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I've been toying with the idea of having an off-road track. Not really a rally track but something a bit more difficult. I used to ride motorcycle trials when I was younger (still have the Yamaha TY250 in the garage), so I wanted something that would require some throttle control to get around.

I bought a bunch of used Ninco RAID track and a pair of Ninco trucks to play with. The track comes with "rocks" and "mud" and "dunes" and that sort of thing. My son and I tried a few different layouts and finally came up with one that seems to work. I wanted something portable, and I didn't want to use the Ninco track in it's standard configurations. Here's what we came up with:

RAID Left
RAID Right

If you put the two photos side by each on your screen, you can see the entire layout. My plan is to use two 4x8 platforms to mount the track on, and to include some scenery. I also want to make a log bridge like some of the European guys have done, very cool. This would come after the R1 at the top of the hill on the left side.

It's more difficult than it looks in the photos, especially the hill on the right side. Too much throttle and you're out of the slot, not enough and you're stuck and the truck slides backwards down the hill. It's also possible to get airborne over the hump on the front straight and land back in the slot. The inner lane on the R1 at the top of the hill on the left side is also kinda tricky. It's on a camber so if you're too slow, your truck slides off into the abyss.

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I'm planning something like that only even more difficult and with rollers etc. I'm really interested in what the track will look like when it has scenery. I hope it all goes well. Keep us posted with any developments
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Thanks everyone for the positive comments. Black3sr, if you're going to be in Mississauga, give me a call. Rob, I think the RAID track is meant to be used in a desert setting but I'm hoping to do something a bit more "eastern", with rocks and trees, maybe even a railway track (G gauge). FZSsemans, real rocks?! That's a great idea! And, col_de_turini, thanks for putting the photos together for me.

I'm not sure when I'll get to the scenery but I'll be sure and post progress photos. I'm still considering making the hillclimbs higher.

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enter the hO world of trains and find out that a lot of little rocks are used. fine grain upto very rough terrain. these small pebbels glued to the track yammie yammie. If you like trial as much as me you'll start in a minute. That yamaha was my dream, later I bought a GasGas 370. Trial rules!
have you seen the waterpassage somewhere here? very cool
 

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FZSsemans, a Gas Gas! Wow, that's just a dream over here, it would cost me a small fortune! My Yamaha is a 1978, it's been awhile since I've competed on it. I also have a 1991 Suzuki DR650 with lots of mods, it's like the world's biggest trials bike!

I have 70 HO locomotives and around 300 cars, it really should've ocurred to me to check out the HO scale scenery stuff. Thanks for the great ideas! I have seen the water stuff on the forum, that is amazing. Maybe I'll get it done fast enough to take it outside this winter and let it get covered in snow!

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Hi everybody,
attached you'll find some pics off my Carrera Evo/Ninco Raid Track. It's great fun to drive but tricky too! Going on the tarmac section you'll find a rhythm to drive, but going tarmac and raid it's really hard to go fast because you have to change your drivestyle. After 2.5 years driving with GT cars I bought various rallye cars and I like them allot,
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QUOTE (CTK @ 21 Aug 2006, 10:37) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi everybody,
attached you'll find some pics off my Carrera Evo/Ninco Raid Track. It's great fun to drive but tricky too! Going on the tarmac section you'll find a rhythm to drive, but going tarmac and raid it's really hard to go fast because you have to change your drivestyle. After 2.5 years driving with GT cars I bought various rallye cars and I like them allot,
CTK

Always nice to see a hybrid track! It's hughe!!

atkeysandslots:

the GasGas was so much fun but I couldnt drive on normal roads cause it didnt had a licence plate and insurance, I used these
at first:
TDM 850 is not for offroad use

than road
Yamaha TRX850

and terrain
Yamaha TT600R

and when I felt I needed a break
GasGas370

that one had to go: now its
TrickerTime...........

and you know why? an old TY250 in a good drivable state.............will cost a fortune here
 

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CTK, that is cool, looks like quite a bit of track too! FZSsemans®, you've certainly been through alot of motorcycles. The DR650 is also a handful offroad but I put a street-legal (sort of) set of knobbies on it, a 1-tooth smaller countershaft sprocket, Acerbis rear fender, Renthal bars, Supertrapp silencer and foam air-filter, plus I sent the carb to some specialists in California to have it bored out and spent an entire summer getting that carb mod dialed in. That's why it will wheelie off idle now, just like a 400lb trials bike.

I'd like to get something a bit more roadworthy one of these days, maybe a Suzuki Bandit 1200. The reviews said it was "wheelie-prone". Somehow the idea of a 1200cc, wheelie-prone motorcycle appeals to me.

The Yamaha TY250 needs a bit work, the carb needs a bit of a re-build and the inside of the front hub is worn so the front brakes do not work very well. The motor is still very strong, I had the bottom end re-built just before I stopped competing. I was hoping to get it working this summer but things got busy. Maybe next summer. Hard to believe you could buy a GasGas for less money than an old TY250!

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Randy,

I had until recently a 600 Bandit - and it weighs nearly the same as the 1200 but only had 2/3rds of the power. She wasnt a wheelie machine but I geared it down so it would pick up the front over crests etc - didnt like to hammer the clutch to much. Reckon the 1200 would be an animal - no doubt I could flip one!!

The bandits are built cheaply though, one winter and they look really bad even though I cleaned it all the time and when I was away used to spray WD40 to stop corrosion. Compared to my RVF 400 (Honda) they handle like a sack of spuds and are easy to ground out while cornering (had several crashes by lifting the back wheel of the road on the crash guard). Still go for it - only live once......I am eyeing up a new Fireblade.......

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@Dangerous34: eye on a firebird? if you give that a full throttle you're off the island!!



@keysandslots: Started with an SR500 then XT500, SRX600, FZR1000, FZR750R, FZS600 and then came these fab four. Anybody noticed the yamaha only rule?


anyway, the GasGas was 6 years old and was about 1200 euro (that is let say 1500 USD), the YT would have cost me 1400 euro in the same condition. and when I started to make a deal the owner withdrew..........Y? I'll never know
 

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A good slot motorcycle would be great, although probably a challenge. It would need to stick to the track fairly well and lean into corners. It's probably possible but I'm not sure there's a big-enough market. Maybe I'll take one of my Scaley GP bikes and start hacking away at it.

FZSsemans, where are you from? If it's Spain I would've expected you to want an old Bultaco or Montesa in your stable rather than a TY250. I remember guys riding some really odd bikes in Trials competitions, stuff you don't see anymore. We had guys on bikes from Bultaco, Montesa, Ossa, the Kawi and Suzuki trialers, a Cotton, some Rickman-framed customs, Fantic, Italjet and some others. I'm not even sure if some of these are still around.

Dan, a Fireblade would be a bit much for me at this point, maybe I'll take a closer look at the V-Strom.

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FZSsemans - I always figured that you control the bikes power with your right hand so bigger just means you have to be a little more sensible! My RVF was relatively slow due to its high gearing (70mph + first gear) but awesome handling let you keep up with big bikes - even though they would blast off on the straights.............but I just fancy something to scare myself with for a while.

Dont even own a bike at the moment as I was forced to give in and get a car licence (age 30!!) due to growing numbers of children........dont see why they cant hang on the back of the bike...........stupid police and thier ideas!!

Only ever owned one Yamaha - an XT 650 - but it was so tall I had to drop the forks through the yokes to be able to tocuh the ground (and it smartened up the road handling
) damn thing was too heavy offroad - I used to have a job to retrieve it from ditches etc that didnt go as planned!

I am definately a Honda fan - the build quality is second to none in comparison to the competiton, even if some argue that the bikes are a bit bland.

My dream Garage: RVF 750, VFR 750, RVF 400, VFR400, Fireblade - I love the v fours, nothing else compares, but always liked to have a blade.

Not interested in the Scalextric bikes though - they dont seem right to me so I will stick with cars for this. I do have a radio control motorbike - Jeremy Mcgrath on something (yamaha?) cant remember as I painted it up in different colours a few years ago. Would like to get hold of a few GP500 R/C bikes - there are some intersting websites around devoted to them.

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I really got into off road again. and I really like single cylinder bikes. they handle nicely and hey 250 cc with 11kW or so isnt scary...........untill you go down stairways and start doing hillclimbs. THen everything is better when its small and weighs nothing.

@keysandslots..........the Netherlands is my country. the reason for Yamaha? started with a guitar (yamaha) now own a bassguitar (yamaha), the first 50cc bike was a Yamaha, my wife owns a yamaha piano....... and my brother bought a Honda XR500, and I incidentaly drove it through our fence and hurt myself really bad. Never a honda anymore


anyway, Osterero has a Yamaha car.............and I need it!! and gonna get it too!
 

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FZSsemans, motorcycles and music, we could be brothers. One of my best friends is Dutch, a great bass player. His dad is a jazz bass player, I think he's done a CD or two in Holland. If you google my first and last name, you can see and hear some of what I've done on the piano, been playing for over 40 years.

I also like big, single cylinder bikes, that's why I bought the DR650. I thought it was a bit gutless when I bought it but after spending an extra $1000 CAD, it seems to go fairly well now. Definately a handful offroad 'though.

Dan, I got my kids on the bike when they were around 18 months old, put them in front of me on the Yamaha. I still take them out quite a bit on the DR650, the kids are 12 and 9 now. Neither have motorcycles yet because I can't get them to even ride a bicycle! Go figure.

Randy
 
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