[SAMPSON]

hi, heres a 1/32 slot car set made by industrias plasticas sa around 1962-63 in Mexico. These are copies of Strombecker jags they built in 1960. These cars were copied without license from Strombecker. The cars have a 3.5 volt motor. The motor is mounted up front of the chassis with a long 2 piece drive shaft. I believe this was the 1st set they made. Like the 1st strombecker there was no clear plastic windshields or headlights. The owners manual has a photo of a Scalextric set in it! The box cover looks like a ripoff of Aurora & the flag man of strombecker. they also made a maserati 250(1956), ferrari testa rosa(1957), jag e(1962) ,perhaps a cooper f1,& their only original car a mercedes 300 slr(1955) in 2 versions.this is a very rare set. thanks, Bernard

 

[dgersh]

Amazin' - as the dreaded 1969 Mets would say (yes, I'm a Cubs fan and that year broke my baseball heart for good...).

What's really strange is the "Autorama"! That was the brand name of A.C. Gilbert, and became the standard name for slot cars in Brazil, and probably in Latin America in general, because Gilbert was the first to enter that market... But I wouldn't have thought that Mexico was part of that market, since there was (already?) production by Lily Ledy of Eldon, Strombecker and other brands, under license I think...

These were the earliest Strombecker 1/32 cars too, so from 1959 or 1960 - if the set really came out in 1962 or 63 they were really behind the times.

Are those the nice two piece wire wheels by Strombecker, used only in their early cars?

Just amazin' the number of variations we're finding - thanks Bernard!

Don

 

[SAMPSON]

hi do,yes they are the 2 piece wire wheels.im guessing at the date. all their cars were updated just like strombecker(glass,chassis,motor,etc)i looked @ my site this morning & saw all my pictures were gone for this make.i have several more cars,so i will have my work cut out for me tonight.thanks,bernard

 

[Pechuga_VLC]

Sampson and Bernard, alll the model cars and body variants are :

Jaguar D Le Mans´54
replika1.evo0.s2evo1 with Kako 3,5V motor
replika1.evo0.s2evo3 with Mabuchi 15r long shaft 12V motor
replika1.evo1.s2evo3 with Mabuchi 15r long shaft 12V motor
replika1.evo2.s2.evo3 with " another " unknown " motor

Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa street´57
replica2.evo0.s3evo0 with Mabuchi 15r long shaft 12V motor
replica2.evo1.s3evo0 with Mabuchi 15r long shaft 12V motor
replica2.evo2.s3evo0 with " another " unknown " motor

Maserati F250´56
replika3.s1.evo0 with Mabuchi 15r long shaft 12V motor or " another " unknown motor

Mercedes 300 coupe SLR´55
original4.evo0 with Mabuchi 15r long shaft 12V motor
original5.evo1 with Mabuchi 15r long or short shaft 12V motor or " another " unknown 12V motor

Ferrari 250 GTO Prototype´62
replika5.s10.evo0 with Mabuchi 15r long shaft 12V motor

Jaguar type E´62
replika6.s11.evo0 with Mabuchi 15r long or short shaft 12V motor or " another " unknown 12V motor

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nomenglatura :

s = Strombecker
j = Jugarama

2 = 2º model of mark ...
evo0 = evolution state 0, without evolution in body, evo1 = evolution state 1 or 1º evolution.

 

[Pechuga_VLC]

The cars that shows Bernard are a pair of white and red Jaguar D Le Mans´54 replika1.evo0.s2evo1 with Kako 3,5V motor.

That´s mean :
1º evolution body of the 2º cars of Strombecker is copied, it´s the 1º replika of jugarama in his evolution body 0 or without evolution.

This has the same engine that carried the Strombecker to that copy. This is a 3.5 V motor Kako. The rest is all copy, bodywork, crown, chassis, driver, decals, wheels, tires, the guide ... ALL ... even the same colors ( white and red ) that were injected Strombecker Jaguar D evolution body 1.

However, the body has a stamp which reads: " Industrias Plásticas SA, hecho en México DF ".

 

[Pechuga_VLC]

Don,

Gilbert used the name " Autorama " in his sets home circuits since USA´61.

Estrela later purchased the licensing rights to manufacture Gilbert in Brazil ( 1963 ), so the first sets were sold in Brazil known as Autorama and this name is now known that the hobby of slot in Brazil.

However, the story in Mexico is different. The company " Industrias plásticas Jugarama SA " had no problem in copying what he wanted without any license, as had no problem calling his arm slot as "Autorama", but is not related to Gilbert Estrela.

The Fabricant is " Industrias plásticas Jugarama SA " and the toys is called " Autorama ", also fabricants Strombeck-Becker, Dowst, DMA, Mont Blanc and Hermanos Payá marketed a toys called as " Strombecker " .

The truth is that everything is back to Strombecker except only one thing that is copied to Aurora: the cover of a set of HO scale track in Aurora. The only thing original is the body of the Mercedes 300 SLR. If not original, I also detected a motorcycle, be forgiven for not knowing, but only I am interested in cars.

 

[Pechuga_VLC]

Don,

Strombecker the first cars are pre-1959 ... but they are not slot.

The first slot cars are Strombecker 1959 ... but they are 1:24.
The first slot car 1:32 scale strombecker predate October 1960, these two models, the:

Maserati s1.evo0 250F'56 (red)
Jaguar D Le Mans'54 s2.evo0 (white)

All of them are in the form of motorkit (1 º motorkit slot modern world), in the form of bodykit without motor (1 st bodykit slot modern world) and RTR to form part of the first circuit Americans slot modern at 1.32 (one year earlier in scale 1:24), the H30 and H31 as referenced.

Subsequent to October 1960 is produced and the first change in the Jaguar D so let us talk of:

Jaguar D Le Mans'54 s2.evo1 (white and red)

the body is modified to carry economic engine Mabuchi, who will mount these versions, which in turn will be mounted only on circuits 312 and 313 made by Strombeck-Becker mass in Moline factory for Christmas 1960.

Because it is a copy of something made in October 1960, the copy must have been made sometime after October 1960 ... but as it holds that the cover of the circuits are in turn copies the covers of the circuit sets the 1961 Aurora HO ... must be at least sometime after 1961.

When Industrias plásticas Jugarama SA copied Strombecker, he did for his first model, but the Jaguar D Evo1, not evo0.

 

[Pechuga_VLC]

Bernard,

I need you to do me a favor:

Can you please take photos or scans for all catalog pages of the first Autorama in Mexico? .

Thanks

 

[SAMPSON]

hi,jose,i will put photos of the catalog & the ferrari testa rosas
& the 2 different mercedes i have.i will do it tomorrow night.isnt strange that the photo in the owners manual is of a scalextric set ? bernard sampson

 

[SAMPSON]

hi jose, here is each page of the owners manual.here is the later jag d version with a much later motor,different wheels,& clear plastic headlights & windshield,also notice the chassis mounting moulding is different from the earlier version(it doesnt have cutouts for the 3.5 volt motor.)also 2 different ferrari testa rosas,1 with glass.1 earlier without.the later 1 has chrome wheels not the earlier 2 piece wire wheels.here also are both versions of the mercedes 300.the earlier 1 had a long shaft 6 volt motor,no interior or clear plastic headlights.the later version had a 12 volt can motor,an interior & clear plastic headlights.notice the fence,its not strombecker at all but closer to scalextric.thanks,bernard

 

[Pechuga_VLC]

Oh by the way, I forgot to respond to the wheels:

normally the first car (about 60% of the production of jugarama) carry a copy of the beautiful common wheel 2 pieces of Strombecker'60 - summer'62. Later (about 40% of the production of jugarama) carry a copy of the fourth round of Strombecker summer'63 common, ones that are shaped like a honeycomb.

All the first Strombecker wheels 1:32.
The plastic wheels jugarama SA Industrias Strombecker copy, are those at the ends.

 

[Pechuga_VLC]

Thanks for posting the first catalog because I had only photographed a few pages. In the second catalog is named Cooper F.1 but I think it never left.

I do not consider the case of odd Jugarama, using a photograph of Scalextric in their catalog, I would consider other brands strange to see him more serious, but not in Jugarama, a brand that did not have any qualms about doing anything reply .

Many of you are surprised by this Mexican side slot. Never underestimate other countries! . Mexico has always been due to large investments of U.S. companies a strong chemical industry (and very good universities in science) and in particular, since the laws were more permissive environment than in the U.S., many chemical companies set up their factories to the other side of the border (currently still happening).

Mexico is a key issue worldwide manufacturer of plastics, but the slot for the community to be a country not known whether they had enough marks.

As for Mercedes, yes, I already know there are 2 types. If you want, I can take pictures of the 4 types of Jaguar D and 3 types of Ferrari Testa Rossa. This afternoon I will discuss your pieces, now I have to keep working ...

 

[Pechuga_VLC]

Jaguar D Le Mans´54 there´s 4 mold body type :
replika1.evo0.s2evo1 with Kako 3,5V motor
replika1.evo0.s2evo3 with Mabuchi 15r long shaft 12V motor
replika1.evo1.s2evo3 with Mabuchi 15r long shaft 12V motor
replika1.evo2.s2.evo3 with " another " unknown " motor

replicates the 1º evolution of body of the second model Strombecker, also the first model Jugarama will have up to 3 changes in its body, resulting in up to 4 different body types.

The fact that there are up to 4 body types does not follow a fad, but it addresses the need to adapt. The key factor in Jugarama is not quality jugarama, but the manufacturing economy, the most expensive part was the engine that were imported from Japan.
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The first body still without changes (type 1) is in the proper hooks to accommodate the engine side magnets problematic Kako of 3.5 V.
( sorry, this unit ist broken )

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When allowed to import the old engine is replaced by Mabuchi 15r in its long axis, a 12V motor and better performance but not without problems because it was so bulky, it creates the need to change the hooks (now the holes for the above motor magnets are blinded) and the pilot's cockpit (is trimmed in length). It also changes the guide and the crown. That´s type 2.

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In a second evolution (type 3) it improving the attachment of the body and chassis. The solution is as emphatic as it is effective: it adds a pivot that is the role of being the female where a screw is screwed. In addition, the chassis since then have holes to facilitate the passage of the screw. Yes, there is a screw and 2 holes, but remember that the chassis was common and the other hole was used for screwing in other models as we shall see later.

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Finally, Mabuchi motors are no longer used and are then replaced by a 12V motor of unknown origin (Japan, Mexico?) Closed with wound-type green and not so great as Mabuchi. The body was modified again for the third time to type 4 of the same mold. This time cockpit is trimmed in depth, because the new engine has a central position and not back as before, since that engine does not use a long shaft.

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[Pechuga_VLC]

Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa street´57
replica2.evo0.s3evo0 with Mabuchi 15r long shaft 12V motor
replica2.evo1.s3evo0 with Mabuchi 15r long shaft 12V motor
replica2.evo2.s3evo0 with " another " unknown " motor

copied from the body without changing the third model Strombecker, also Jugarama second model.

This will in the future up to 2 changes in the mold of the body that cause up to 3 different mold body types.

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Like Strombecker original, the copy of Jugarama is ready to bring the engine Kako 3.5 V but never rode the factory because they correspond to different times. Parts are compatible, but it is an anachronism.

The engine was the Mabuchi 15r in its long axis, so take the second type of guidance and crown. We speak of type 1

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The first evolution (type 2) reaches due to the enhanced power screwed directly onto the body, because it injects a female pivot screw.
Sorry, this unit is broken.

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Finally, from Japan and not imported engines and replaced by an unknown source engine (type 3). A third type of guidance and crown.

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[Pechuga_VLC]

Bernard,

before I continuing, Would you be so kind you see the back of your Ferrari Testa Rossa and tell me they are Type 1 or Type 2. I have doubts especially with black injected into the unit. I do not need you to do photos, I just want simply to know it.

Do they have or not have the female pivot bolt to the chassis with bodywork? .
I can not see in the picture because this area is covered by the chassis.
Thanks.

 

[SAMPSON]

hi jose,no it doesnt have the female plug.bernard

 

[Pechuga_VLC]

Although it may seem irrelevant, but to me it´s very important to know for research topics.

Thanks Bernard.

Then I continue ...

 

[Pechuga_VLC]

Maserati F250´56
replika3.s1.evo0 with Mabuchi 15r long shaft 12V motor or " another " unknown motor

Not all models had many compatibility problems with the changes, the Maserati 250F is an example.

The first Strombecker model in its initial state of evolution was also copied in Mexico, leading to the 3 rd replica of Jugarama.

Thanks to its concave body shape due to a " pincer effect ", the chassis are securely held, so no need to screw. Therefore it is a model that did not need to be modified and may see it with different mechanics, in particular with the Mabuchi 15r in its long axis (regardless if the chassis cover or no holes) and also the Source Engine unknown.

 

[TSRF]

Jose,
I discussed this subject matter with Bernard over the telephone yesterday.
Do you have any solid evidence that Industrias Plasticas did not have a manufacturing license from Cosmo-Dowst?
Being in a country next to the United States, and exporting their product to several countries in South America, it sounds very odd that they would not have a license, because Cosmo-Dowst would have CERTAINLY sued and easily won their lawsuit, and they had plenty of money to spend at that time... also one of the Shure brothers was a powerful lawyer.
Cosmo-Dowst successfully sued companies in the past for copying their products and patents, such as the Erie die-cast company and... Meccano (of which Dinky Toys were in violation of the Tootsietoys patents). Meccano had to pay royalties on every toy they sold until after the postwar era...
Regards,

Philippw

 

[Pechuga_VLC]

Dowst (Tootsie Toys) no patented the toy Strombecker until the spring of 1964, when he made the copyricht of Strombecker Corporation.

Industrias plásticas Jugarama SA did not commit an illegality Strombecker with yours Autorama, but an act devoid of morality. In any case, Industrias plásticas Jugarama SA had no problem to make improper use stuff will Aurora, Scalextric and Strombecker (as has been seen and commented on this post).

5 of the 6 models Autorama come another injection mold copied, I have no problem taking pictures comparing Strombecker-Aurora as it takes if there is any doubt.
by the way ... use of other colors and other qualities of plastics, of course.

Attention also to cases of Estrela and Lionel, who partially copied some things ( perhaps this is the way to circumvent the law, copying some things ) .

Cases of Mont Blanc and Hermanos Paya are another story, that if they are licensed Strombecker cases after contract revenue sharing partner, so if the original molds that came to be sent and used. In these cases, if they make use of the mark Strombecker to refer to what is being sold.