Maserati tipo151/3, the Drogo coupe

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carver

Discussion Starter · Oct 31, 2017 (Edited by Moderator)

Another beautiful loser (sometimes called tipo152).

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Photos are from leMans -64.

If anybody should be interested, the full story of these cars can be read here: http://www.theautochannel.com/publications/magazines/sci/apr-may-97/maserati.frame

I don't really trust the plan view I have found on the web, but you can find plenty of period photos.

The lime wood shell is made much the same way as I did the Maser Zagato 450s coupe last year, so no need for an endless build thread again.

We can move on a little quicker, at least for a start...

Some pics of the work so far.

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I am going for the cut up version with a "skylight", not the alu-silver prototype.

This is where I am at present.

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Very soon I will have to take a break. I need to figure out how to go about with the curved windscreen.

I don't do vac forming, it would take me long to build a former and learn how to.

It would also take long to cut up 684 PET-bottles trying to find the right shape...

Any idea or advice?

Cheers Carver

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gus3049

· #2 · Oct 31, 2017 (Edited by Moderator)

Nice one Carver. As you know, I did this one too so when you find about doing the screen.....you can tell me! Mine is still sitting on the shelf waiting......

As a matter of interest, what wheelbase did you make it? I have the plastic kit version too but it is minute, I reckon about 1/35th. Looking at it in comparison to the GT40, it doesn't look that small, even allowing for the gap between the two.

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GRUNZ

· #3 · Oct 31, 2017

Very nice. The overall line captured quite well.

Given that you might be needing more and more of these windscreen, does not make sense to get on with the vacforming?

carver

Discussion Starter · #4 · Oct 31, 2017 (Edited by Moderator)

Yes, I fear there are no shortcuts for the screen...

Or else I have to stick to older cars...

I have made a 75 mm wheelbase, hope it is right. It should be a little longer than the "normal" 151.

But I am not really a calliper guy...

For me it is also about getting the right impression together with the wheels I have availible.

Carver

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gus3049

· #5 · Oct 31, 2017

carver said:
Yes, I fear there are no shortcuts for the screen...

I have made a 75 mm wheelbase, hope it is right. It should be a little longer than the "normal" 151.

But I am not really a calliper guy...

Carver

That is precisely what I made it

I scaled up from the wheels. The kit is considerably smaller. I'm glad you did the same as I trust our eyes rather more than the kit makers.

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carver

Discussion Starter · #6 · Oct 31, 2017 (Edited by Moderator)

If there are two of us, then it must be right!

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gus3049

· #7 · Oct 31, 2017

But of course.

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Phil Kalbfell

· #8 · Oct 31, 2017

The wheelbase should be 72 mm, so that makes you version around 1/30.8 scale.
All this information and plans are still around on the net.

gus3049

· #9 · Oct 31, 2017

When I was looking, there were two or three different specs I found. The Model Maker drawing scaled at 75mm and that's what I used. I'm sure we had this conversation at the time and I still think that I have the scale right for the version I have modelled.

carver

Discussion Starter · #10 · Oct 31, 2017 (Edited by Moderator)

Hi Phil,

I guess we can always find different specs for this kind of cars, I got my 2400mm from "Ultimate car page" and "Tech racing cars", 10 cm longer than "standard" 151.

I have read somewhere it was extended some inches.

1/32 will be 75 mm. What is right or wrong I don't know!

Cheers Carver

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Ecurie Martini

· #11 · Oct 31, 2017

Well, it's looking great and even if a few mm off, it's a lot loser than a bunch of commercial stuff.

EM

Phil Kalbfell

· #12 · Oct 31, 2017

I have some 1/30 scale moulded from Scalex that are smaller than some RTR versions!
I think many Manufacturers extend the scale to suit what they want!
I think a lot if these cars changed during their racing life as repairs and new panels were made.
Finding the true info is like trying to match the exact colours from old pics, almost impossible.

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gus3049

· #13 · Nov 1, 2017 (Edited by Moderator)

Phil Kalbfell said:
Finding the true info is like trying to match the exact colours from old pics, almost impossible.

Ain't that the truth!

The Hawk kit is actually labelled 5000GT. Going by the attached, it's a centimeter too short! Maybe there were two! Or three, Bertone made one as well! Obviously, you need to match pics to specs!

Easy to get confused then.

And then 152 specs!!

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PeterSussex

· #14 · Nov 1, 2017

I often wonder where all these specifications come from and how accurate they actually are.

A close look at contemporary photographs seems to show distinct differences in the shape of the 1964 and 1965 bodies, especially around the side windows, which seem to have a definite sweep up on the 1964 car, when compared to the later 1965 car.

Orsini, in his 'Maserati' book, states...'for 1965 renovating once again in its frame, body and engine, increased to slightly more than five litres.'

Peter.

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gus3049

· #15 · Nov 1, 2017 (Edited by Moderator)

Absolutely. In racing, cars are probably modified from race to race. Back then, they were much simpler and it didn't take a computer, an entire factory and a few million pounds. A mechanic with a hacksaw, a spanner and some skill would probably do the job (almost!)

Who knows where the specs come from? Someone with a tape? The original drawings? Someone's memory?

In the end, the exact scale, it seems to me, is considerably less important than that the model captures the feel of the original. On this basis, Carver's is spot on.

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Phil Kalbfell

· #16 · Nov 1, 2017

I think that some of the confusion comes from the fact that 151/3 was originally chassis no. 151/002 1962 then in 63 rebuilt and renumbered as 151/1 then modified again in 64 then renumbered again as 151/3 and then again as 151/4
All very confusing. I wonder how much was rebuilt each time?

carver

Discussion Starter · #17 · Nov 1, 2017 (Edited by Moderator)

Yes Peter, I do often wonder about the origin of specifications. I have learned to be suspicious, especially if only a few were made.

Sometimes I have a feeling the specs just have appeared somewhere and then been repeated over and over what ever they are right or wrong.

These are eternal issues we have to live with.

Here are my thoughts about this particular car.

The major changes were made when three Tipo 151...

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...were rebuilt for the Drogo design....

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….including the longer wheelbase. 2400mm is what I've found most likely, may be right or may be wrong.

Those cars were later to be crashed rebuilt and/or changed. But would they change the wheelbase?

I decided to believe they did not. You have to have something to start from when you begin carving, can't carve an adjustable wheelbase...

Then of course look at period photos of a certain car.

I may not be too serious about this, I just want to have a little fun!

Cheers Carver

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gus3049

· #18 · Nov 1, 2017

I like that particular version as it doesn't have faired in headlights. Two fewer bits of curved glass to worry about

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GRUNZ

· #19 · Nov 1, 2017

Those maserati look really beautiful cars.

carver

Discussion Starter · #20 · Nov 2, 2017

I like that one too, partly I think, because there are really great black and white photos of it!

The headlamp covers may not be too difficult. I plan to use clear acrylic rod, if that dose not work I go for the plastic-kit-spare-bin and if that dose not work something else...

It is the windscreen that bothers me. Meanwhile I will work on another project and suddenly a bright idea will come up! I hope...

Carver

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