ 10 Feb 2011, 05:46) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Isn't Dallas a part of the Ice Bowl Now??? 27 Here Now!!!

Yeah, but 70+ today!
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Sorry earlier I thought you were talking personal knowledge and it was not until I looked at it later that I realized you were quoting someone else!

Of, course offer to come run on my track when you are in town still stands!!
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#96 · (Edited by Moderator)
QUOTE (rallyP @ 13 Feb 2011, 18:12) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>The choice of the Ex-10 Ur 10 + dnano module $400 is definitely a luxury if you can go with the Ex-5 UR which directly works for the dnanos (no need for the module) for $150 and has plenty of adjustments. The ICS cable is not necessary and I would even say the gyro is not necessary for some cars (in home tracks). Bearing and ball differentials yes they are important if you are racing in the RC tracks at high speeds but on home tracks, why? It might improve handling a little bit but you do not need it. I run a dnano car with total control with an out of the box car and the simple transmitter PERFEX KT-18 (altogether $260).

Just to be clear I said *I* have $800 in *my* dNaNo,. I didn't say anyone HAD to put that much into it to have fun, but even the $240 minimum is a lot for such a small car (but totally worth it), compared to say a Micro-T or HPI RS32. However you did say for $360 you could have the best you can dNaNo wise, and that's just not true, and my pricing is not 'totally off'.

If you buy a EX-5 UR ASF, you've got a TX that will only run ASF cars. With Eurus I can run anything on wheels (or waves) with AM, FM, KO 2.4g and ASF modules. It also has 40 model memories, the response time is twice as fast too (fastest of any system available). For me 7 model memories and ASF only makes the EX-5 a waste since I would basically still want an EX-10.

As for the car, I stand by the statement that the car needs bearings and a ball diff (and on carpet a damper of some kind). I've been into R/C 20 years and could not believe the difference the bearings made. The diff makes the car smoother, quieter and more consistent. A ball diff is more important at low speeds on tight/ slippery tracks, where getting power to both wheels is essential. On high grip tracks ball diffs help keep power delivery consistent when you lift wheels over curbs or sweepers.

Ten years ago there was a 1/43 car called the Epoch Indoor Racer:

http://members.iinet.com.au/~bertrand/in32/epoch/home.html

They cost about $80 RTR when launched and on my track can still hang with a NaNo. IMO a NaNo without even bearings or a diff is just an Epoch with phenomenal electronics, for years we wished someone would give us those options for Epoch, it never happened on a significant scale, though a one man band did eventually make and sell such a thing.

You don't have to spend big money to have fun, but sometimes that's part of it
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#99 ·
Quote oldtami...."If you buy a EX-5 UR ASF, you've got a TX that will only run ASF cars. With Eurus I can run anything on wheels (or waves) with AM, FM, KO 2.4g and ASF modules. It also has 40 model memories, the response time is twice as fast too (fastest of any system available). For me 7 model memories and ASF only makes the EX-5 a waste since I would basically still want an EX-10."

Good grief, I have no idea, I mean really no idea....
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I'd better get back under my rock until the shuttle back to Pluto arrives
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#100 ·
All due respect, aside from the RC gibberish, does anyone know who will market these in the US? Great looking bodies. The decision to go with 1/43 is kinda puzzling and sort of locks them into toy status, and that's too bad cause the 1/32nd and even the 1/24th racing hobby needs a buttkick here. My experience with Kyosho was over two decades ago with 1/10th RC and they were very competitive and make terrific stuff. I guess they're just afraid to compete in the 1/32nd market with Slot.it, Scalectrix, Ninco, etc. and all the rest.
 
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