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QUOTE (Bandit @ 21 Oct 2004, 01:18)Hi guys,
Visit Ninco for an official press release for
their new digital system! Ninco states it will come
with a digital system which u can play
using your existing tracks in 2005.
Grtz,
Bandit
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Firstly welcome to the Forum Bandit!
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I am glad to see they are also producing a Digital version BUT I feel they have totally missed the boat by about one year.
Their system sounds like it has the basics of Scalextric Digital, in that is will be backwardly compatible with existing cars and track. Bearing in mind that Scalextric Digital will be also compatible with Ninco track at least on a homeset level, I fail to see (admittedly with the limited info released as yet) how they expect to hold or gain a market level when their release has to be so long after the other three.
Backward compatibility is THE main Digital issue for me so from my point of view SCX and Carrera are out of the picture also.
Time will tell but I think it is a shame they left it so long.
Visit Ninco for an official press release for
their new digital system! Ninco states it will come
with a digital system which u can play
using your existing tracks in 2005.
Grtz,
Bandit
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Firstly welcome to the Forum Bandit!
Now -
I am glad to see they are also producing a Digital version BUT I feel they have totally missed the boat by about one year.
Their system sounds like it has the basics of Scalextric Digital, in that is will be backwardly compatible with existing cars and track. Bearing in mind that Scalextric Digital will be also compatible with Ninco track at least on a homeset level, I fail to see (admittedly with the limited info released as yet) how they expect to hold or gain a market level when their release has to be so long after the other three.
Backward compatibility is THE main Digital issue for me so from my point of view SCX and Carrera are out of the picture also.
Time will tell but I think it is a shame they left it so long.
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I am confident that manufacturers respond to peoples likes and dislikes. Surely it is good business to produce more of what people like and less of what they dislike.
By the time Ninco bring their product to the market their competitors will have had the experiance in the market and will have responded to that market.
It is widely acknowledged that Ninco cars drive differently to Scalextric, or SCX or Carrera cars. They are less stuck down with more powerful motors. Ninco will either have to take this into account or develop a range of cars that are "digital friendly". This may mean less powerful motors and slightly more downforce. This may not suite the typical Ninco customer. It will be interesting to see which direction they go. Digital is not necessarily ideal for those who just want to have the fastest.
And of course it will be interesting to see how Ninco cars perform with the Scalextic digital set up. It really is all speculation at the moment but interesting speculation. We are almost at the point when it will be reality!
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Moped
By the time Ninco bring their product to the market their competitors will have had the experiance in the market and will have responded to that market.
It is widely acknowledged that Ninco cars drive differently to Scalextric, or SCX or Carrera cars. They are less stuck down with more powerful motors. Ninco will either have to take this into account or develop a range of cars that are "digital friendly". This may mean less powerful motors and slightly more downforce. This may not suite the typical Ninco customer. It will be interesting to see which direction they go. Digital is not necessarily ideal for those who just want to have the fastest.
And of course it will be interesting to see how Ninco cars perform with the Scalextic digital set up. It really is all speculation at the moment but interesting speculation. We are almost at the point when it will be reality!
Cheers
Moped
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QUOTE Ninco will either have to take this into account or develop a range of cars that are "digital friendly". This may mean less powerful motors and slightly more downforce.
All assuming everyone else wishes to use Digital as another magnetic monster sytem?
I see no reason to think cars running on a Digital system will perform any different than they do on the current system Moped. No difference at all.
Surely you are not suggesting ONLY high downforce magnet cars will run on Scalextric Digital? I will fast prove you wrong if so mate.
All assuming everyone else wishes to use Digital as another magnetic monster sytem?
I see no reason to think cars running on a Digital system will perform any different than they do on the current system Moped. No difference at all.
Surely you are not suggesting ONLY high downforce magnet cars will run on Scalextric Digital? I will fast prove you wrong if so mate.
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I'm of the opinion that Ninco are gonna have some advantages by releasing there system later onto the market. I do feel they will have a better customer feedback level, than other manurfacturers who have ventured into the market place first.
Ninco, for me, always seem to try and develop new ideas, where other manurfacturers dare to tread. They have a wider range of motors as standard through there cars, they have developed more race orientated parts, in an effort to get cars handling better. There cars are faster and lighter in the main than most manurfacturers cars, from standard., however they are let down by quality of standard parts and finish.
Back to the digital bit.... Im hoping Ninco are gonna release as standard, a straight LC, and corner LC's. Im glad the are following the same line as Scalex, by releasing a back wards compatible system, that will use the current track system.
I'm a bit bemused as to why they are so behind the game "so to speak". Although they are not afraid to launch new ideas - eg the suspension system, its not really caught on in the main, but I feel there is room for development. So saying that, Im hoping they are able to combine the best from all the systems, and produce a reliable, stable product, admittedly probably a year to 6 months after everybody else.
I look forward to more updates.
Cheers
Cools
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Ninco, for me, always seem to try and develop new ideas, where other manurfacturers dare to tread. They have a wider range of motors as standard through there cars, they have developed more race orientated parts, in an effort to get cars handling better. There cars are faster and lighter in the main than most manurfacturers cars, from standard., however they are let down by quality of standard parts and finish.
Back to the digital bit.... Im hoping Ninco are gonna release as standard, a straight LC, and corner LC's. Im glad the are following the same line as Scalex, by releasing a back wards compatible system, that will use the current track system.
I'm a bit bemused as to why they are so behind the game "so to speak". Although they are not afraid to launch new ideas - eg the suspension system, its not really caught on in the main, but I feel there is room for development. So saying that, Im hoping they are able to combine the best from all the systems, and produce a reliable, stable product, admittedly probably a year to 6 months after everybody else.
I look forward to more updates.
Cheers
Cools
I presume from the earlier posts that it is possible to connect Scaley Sport to Ninco?
If this is the case it seems although Ninco may have missed the initial demand for digital and in particular the Xmas rush, they may be able to take advantage of the feedback from the current systems. It will be interesting to see what they produce.
My track (a home track) is Scaley Sport and I am currently deciding whether I want to go digital and if so is it something I can afford right now, so I would be inclined to wait. In any event I need the system to be directly compatible with my current, recently purchased kit, which rule out SCX.
Currently I like the idea of curved lane change of Scaley digital but would like to see both lanes being able to switch as SCX. I too would like to the option of straight (although longer than the SCX version) and curved lane changing.
I also like the idea of the restricted power in the SCX which would obviously make digital easier for the very young/beginners.
It may be that the other manufacturers also listen their potential customers and can produce what people want before Ninco hit the market
Taz
If this is the case it seems although Ninco may have missed the initial demand for digital and in particular the Xmas rush, they may be able to take advantage of the feedback from the current systems. It will be interesting to see what they produce.
My track (a home track) is Scaley Sport and I am currently deciding whether I want to go digital and if so is it something I can afford right now, so I would be inclined to wait. In any event I need the system to be directly compatible with my current, recently purchased kit, which rule out SCX.
Currently I like the idea of curved lane change of Scaley digital but would like to see both lanes being able to switch as SCX. I too would like to the option of straight (although longer than the SCX version) and curved lane changing.
I also like the idea of the restricted power in the SCX which would obviously make digital easier for the very young/beginners.
It may be that the other manufacturers also listen their potential customers and can produce what people want before Ninco hit the market
Taz
I don`t get where Ninco are supposed to be taking advantage of other manufacturers by releasing their system after the others? As Scaley is still not out and Ninco will have already been puttingt their system together, as it`s not as if it takes a couple of weeks to get all the tooling etc sorted? I`m not so sure Ninco will be right behind the others. I want them to be but historicaly they do take their time over just about everything they make. The latest Ninco club news released today makes no mention so I would not be surprised if they just want people to believe they too will be along with a digital system soon?
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Testing of systems takes much longer than most people think and usually longer than the developement stage. When I was user testing various projects (8 in total) in my previous company that stage alone could take up to six months. The user requirement document takes about 1-2 months to produce. The design is based around the requirements of the user requirement document, and so on. Changes are made to this document as development takes place as new requests are made by the project sponsors.
If, as has been suggested, things are not yet set in stone by Ninco, it could be a longer wait than people here think.
Are not Hornby almost into their 3rd year with this project? Thats the rumour anyway.
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Moped
If, as has been suggested, things are not yet set in stone by Ninco, it could be a longer wait than people here think.
Are not Hornby almost into their 3rd year with this project? Thats the rumour anyway.
Cheers
Moped
Cant read the press release for some reason, comes out as a series of dots?
(but i am on a weird PC thing at a mates house!).
IMHO, last to market will give them some great advantages! - just look at their current track system, pretty hard to knock it! wider, more grip, good connections, good accesories, etc, etc i suspect the Ninco Digital will be pretty good.
Lets wait and see.
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Cue Moped....
(but i am on a weird PC thing at a mates house!).
IMHO, last to market will give them some great advantages! - just look at their current track system, pretty hard to knock it! wider, more grip, good connections, good accesories, etc, etc i suspect the Ninco Digital will be pretty good.
Lets wait and see.
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Cue Moped....
Ninco are renowned for playing their cards close to their chests.
They rarely announce much in advance and they rarely announce it far in advance when they do.
I would be confident that they have been doing their homework LONG before making any announcement.
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QUOTE Ninco . . . are less stuck down with more powerful motors
You have heard of the Ninco NC1?
They rarely announce much in advance and they rarely announce it far in advance when they do.
I would be confident that they have been doing their homework LONG before making any announcement.
As for
QUOTE Ninco . . . are less stuck down with more powerful motors
You have heard of the Ninco NC1?
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Hi Tropi
"You have heard of the Ninco NC1?"
From the thread at Home Racing World I have the impression that Ninco are considering abandoning this motor in future models. The design of their digital set up may force them to have a rethink.
But we will see of course!
I would also summise that Ninco cannot wait to get their hands on the Scalextric set up!
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Moped
"You have heard of the Ninco NC1?"
From the thread at Home Racing World I have the impression that Ninco are considering abandoning this motor in future models. The design of their digital set up may force them to have a rethink.
But we will see of course!
I would also summise that Ninco cannot wait to get their hands on the Scalextric set up!
Cheers
Moped
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This has already been covered in a previous thread, but Ninco's real advantage lies in their track : wider lane spacing, better continuity, club standard in Spain and Italy
As for current draw, if their base unit/decoders have higher ampacity - so much the better !!
As for current draw, if their base unit/decoders have higher ampacity - so much the better !!
But Mope that suggests that Ninco want to mimic the Scaley system and improve upon it when they may in fact be developing something better already? Better? Perhaps their system may remove the need to even make the switch by automaticaly placing the leading car in the inside lane for the racing line.
This would negate one of the biggest problems with digital in that you have too much to do in a tight race situation. Why should you need to press a button to LC ? If there system is based on our French friends (and after all Ninco turning down his offer doesn`t mean they are not copying it does it?), then this may well be one of the improvements that they haver to offer to racers? This may also win over some of the Digital sceptics as it would in fact bring digital racing closer to the traditional method.
This would negate one of the biggest problems with digital in that you have too much to do in a tight race situation. Why should you need to press a button to LC ? If there system is based on our French friends (and after all Ninco turning down his offer doesn`t mean they are not copying it does it?), then this may well be one of the improvements that they haver to offer to racers? This may also win over some of the Digital sceptics as it would in fact bring digital racing closer to the traditional method.
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Interesting point Jonny about an "autoswitch" which automatically takes all cars into the inside lane (racing lane?) by default.
How do others feel about this?
Its very hard to answer until you have had a go and got some digital racing experiance under your belt.
The number of cars on a small home circuit surely would not make this arrangement ideal but at least folk could be offered a choice and maybe this is a development for the future.
Jonny also seems to be saying that he does not see a future in 4 lane digital racing as everybody will be in one inside lane with the outside lane being an overtaking lane.
I am sure Ninco will do whatever they feel is best.
Cheers
Moped
How do others feel about this?
Its very hard to answer until you have had a go and got some digital racing experiance under your belt.
The number of cars on a small home circuit surely would not make this arrangement ideal but at least folk could be offered a choice and maybe this is a development for the future.
Jonny also seems to be saying that he does not see a future in 4 lane digital racing as everybody will be in one inside lane with the outside lane being an overtaking lane.
I am sure Ninco will do whatever they feel is best.
Cheers
Moped
i love blst's system and think it will be great to race on.
As I understand it, each layout has to be carefully designed to work out what the best line is, whether you need to change lanes in anticipation of the next curve etc etc..
I don't see it working with modular plastic track all that well, though I could be wrong.
As I understand it, each layout has to be carefully designed to work out what the best line is, whether you need to change lanes in anticipation of the next curve etc etc..
I don't see it working with modular plastic track all that well, though I could be wrong.
That`s the system I was refering to
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Instead of inside line you get the racing line. Maybe we don`t need the four lanes any more? I`m not clued up enough to know but I am certainly impressed with th BLST concept as offered to Ninco and designed for Ninco track I believe?
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