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The chat about noise on another thread has prompted me to say a few words here.

I cannot speak for the levels of noise that are acceptable to mum in the typical household outside the UK but in the UK she likes her Corrie and Eastenders, especially so the Xmas and New Year editions.

Digital is going to offer the chance of up to 6 folk to race at the same time at home. It will probably be dad, kids, and friends. How is mum going to react to this larger than normal group racing slot cars in the living room on Xmas day?

I am telling SCX and Ninco that they are going to have to buck up their ideas on the noise front if they wish to capture the hearts and minds of the typical UK family. Its going to be a complete waste of time running digital at home if every few minutes mum asks those playing with the SCX or Ninco Digital sets to keep the noise down. Basically your current range of cars will not permit this to happen, so your sets will be packed away and not used, and then sold off on Ebay.

The only companies that currently stand any chance of long term success in the UK with digital at home are Scalextric and Carrera, because their cars whisper. They cannot be heard. They will not upset mum who is watching Xmas Corrie. Mum is not going to be telling the family to pack things away.

This is a major factor in the UK which may not effect other markets because the TV abroad is so appalling that mum does not watch it and probably spends more time in the kitchen. Or the weather is better (Spain/Italy) so more time is spent by mum in the garden or outside.

So if SCX and Ninco are really serious about digital and 6 cars racing at home then you had better start making cars that are smooth and run silent and you had better start making them NOW!


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Mind bogglingly, this was posted on the Digital Board!

It is bordering on the outer limits of terminal surrealism to dream up a condemnation against particular car makers, combined with digital tracks and dear old mum watching TV. This has such incredibly marginal relevance to the specific principles of the digital section that I have moved it. Nothing wrong with a touch of harmless surrealism, but probably more appropriately placed in another part of the board.


In the meantime, I would suggest that the average household would not welcome ANY slot circuit in their everyday living room, not for very long and certainly not outside of a few days at Christmas or a birthday. The participants themselves often make more noise than the cars and lack of space is almost always the most major problem too, outweighing all others. Under those circumstances, the 'digital connection' is infinitely unlikely to play a part in the proceedings - the presence of any track isn't going to be acceptable, almost no matter what.
 

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QUOTE I would suggest that the average household would not welcome ANY slot circuit in their everyday living room,

But in the real world, whilst it may not be welcomed, many folk have little or no choice. The average sized bedroom for junior of a typical recently built house in the UK would not accomodate a slot car circuit and it is likely that most folk who purchase a digital slot car set will have a youngish family in a smallish home. There will be a lucky few who will have 2 living rooms but they are likely to own a home built before the second world war. A large proportion of these homes have had conversions, converting the 2 living rooms into a through lounge as this was a fashionable thing to do in the 1970's. The slot car circuit would therefore be at the back of the living room but never the less in the living room.

As always compromise is the key word and mum will be prepared to compromise as long as noise levels are restrained.

And as for suggesting that the family would not be putting up a slot car set on Xmas day...


The real point is the UK market is different to the Spanish market and digital racing will permit more cars to run at the same time increasing noise levels at home whatever the time of year. So this has to be a consideration for anybody selling a digital system to the UK home market.

Lets put this to the members of Slotforum.

Have you ever been told off by your mum/wife for being too noisy whilst playing with slot cars?


I have!



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QUOTE But in the real world, whilst it may not be welcomed, many folk have little or no choice.
Someone continues to suffer their reality perception problem.

In the REAL real world, of course they have a choice!
Unsurprisingly, the choice is usually that it simply does not happen and, if it does happen, it doesn't stay for long. How many people do you know who actually have a slot circuit in their living room?
Any?
Hence the cyclical discussions (correctly) blaming the very limited popularity of slot cars as a home hobby on lack of space as THE single most contributory factor.

QUOTE And as for suggesting that the family would not be putting up a slot car set on Xmas day...
Who exactly made that alleged suggestion?
Yet another product of an over active imagination - but it DOES happen with regard to the living room.

To discourage the highly likely case of wriggly sidestepping, I'll repeat the question
How many people do you know who actually have a slot circuit in their living room?
Any?
 

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QUOTE Have you ever been told off by your mum/wife for being too noisy whilst playing with slot cars?

Yes - by my girlfriend every time I set up my track in the living room.

Bear in mind that this track is made up of only Scalextric Sport track pieces, and Scalextric cars form 95% of my collection (and they've had no modifications).

I'd sugest that if noise is an issue or a percieved barrier to the success of digital, then every manaufacturer needs to address it, not just the few brands you quoted.

Let's face it, over xmas there will be some give and take - "You can play with your Scalextric set, but only for 30 mins as mum anddad want to watch the Queen". Same for when junior gts a new computer and wants to play his new game, or when he wants to play his new keyboard.
 

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the mum should be pleased that the lads are playing scalextric instead of playstation, so the tv is actually available to watch coronation street on in the first place!

Havin enough friends round for a 6-person race is quite a party, (6 racers and marshalls) and I expect mum will be roped into marshalling and socialising; as Tropi says, the noise made by the people will surely outweigh the sound of the cars.

If the hypothetical mum comes into a perty like this and plonks herself down to watch tv, and complainss at the other people, then this family has some serious issues and I would recommend they get some good lawyers!
 

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I've now read this twice and tried to fight the urge to reply. The only reply I could come up with is..........

..........GOOD GRIEF !

I'm really not sure if I have ever read a more pointless and "clap-trappy" (new word!) post in my life. To indicate that the average family will tolerate digital slot racing noise any differently to analogue slot racing noise is just plain ludicrous. Noise is noise and you'll probably find the competitive shouts/taunts/squeals will outway any higher noise level of 6 cars instead of 2.

Not only is this the most spurious of arguements in favour of a particular manufatcturer, it's actually quite offensive to assume that "mum" would always rather watch the soaps than enjoy time with the kids on the floor playing games.....

I've decided to edit myself, cos I was gonna go on but the original post is pointless....so any reply would be too.

My only closing thought is that it's just a troll post. What comes next "why scalextric is better than oxygen?"
 

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Muffin Man.... exactly!


QUOTE may not effect other markets because the TV abroad is so appalling

Or it may be that Mum here has better things to do than keep her eyes glued to the tube all the time. What a ridiculous statement, and equally ridiculous image of Mum!

Did you accidentally post this today Mope? Was it supposed to be held for April 1?
 

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What Type of noise are we talking of here?

E.M.F? Mechanical? Instumental? clap-trap?

I have never been told off for playing with slot cars. I have been told off for having my music too loud, hammering at 11pm and dremeling at 8am but never been told off for being too noisy.

Moped, I have a circuit in my room. I think it was 55ft last time I measured it.
Also, if all those city residents moved away from the cities they would find that house prices drop and they can afford bigger houses.
 

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Apparently the biggest noise problem with myself and the boys playing slots is the shout squealing cheering and taunting that goes on.

My wife loves it - she only starts to panic if we all go quiet 'cause she immediately thinks either one of us has been electrocuted or otherwise injured OR that we've set the house on fire!


The more people the more noise & as long as it's happy sounds not arguments I don't think anyone realistically gives a flying one
 

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SCX cars are very noisy but I agree, most of the noise at clubs and large home circuits is from the people. Although some cars are noisy, some are way too quiet, Scaley TVR T400R DeWalt anyone?! These hardly make any noise.
 

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QUOTE (moped rider @ 2 Oct 2004, 13:30)So if SCX and Ninco are really serious about digital and 6 cars racing at home then you had better start making cars that are smooth and run silent and you had better start making them NOW!


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If you are not a clown you better stop making ridiculous posts, and better stop making them right now!

On a serious not however, I agree with what has been posted. Six people will make more noise than six cars. I only ever got an earful when the temp circuit was in the lounge. I used it on my own, and I'm not a looney so I dont talk to myself. Nobody minded if cousin, dad etc was rcaing me however because chat took over from motor whirring etc.
 

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Only time i ever get moaned at by mum about my slotcar stuff was when i left my track down for a few months in the conservatory..............she has never complained about the noise and yes the conservatory is attached to the end of the living room where the corrie/east enders showing telly is located.

Bored now, Im off to beat some saucepans with big wooden spoons
 
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