thanks coop , ill get the hang of the picture thingsoon, the thing that sparked off the serch for that photo was the link on coop,s thing about dave"tubby"day, the forum of late carry,s things about, marshal,s, things not being new etc, if you read the coop link you see we where talking about the samethings back in the rail day,s!!! dose anything change all that much? stan whitbread was running suspention back then. youwill notice the tony whitbread is oggling my trophy, itwas a lovely thing , a white plinth with mercury on the top, this was for second place in the GP,every one was trying to come second to get there grubby little hands on it, in the race Vi took off like a scallded cat, i followed but got passed by young tony, he thought he had the second place and that trophy but his car went up in a cloud of smoke! tough. the thing i remeber about this time, slot was coming into being and i was running rail and slot cars, not having a lot of loot at that time {thats another thing that ,s not changed} i ran 4 cars,changing them from rail to slot and back again for the 2 types of racing, i would be half way to a meeting and start to wonder, have i got a rail shoe or a slot guide on them !!!. as john noticed there where alot of lady,s racing in those days, you where hard pressed to beat some of them, i think Vi whitbread won about everything going, the guys put on tie,s also, gentlemen or what!! i dont know about the lady,s, but you must remember this was "pre-thong" times. cheers mac p