Maserati tipo151/3, the Drogo coupe

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carver

Discussion Starter · Oct 31, 2017 (Edited by Moderator)

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Another beautiful loser (sometimes called tipo152).

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Photos are from leMans -64.

If anybody should be interested, the full story of these cars can be read here: http://www.theautochannel.com/publications/magazines/sci/apr-may-97/maserati.frame

I don't really trust the plan view I have found on the web, but you can find plenty of period photos.

The lime wood shell is made much the same way as I did the Maser Zagato 450s coupe last year, so no need for an endless build thread again.

We can move on a little quicker, at least for a start...

Some pics of the work so far.

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I am going for the cut up version with a "skylight", not the alu-silver prototype.

This is where I am at present.

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Very soon I will have to take a break. I need to figure out how to go about with the curved windscreen.

I don't do vac forming, it would take me long to build a former and learn how to.

It would also take long to cut up 684 PET-bottles trying to find the right shape...

Any idea or advice?

Cheers Carver

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gus3049

· #81 · Jun 7, 2020

carver said:
Gordon, seen from my point of view and knowing your carving skills, I think you'd be better of making your own Drogo.

Carver

A 24th scale Drogo would be a great idea - thanks for the thought

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carver

Discussion Starter · #82 · Jun 14, 2020 (Edited by Moderator)

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As many times before I mess it up in the last phase. Glue on the fingers, glazing problems, stains, you name it!

I might return someday and rework it, but for now, I am done!

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Looks pretty OK on track...

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and at the parking lot.

Thanks for looking

Carver

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carver

Discussion Starter · #83 · Jun 14, 2020 (Edited by Moderator)

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Forgot the side view.

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You can see on the side screen it was a rainy day!

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gus3049

· #84 · Jun 14, 2020

I hope mine looks half as good!

carver

Discussion Starter · #85 · Jun 14, 2020

It will look better, Gordon. All you have to do is avoid my mistakes.

Carver

gus3049

· #86 · Jun 14, 2020

carver said:
It will look better, Gordon. All you have to do is avoid my mistakes.

Carver

I'm quite capable of making my own

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David Lawson

· #87 · Jun 15, 2020

It is these tiny errors and imperfections that give the hand built scratchbuilt car the charm and individuality - and they are all the better for it.

David

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gus3049

· #88 · Jun 15, 2020

David Lawson said:
It is these tiny errors and imperfections that give the hand built scratchbuilt car the charm and individuality - and they are all the better for it.

David

It does sound daft but quite often I find that the small drifts from accuracy capture the feel of the full size car better than rigid adherence to fidelity. Good excuse anyway

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Coides

· #89 · Jun 15, 2020

You're all mad!

gus3049

· #90 · Jun 15, 2020

Coides said:
You're all mad!

More than likely but I'm not sure what difference it makes!

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Ecurie Martini

· #91 · Jun 15, 2020

gus3049 said:
It does sound daft but quite often I find that the small drifts from accuracy capture the feel of the full size car better than rigid adherence to fidelity. Good excuse anyway

This is a concept very widely discussed in modeling circles including model railroading. Similarly, a (painted) portrait may better capture the sense of a subject vs a photograph. In modeling, a lot of it may stem from the very different perspectives in which the prototype and model are seen. As an example, standing next to a 450s Maserati, there is a sense of brutish elegance. As a model, it is clear that it is actually a relatively small car.

EM

RichD

· #92 · Jun 15, 2020

Some years ago I read an article by the person that modeled the bodies for Tamiya, he said that if you simply scaled down the 1:1 car that it was not likely to look right. When I was doing HO cars I started with the correct proportions and adjusted things from there. In short you are not going to be happy with a model that does not look right, even if it is in perfect scale.

carver

Discussion Starter · #93 · Jun 16, 2020 (Edited by Moderator)

These are all interesting point of views, an everlasting discussion that will turn up now and then.

Personally, I am a "doer", I don't go too much into theories. I look at photos and the model, trying to get it look "right" within the given measures.

Just for fun, trying to catch the essence. Sometimes it turns out very well!

This particular car I think is one of them.

When I wrote something about reworking it I meant glazing, painting, that sort of things that make it look pretty when it is blown up.

The basal shape of this model is as good as I ever can hope for...

Carver

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DNQ

· #94 · Jun 16, 2020

Having worked in design studios of various full size manufacturers I have seen on many occasions a 1/4 scale model does not "work" when reproduced in full size. No consistent reason, it just didn't look right. The same can happen in reverse, in this case some features that define the full scale car don't stand out on the smaller model - that's where the skill and eye of the modeller are required, to get the look right regardless of mm.
Great work by the way

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carver

Discussion Starter · #95 · Jun 16, 2020

Thanks, DNQ!

As I have worked as a sculptor (full size and small size) for many years, I can only confirm: Size does matter!

Cheers Carver

Ecurie Martini

· #96 · Jun 16, 2020

Working on an example of this right now - late 30's MB GP cars. They are covered in louvres. I can work out the louvre spacing - measure a row and compare it to the wheelbase measured on a good side view, count the louvres and divide - not perfect but close. I can make louvres any size I want. I use a Dremel tool in a small X Y Z system to engrave machinists wax, take a mold and cast a sheet of louvres from which I cut an appropriate strip. OK so far but doing this on a model, insetting the strip, pulling a mold and casting a body, the louvres essentially disappear and the impression of a heavily louvres hood (bonnet) is lost.

EM

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gteye

· #97 · Jun 17, 2020

EM,

If the louvres essentially disappear after casting the body, why not cast the body and then fit the strip of louvres?

Geoff

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gus3049

· #98 · Jun 17, 2020

Louvres seem to be a case in point. The details disappear when scaling down so best to make them over scale so the effect is there. I use electrical ties of different sizes that seem to look OK as here.

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Ecurie Martini

· #99 · Jun 17, 2020

gteye said:
EM,

If the louvres essentially disappear after casting the body, why not cast the body and then fit the strip of louvres?

Geoff

The louvres are accurately reproduced in the body casting. The point was that "scale" louvres do not provide an effective image when seen in the context of the complete shell.

EM

carver

Discussion Starter · #100 · Jun 20, 2020

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I have done some screen polishing on the red wooden car. A little bit better, now I dare blowing it up!

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Thanks for looking

Carver

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