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Beautiful growing growing line-up from Proto-Slot-Kit...
And MMK...
And Slot Indy from Italy...
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And MMK...
And Slot Indy from Italy...
MMMMMmmmm....
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I have seen a few of the MMK models and while undoubtedly of interesting cars, they are not of a high level in some of the detailing and finish, at least I'd question it on a £40 model, let alone one at twice that price.
That said, as they only way (I think ) to get a slot version of some of these cars they are attractive.
I have yet to make my Proto-slot 908, but the kit looks good and I would have no doubts (other than my finding time to build them) about getting a few of the others, especially the Peugeot 905 and Matra.
Scott
That said, as they only way (I think ) to get a slot version of some of these cars they are attractive.
I have yet to make my Proto-slot 908, but the kit looks good and I would have no doubts (other than my finding time to build them) about getting a few of the others, especially the Peugeot 905 and Matra.
Scott
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QUOTE I have seen a few of the MMK models and while undoubtedly of interesting cars, they are not of a high level in some of the detailing and finish, at least I'd question it on a £40 model, let alone one at twice that price.
Dear Ecosse,
as soon as another company produces better hand-built resin-cast models of such cars, I promiss to you that I will burn all remaining MMK inventories. So far I have to even SEE a better resin casting from ANY other manufacturer, at ANY price, and this includes Racer, Slot-Classics, Top-Slot... and we sell them all.
The MMK are less expensive than most of these, and the real difference between these cars is in the amount of added details such as plated inserts or driver detail. Anyone with a bit of taste may super-detail an MMK car and have a winner there. MMK bodies have the clearest, best defined body lines of any such, and often even better than of FLY issues. Another fact is that they appear to run very well and have very few if any mechanical issues. This is not the case for several notable examples of highly-touted issues of some of the above.
The Proto-Slot-Kit body kits are cast by the same company as MMK which also casts bodies for several top Spanish companies and the TSRF in USA. The casting quality is outstanding and very consistent, and so is the impeccable finish on the paint. So far and out of several hundreds we have sold, not one came back for refund and only two minor mechanical problems arose, and they were easily fixed. Compare this to some of the mechanical issues often found on FLY releases...
Comparing high-volume die-cast cars in high-cost molds with tampo-printing, built in China by near-slavery labor, with hand-built cars for the enthusiast lovingly assembled by other true racing enthusiasts, of models that would never have been otherwise available, seems a bit unfair.
Kind regards,
Dr. Pea
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Dear Ecosse,
as soon as another company produces better hand-built resin-cast models of such cars, I promiss to you that I will burn all remaining MMK inventories. So far I have to even SEE a better resin casting from ANY other manufacturer, at ANY price, and this includes Racer, Slot-Classics, Top-Slot... and we sell them all.
The MMK are less expensive than most of these, and the real difference between these cars is in the amount of added details such as plated inserts or driver detail. Anyone with a bit of taste may super-detail an MMK car and have a winner there. MMK bodies have the clearest, best defined body lines of any such, and often even better than of FLY issues. Another fact is that they appear to run very well and have very few if any mechanical issues. This is not the case for several notable examples of highly-touted issues of some of the above.
The Proto-Slot-Kit body kits are cast by the same company as MMK which also casts bodies for several top Spanish companies and the TSRF in USA. The casting quality is outstanding and very consistent, and so is the impeccable finish on the paint. So far and out of several hundreds we have sold, not one came back for refund and only two minor mechanical problems arose, and they were easily fixed. Compare this to some of the mechanical issues often found on FLY releases...
Comparing high-volume die-cast cars in high-cost molds with tampo-printing, built in China by near-slavery labor, with hand-built cars for the enthusiast lovingly assembled by other true racing enthusiasts, of models that would never have been otherwise available, seems a bit unfair.
Kind regards,
Dr. Pea
QUOTE as soon as another company produces better hand-built resin-cast models of such cars, I promiss to you that I will burn all remaining MMK inventories.
If you ever have such idea, please, paid on arrival send me all your inventories at less than the cost of recicling asshes.
I love those cars. I have four of them now, and ordered to my local supplier the rest of them, and I'm glad to know that MMK produces bodies for Pro-slot and wantt to know who are the other companies using their services. MMK cars are superb.
I love resin cars (Hobby slot, Slot Classic, Real SlotCar, not yet Racer) and the smell of the paint of MMK cars is like that of real cars when new.
If Pro-Slot is made with the same quality, i'll put an eye on those kits (my local supplier in Barcelona has a service of kit mounting and painting, if desired)
If you ever have such idea, please, paid on arrival send me all your inventories at less than the cost of recicling asshes.
I love those cars. I have four of them now, and ordered to my local supplier the rest of them, and I'm glad to know that MMK produces bodies for Pro-slot and wantt to know who are the other companies using their services. MMK cars are superb.
I love resin cars (Hobby slot, Slot Classic, Real SlotCar, not yet Racer) and the smell of the paint of MMK cars is like that of real cars when new.
If Pro-Slot is made with the same quality, i'll put an eye on those kits (my local supplier in Barcelona has a service of kit mounting and painting, if desired)
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QUOTE So far I have to even SEE a better resin casting from ANY other manufacturer, at ANY price, and this includes Racer, Slot-Classics, Top-Slot... and we sell them all.
Sorry, can't agree with you on that one. Slot classics must surely be the best resin RTR cars and a bench mark for othe resin car manufacturers to aim for. The quality of moulding, paint finish and attention to detail on the slot classics cars are simply awesome. Their latest cars also use a plastic chassis which has to be a big plus compared with some of the resin chassis which are supplied with the majority of resin rtr cars.
The latest LeMans miniatures cars also have an excellant pedigree.
MMK are very nice but do have some issues on paint finish and lack of driver detail and no it isn't sour grapes. We distribute for MMK in the UK!
Sean
Sorry, can't agree with you on that one. Slot classics must surely be the best resin RTR cars and a bench mark for othe resin car manufacturers to aim for. The quality of moulding, paint finish and attention to detail on the slot classics cars are simply awesome. Their latest cars also use a plastic chassis which has to be a big plus compared with some of the resin chassis which are supplied with the majority of resin rtr cars.
The latest LeMans miniatures cars also have an excellant pedigree.
MMK are very nice but do have some issues on paint finish and lack of driver detail and no it isn't sour grapes. We distribute for MMK in the UK!
Sean
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·I have to agree with Sean, Slot Classic make the best cars of this kind I have ever seen. MMK are not quite there yet.
Best wishes,
Jeff.
Best wishes,
Jeff.
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QUOTE MMK are very nice but do have some issues on paint finish and lack of driver detail
Sean,
I agree with your post but it did not address the point I made: if you take the MMK raw casting vs Slot-Classics raw casting, the casting quality of the MMK is superior. I have enough examples of both to see this clearly, even with only one eye. The MMK require virtually no trimming or sanding prior to paint. The Slot-Classic does require a lot more work because the casting is nowhere as fine. The MMK hood and body lines are sharper and more defined.
HOWEVER, the amount of hand FINISH and ADDED detail on the Slot-Classic renders them finer models, but at twice the price. MMK's purpose was to provide hand-built models at a lesser price than the usually expensive Racer or Slot-Classic, as close as possible to mass-produced cars, while offering decent quality.
Another example of not-so-great casting but gorgeous hand work are the Slot Indy by D&G Ostorero. The actual raw casting are fair, but Daniele and his wife perform no small miracle in transforming these castings into outstandingly gorgeous models.
My answer was strictly to Ecosse who I believe, is comparing apples to oranges. While he is free to express himself, I believe I am free to disagree on his premise. So far anyway. May be not next year.
Regards,
Dr. Pea
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Sean,
I agree with your post but it did not address the point I made: if you take the MMK raw casting vs Slot-Classics raw casting, the casting quality of the MMK is superior. I have enough examples of both to see this clearly, even with only one eye. The MMK require virtually no trimming or sanding prior to paint. The Slot-Classic does require a lot more work because the casting is nowhere as fine. The MMK hood and body lines are sharper and more defined.
HOWEVER, the amount of hand FINISH and ADDED detail on the Slot-Classic renders them finer models, but at twice the price. MMK's purpose was to provide hand-built models at a lesser price than the usually expensive Racer or Slot-Classic, as close as possible to mass-produced cars, while offering decent quality.
Another example of not-so-great casting but gorgeous hand work are the Slot Indy by D&G Ostorero. The actual raw casting are fair, but Daniele and his wife perform no small miracle in transforming these castings into outstandingly gorgeous models.
My answer was strictly to Ecosse who I believe, is comparing apples to oranges. While he is free to express himself, I believe I am free to disagree on his premise. So far anyway. May be not next year.
Regards,
Dr. Pea
Dr. P - what do you think about that?
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...raw casting, nothing sanded...
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..unpainted available including Ninco sidewinder chassis for 80€ plus shipping...
Much more expensive than MMK.... but cheaper than the others with same or better quality - as mentioned by customers!
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FYI - Philippe, I'm still missing the parts for the second Pescarolo....
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...raw casting, nothing sanded...
..unpainted available including Ninco sidewinder chassis for 80€ plus shipping...
Much more expensive than MMK.... but cheaper than the others with same or better quality - as mentioned by customers!
FYI - Philippe, I'm still missing the parts for the second Pescarolo....
By now i have only 15 resin cars
3 by Team Slot, funny
2 by RealSlotCar good to great
6 by HobbySlot, good to great
4 by MMK, great
I have ordered the 3 Slot Classic's Pegaso in kit to be carefully mounted by my local supplier (it's slightly priced over the RTR Slot Classic, but it's finest) after seeing the Mercedes SLR Panamericana (thinking on buyng it...).
I have been informed that the moulds of most of resin cars sold by spanish and french artisan companies are made by MMK, and I'm very glad to hear it. The four MMK cars I have arenot the most detailed cars I have (compared to the Pegaso Rabassada you can see at left), but are very nice and I'm searching the rest of the offerings before going after other cars.
I have seen the work done by many resin cars builders (have you seen Evolution slot cars latelly?) and I understand that there differences in moulding, detail in moulds, surface traitment, painting, exterior details, etc. I understand that all of them are artisan works and I love them or ignore them, but don't compare them like I do with Fly's or Scalextric's GT40s.
Resin cars bring us more models and hand painting can reproduce rare liveries. Even modern cars (like those of Thomas' posting) can live in such moderate productions without fear of copyright.
3 by Team Slot, funny
2 by RealSlotCar good to great
6 by HobbySlot, good to great
4 by MMK, great
I have ordered the 3 Slot Classic's Pegaso in kit to be carefully mounted by my local supplier (it's slightly priced over the RTR Slot Classic, but it's finest) after seeing the Mercedes SLR Panamericana (thinking on buyng it...).
I have been informed that the moulds of most of resin cars sold by spanish and french artisan companies are made by MMK, and I'm very glad to hear it. The four MMK cars I have arenot the most detailed cars I have (compared to the Pegaso Rabassada you can see at left), but are very nice and I'm searching the rest of the offerings before going after other cars.
I have seen the work done by many resin cars builders (have you seen Evolution slot cars latelly?) and I understand that there differences in moulding, detail in moulds, surface traitment, painting, exterior details, etc. I understand that all of them are artisan works and I love them or ignore them, but don't compare them like I do with Fly's or Scalextric's GT40s.
Resin cars bring us more models and hand painting can reproduce rare liveries. Even modern cars (like those of Thomas' posting) can live in such moderate productions without fear of copyright.
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QUOTE Comparing high-volume die-cast cars in high-cost molds with tampo-printing, built in China by near-slavery labor, with hand-built cars for the enthusiast lovingly assembled by other true racing enthusiasts, of models that would never have been otherwise available, seems a bit unfair.
Not unfair, just life.
I am buying a product, not making a statement about international working standards. While I wish every man more money than he needs, if I were to base judgements on slot cars by the social welfare of the workers where would it end? Those previously working in Margate didn't have a great lifestyle relative to the rest of the South East of England you know.
Bottom line: If I can buy two Fly/Ninco or even Team Slot for the same price then I might make that choice. Ditto Maxi Models and Racer - both fantastic - but better than several Fly classics? Each buyer will decide and each will be right.
I have a resin Supra that is far from accurate in terms of shape, but as it is the only way to have a slot Supra I love it. If MMK made a car I "had to have" I assume I would likewise buy it, but that justification is true of any maker at almost any price since it is the overwhelming desire to own that is in action, not an appreciation of the craftsmanship or value for money.
Scott
Not unfair, just life.
I am buying a product, not making a statement about international working standards. While I wish every man more money than he needs, if I were to base judgements on slot cars by the social welfare of the workers where would it end? Those previously working in Margate didn't have a great lifestyle relative to the rest of the South East of England you know.
Bottom line: If I can buy two Fly/Ninco or even Team Slot for the same price then I might make that choice. Ditto Maxi Models and Racer - both fantastic - but better than several Fly classics? Each buyer will decide and each will be right.
I have a resin Supra that is far from accurate in terms of shape, but as it is the only way to have a slot Supra I love it. If MMK made a car I "had to have" I assume I would likewise buy it, but that justification is true of any maker at almost any price since it is the overwhelming desire to own that is in action, not an appreciation of the craftsmanship or value for money.
Scott
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I'm not sure how relevant this is to collecting Toy Soldiers but in that hobby we have what is called connoisseur (flat, sometime weathered) and traditional (gloss or toy) finishes. The casting can be the older hollow casting or one of the newer methods. Each has its own feel and it would be unfair to compare them. Personally I like the traditional gloss or toy finish.
If this makes any sense it's the "look" and subject that matters the most to me and not just the detail for detail sake.
If this makes any sense it's the "look" and subject that matters the most to me and not just the detail for detail sake.
lets see here.....
When I saw Mr P's post on SCI and then again here, I thought to myself.....
Self, these are pretty expensive toys.
So, as mentioned on another thread, one must realize there are many levels to this hobby (slot cars). The pure toys, (scalextric, scx,carrera) RTR, then those pushing the the envelope on detail (Fly), forcing the the toy folk to do better.
The manufacturers mentioned in this thread are a different animal, for a smaller segment of the hobby. That's ok.
Same with photography, not everyone has leicia, some have a nikon or pentax, or a kodak.
Stereo, a B&O, a McIntosh, or a Kenwood or lowly GE.
These cars are for those that can afford them, and are painters, builders, tuners. Lets try to keep the hobby on perspective.
High end product, like Mr P has carved a niche for, is fine. The pedestrian like the majority of us use is ok too.
Most of these cars, as mentioned on another thread, wind up as collectables, or driven for pleasure, not raced hard and put away shop worn from seeing time on the floor as toys.
Discussion and exposure to the high end just keeps us interested, and raises the bar for the scalextrics of the world.
I don't know about you, but I buy a $40 f1, then i need another to race with it. UH -OH, I need 4 or 5 more to fill out a field, none of them are equal, so I am buying motors, lead, tires, wheels, the devils magnets, where does it end?
So if I buy a hundred dollar , hundred and fifty dollar car, or a $80 dollar body, and then I need chassis, motor , paint, tires, wheels , where does it it all end? Then I will need 4 or 5 more.
Some one dropped something in my coke at a party. At the next party I had to buy the coke. Then I was hooked.
When I saw Mr P's post on SCI and then again here, I thought to myself.....
Self, these are pretty expensive toys.
So, as mentioned on another thread, one must realize there are many levels to this hobby (slot cars). The pure toys, (scalextric, scx,carrera) RTR, then those pushing the the envelope on detail (Fly), forcing the the toy folk to do better.
The manufacturers mentioned in this thread are a different animal, for a smaller segment of the hobby. That's ok.
Same with photography, not everyone has leicia, some have a nikon or pentax, or a kodak.
Stereo, a B&O, a McIntosh, or a Kenwood or lowly GE.
These cars are for those that can afford them, and are painters, builders, tuners. Lets try to keep the hobby on perspective.
High end product, like Mr P has carved a niche for, is fine. The pedestrian like the majority of us use is ok too.
Most of these cars, as mentioned on another thread, wind up as collectables, or driven for pleasure, not raced hard and put away shop worn from seeing time on the floor as toys.
Discussion and exposure to the high end just keeps us interested, and raises the bar for the scalextrics of the world.
I don't know about you, but I buy a $40 f1, then i need another to race with it. UH -OH, I need 4 or 5 more to fill out a field, none of them are equal, so I am buying motors, lead, tires, wheels, the devils magnets, where does it end?
So if I buy a hundred dollar , hundred and fifty dollar car, or a $80 dollar body, and then I need chassis, motor , paint, tires, wheels , where does it it all end? Then I will need 4 or 5 more.
Some one dropped something in my coke at a party. At the next party I had to buy the coke. Then I was hooked.
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Mr Pea can take -- and no doubt welcomes -- any criticism of the products that he distributes (and manufactures). Heaven knows he can give as good as he gets -- he won't run off and start his own forum!
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Kind regards
Russell
Kind regards
Russell
But hasn't he already got one of his own?
(yet STILL finds the time to visit and contribute to all others of any worth!)
re: the good , bad , ugly.
I don't know, that's why I asked. I just wondered what the other posters thought about Top Slot.
I bought a kit, but have not started on it. So far I have been observing other posts on paint, decals, assembly. It will be my first project as a builder, although I have made many repairs and tuned RTR cars.
Unfortunately the instructions are in Spanish, I remember a little of my high school spanish, but an english translation would probably help.
The slot.it web site helps a little with a photo of the included chassis.
I thought this would be a good beginners kit, I still get to make some choices on gear, motor, maybe tire and wheel upgrade, and certainly paint.
I don't know, that's why I asked. I just wondered what the other posters thought about Top Slot.
I bought a kit, but have not started on it. So far I have been observing other posts on paint, decals, assembly. It will be my first project as a builder, although I have made many repairs and tuned RTR cars.
Unfortunately the instructions are in Spanish, I remember a little of my high school spanish, but an english translation would probably help.
The slot.it web site helps a little with a photo of the included chassis.
I thought this would be a good beginners kit, I still get to make some choices on gear, motor, maybe tire and wheel upgrade, and certainly paint.
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