[Saviour]

I would just like to say a big 'Thank You' to Mrslotcar.ca' for replacing the rear wing on my 787B. As some of you will have read somewhere on here.
This is very good PR work on behalf of MSC.Ca. Other manufactures should take note. I will buy these cars again, Others I will not.

Thank you.

 

[f1rem0uth]

Hi, would also like to say thankyou to Mr Ernie Mossetti at MRSLOTCAR.CA for kindly sending me a replacement rear wing as the one on my new MAZDA 787B I purchased was wonky.
Also included to try out was a set of Motor Pod Springs, I was wanting to buy these anyway as I heard they work well on this car, so this was a nice bonus. Included in the pack was 2 conical shaped springs, they look nice quality, I haven't tried them just yet.

The only issue I have now though and I don't want to come across as a moaning old git, but the wing I was sent has exactly the same problem as the wing that came on the car when I purchased it new, it is still wonky and slopes to one side!.
Its not a major issue and I guess I can live with it, but I thought that was the reason why I was sent a replacement wing to start with.

I needed a new one anyway as I smashed my other wing and mount to pieces after a spin off the track, but I was going to save this one for show only, to prevent breaking it.

New car after buying still in box unopened, note wonky wing: http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i452/f.../DSCN6076-1.jpg

Car ready for fixing new wing and springs: http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i452/f...th/DSCN6263.jpg

New wing fixed, note the angle: http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i452/f...th/DSCN6266.jpg
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i452/f...th/DSCN6269.jpg
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i452/f...th/DSCN6264.jpg

Its not a major issue, and is not quite as wonky as the original wing was, but still it is not straight as it should be.

Here is picture of the finished Mazda, ready to rock and roll!
http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i452/f...th/DSCN6271.jpg

Thankyou Ernie, still love the car, as you can see I have kept it in tiptop shape, new wheels/tyres and stuff, original motor is fabulous, gears a quality too and the chassis is spot on. Its my fastest car yet, and is great fun to drive.

Just got to go and try out the new springs now.

 

[Saviour]

heres mine, wing square.

Kept the rear wheels, but shod with ' MAXXTRAC. tyres Silicones

Also, sprung motor mount, which you cannot see. Makes a big differenc in the way she handles corners.
Not far off an NSR or Slot.it. But in some cases, way better. When I skid pan her, we will then see what 'G's' she pulls. Best so far is 1.8G for the NSR Mosler, on NSR rubber. Want to get that over 2.

 

[f1rem0uth]

Hi, I've just fitted the MRSLOTCAR "springs" to the motor pod, I wasn't sure how to fit them at first, but I ended up putting them over the the two motor pod side screws with the small end of the springs facing down, simple job. The difference is very good, a must have upgrade if you have this car, the car goes well without them but it goes even better with the springs fitted, the car is smoother and corners faster than before. Very pleased with the result, an already brilliant car just keeps getting better.

Thanks again to Mr Ernie Mossetti at MRSLOTCAR.CA, as without his thoughtfulness & kindness I wouldn't have had these new parts today.

(Nice tyres them Maxxtrac Silicones, are they the M54, I have some but I'm saving them for now as I'm using Yellow Dogs urethanes 1402Y at the moment on my Mazda. The Maxxtrac silicone tryes come already with profiled outside edges so no need to sand them and they have a nice look to them because of this. Front tyres are Slotting Plus Zero Grips because they aren't as wide as the Slot.it Zero Grips and so fit better on my Mazda.)

 

[Saviour]

Screw into small end of spring, put screw into chassis, place spacer on top, screw into mount.

Or...

QUOTE Have look here,..the springs go over the screws that attach to the pods
arms. Remove the Spacer caps, they sit between the pod arm and the chassis
(the two round things in the pic foreground)
Loosen the fore and aft screws a little,..you can experiment with level of
"tightness"

Tighten the screw with the spring on it so it comes up to the top horiz face
of the pod arm. You'll see some Foam washers in the pic,..we just received
those the other day,..
Sean at Pendle will have these in stock in about a week or so,..you can
reserve a package with him. They are self stick and have a smooth plastic
finish on the top side so the pod arms don't bind.

You can use the springs alone for now,..maybe improvise with some foam if
you have some,..or wait a while to get the foam washers

If you PM me with your email address, I'll send on Ernies mail with photo.

 

[f1rem0uth]

QUOTE (Saviour @ 3 Dec 2011, 16:35) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Screw into small end of spring, put screw into chassis, place spacer on top, screw into mount.

Or...

If you PM me with your email address, I'll send on Ernies mail with photo.
Hi, PM sent.

I think I get what you mean, I tried both ways earlier, with the springs inside the car between the chassis and the spacer(lampshade shaped black plastic thing) with the pod arms on top, and then I tried just putting the springs over the pod side screws underneath the chassis, (small end of springs facing to the ground)this way felt the best for me. But yeh, a picture of how its supposed to be done would be helpful, I think I have done it correctly though.
I see we can buy some foam spacers to enhance the set-up even more, maybe some different rate springs would be a good idea too.

 

[Flange]

IMO if you run on scalex with magnet cars you cannot give out tips etc without saying its with a magnet in as tbh everything goes well with a magnet .. Try running it without a magnet then you will appreciate 'tuning'

 

[Saviour]

magnets went a long time ago. the frist thing i do, when i get a new car. remove the magnets. then start to tune.

 

[f1rem0uth]

QUOTE (Flange @ 3 Dec 2011, 23:23) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>IMO if you run on scalex with magnet cars you cannot give out tips etc without saying its with a magnet in as tbh everything goes well with a magnet .. Try running it without a magnet then you will appreciate 'tuning'
That is not true, not all cars go well out of the box without tuning on Scalextric track, take for example SCX LMP cars, they sound like tractors and vibrate the crazy, even my Racer Sideways needed adjustments, they both have magnets.

I'm sure their are just as many magnet racers as non magnet racers, the car comes with a magnet and so do 99% of all other cars, if they were designed to be raced without magnets then surly they would come without, agreed it takes more skill to race without magnets, but each to his own preference.

My car had the magnet left in, yes it is fairly powerful magnet, not over powered as a Scaley or SCX car, but cars without magnets are whole other story.

I have tried all my cars without magnets and I really can't see the fun in it at all, that's my opinion and it could well change in the future, but I doubt it.

Magnets with in reason are fun if you ask me, I don't see what's the point of taking it out and then having to add all sorts of weights and other stuff to get the car to go no where near the same speed.

I guess as I've have said before a few times, I don't get magless racing yet!

 

[mgmike]

looking to buy one of these, where is the best place to get them from ?
Mike

 

[Saviour]

Ah, but your missing the point here f1rem0uth. Racing without mags is way more fun. We race bog standard cars at our club, on club car night. be it Ninco, Hornby, SCX, Fly. All have their magnets still in place. But, the track is wood, copper slots, emulsion painted. They all work really well, OK, most, All right some. But as the bad ones all seem to race together, everyone is at a disadvantage. But it's fun.

We, that's my son and I, race on Hornby plastic track. All our cars are magless. The only difference between, our cars and the standard car OFTB is the fact, their magless. All have been fitted with a non-standard tyre, I like to see what tyre works best with that car. Some have lead, others do not. Depends on how balanced they are without a mag.
Have you any NSR, Slot.it, Mrslotcar? If not, get your hands on an NSR, remove her from her box. and race. Now remove the magnet, and race again.
OK, with the mag in, she will go around corners, stick to the track like....But....no tail out, no sliding though a bend. When they do however, it's like watching a bullet from a gun. They let go, and there's nothing you can do about it.
NO MAGS for me. It's way more fun.

PS, I used to think like you...Then I say the light!

QUOTE looking to buy one of these, where is the best place to get them from ?
Here....

Circuits to Scale

 

[Aurora]

mag vs. no-mag...yee ha!

QUOTE (f1rem0uth @ 4 Dec 2011, 23:41) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>agreed it takes more skill to race without magnets,
Disagree with this. To race any car at the limits of human performance takes skill. If anything, I believe that mag cars require more skill - or at least better eyesight, reflexes, hand/eye coordination, and finesse, to drive well - than no-mag.

QUOTE (Saviour @ 5 Dec 2011, 00:00) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Racing without mags is way more fun.
PS, I used to think like you...Then I say the light!

For some people, magnets are more fun. It may be a common progression in the hobby - start with mag cars and end up with a lot of no-mags - but I'm reluctant to claim that one is more fun, in general, than the other, because at the end of the day, isn't it personal preference?

BTW, my personal preference is no-mag. I don't like magnets at all, and think no-mag is way more fun. But I know plenty of people that love mag racing, and are FANTASTIC drivers.

 

[Guest]

QUOTE (f1rem0uth @ 4 Dec 2011, 16:41) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I'm sure their are just as many magnet racers as non magnet racers, the car comes with a magnet and so do 99% of all other cars, if they were designed to be raced without magnets then surly they would come without

Most manufacturers add magnets to their chassis's to polish out the short comings of the "standard spec" and to make them handle better on small twisty home tracks. Once you move up to club racing or above magnets become more of a hinderance and in fact produce so much drag, that in most cases actually make the car slower over a lap. But I'm sure as an expert you've already worked that out

 

[Flange]

These are standard slot it cars with just the magnet removed ... how can you say these are rubbish ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3pR15BawAU...player_embedded

 

[f1rem0uth]

QUOTE (Flange @ 4 Dec 2011, 21:04) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>These are standard slot it cars with just the magnet removed ... how can you say these are rubbish ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3pR15BawAU...player_embedded
Hi, I didn't say they are rubbish, but look at that track!, I'm no expert and have never used a track like that in the link, I was referring to using cars on my Scalextric track without magnets, and without any tuning.

I can clearly see that if you was racing on a large multi-lane sweeping track like the track in the link, with cars set up as needed, I'm sure racing without magnets is fun, otherwise why would the those people be doing it.

I guess I should have said I was only referring to my home use, the track in the link is something I have no experience of at all, but soon after getting into this hobby recently, I read a lot about racing without magnets and so I tried it, I removed the magnet from each of my cars - one by one and tested the cars, each one could hardly make it around the first bend, I had to go so slow the it just didn't make sense to me.

Also I notice a lot of people have my opinion at first and then that changes as they progress into the hobby after time, this why I always say "at the moment I don't get racing without mags and maybe my opinion will change".

 

[f1rem0uth]

QUOTE (mgmike @ 4 Dec 2011, 16:56) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>looking to buy one of these, where is the best place to get them from ?
Mike
Hi, you mean the car MRSLOTCAR Mazda 787B, well I got mine brand new in box sealed in plastic wrapper for £30, plus £3.95 Recorded delivery, absolute bargain.

Problem is the guy I got mine from doesn't have them no more for £30, although keep watch as he may do. He has a "Buy it Now", £40 plus £3.95 P+P.

Try this seller:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/390357965461?ssPag...9#ht_4190wt_698

NICHOBBIES has the white kit version, but again nearly £40, plus P+P from USA!.

Plenty of sellers have them, shop around for the best deal, but I doubt you will get a new one for £30 now.

Its a great car, but I don't think its worth more than £35, thats a fair price to pay. It has decent parts, propa nice motor, well designed chassis, gears are as good as Slot.it, 4 x aluminium wheels, etc etc....
It only needs the rear tyres swapped to suit your track and away you go.

This car goes fast!, I can't go full speed on my Scalextric track with any of my cars as its too short, but this car is definitely the fastest car I have owned yet.

 

[Saviour]

f1rem0uth, how did your 787B run?

 

[f1rem0uth]

QUOTE (mgmike @ 4 Dec 2011, 16:56) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>looking to buy one of these, where is the best place to get them from ?
Mike
Hi, here is the white kit version anyway:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MR-SLOTCAR-MR100...9#ht_2019wt_698

 

[Mr Modifier]

I have the mrslotcar.ca mazda - the black test version.

It is quick - straight out of the box. Good with magnets on Sport track but not much good without. However, I think some urethanes on the rear and a little weight, along with some careful sanding of edges and some loosening of body screws, some fine tuning of the motor pod (and maybe the motor mount springs) and I have a feeling it will do well without magnetic assistance.

It's probably horses for courses - Slot.It, NSR and mrslotcar.ca have racing pedigrees founded on long, fast and incredibly smooth running wooden tracks. Running them on plastic track is probably the same as driving an F1 car on a British country lane - you can do it but it's not the car's natural habitat and it will get beaten by far less exotic machinery.

Fastest car on my layout is a Ninco Pro Race scooby. But my fastest car is either my mrslotcar.ca mazda or my Slot.It Nissan R390 RAW that I can't have yet coz my wife says it's for Christmas (don't you just hate it when they do that?!?). What I need to do after Christmas is find a wooden track to prove it.

 

[f1rem0uth]

QUOTE (Saviour @ 6 Dec 2011, 11:22) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>f1rem0uth, how did your 787B run?
Hi, this car runs different to all my other cars I have, it has its own distinct character and feel to it, it feels like it wants to go fast, it has quick acceleration, corners well and if I like can tail slide around the tighter corners.
As for adding the springs, I would say it made an improvement to my cars cornering speed which increased, the car doesn't de-slot as easily on corners if going too fast now, and because my track is on the floor - I have a few bumps in a few track section joins and sometimes the car can de-slot on these, the use of the springs has eliminated this from happening.
This car feels quite small in size compared to Slot.it or Racer Sideways cars and so feels quick and nimble yet is very stable and balanced to drive.
I love the springs on the car, they soften the ride and give it an all round increase in track handling, its not a major transformation as the car was great anyway but a definite noticeable improvement over an already great handling car.
I would say the springs are well worth buying, not a necessity and don't think you have to buy them, but for what the cost and that softer ride and increased traction in the corners you gain, they are well worth having.