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Postponed until 2021

In light of the current Covid-19 situation it has today been decided that this event will be postponed until next year, 2021. We're all disappointed that this has been necessary, but consider it the most sensible and responsible way forward.

Further details about the rescheduled event will be announced in due course, hopefully toward the end of this year.

In the meantime, enjoy what racing you can and start looking forward to the rescheduled event. I'm sure it will be a great weekend's racing.

Cheers,

David.

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Hi Matthew,

We're happy to refund you now, or hold on to your entry fees and refund them if you're unable to make the rescheduled event. As yet, we can't confirm a new date, but hope Covid restrictions will be relaxed soon.

If you'd like a refund now, please email Neil at [email protected] with your name and details and he'll sort things out for you.

Cheers,

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After a very long postponement due to Covid, Molesey SCC is pleased to announce that we now have a firm date for this event: Saturday/Sunday 26/27th March 2022.

The format for the weekend is yet to be finalised, but is likely to be similar to that outlined in the first post of this thread. Practice on Saturday 26th with racing on Sunday 27th.

With many more drivers now familiar with NSR's Formula 86/89 cars and several clubs racing them as a class, this event promises to be a great weekend with very close and enjoyable racing.

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Can you add an entry for Sebastian and Alan Birchmore please
Cheers
Sebastian
Entry for Craig jones please.
Entry for me please Wayne Goble
Sorry for the delay in responding to this, but you're all now added to the entry list.

As this event has been delayed for so long, if any of those listed below no longer wish to race, please let me know so that we have an accurate idea of how many will be attending.

The entry is limited to 42 drivers because we don't think we'll be able to fit any more than that into the clubroom, so if you're still wondering whether to enter, now's the time to put your name down. I'm sure it will be a great event, on a great track with a great bunch of people.

We're at 35 entries currently so won't be requiring payment until the day of the race, but should we reach more than 42, we'll open a reserve list and ask existing entries to confirm their entry by paying their entry fee in advance.

David.

1. Matt Taylor
2. Terry Smith
3. Lewis Ross
4. Julian Edwards
5. Lee Green
6. Neil Green
7. Sean Ilett
8. Michael Keown
9. Alan Wilkinson
10. David Harmer
11. Ed Pink
12. Josh Bryant
13. Alan McDonald
14. David Farrow
15. Dave KP
16. Mark Long
17. William Strachan
18. Jeff Norton
19. Pat Chidgey
20. Adrian Child
21. Arif Sayed
22. Yusuf Sayed
23. Terry Reardon
24. Graham Scott
25. Peter Hillocks
26. Frank DeLarge
27. Max Garcha
28. Martyn John
29. Steve Jones
30. John Underwood
31. Alex Stone
32. Sebastian Birchmore
33. Alan Birchmore
34. Craig Jones
35. Wayne Goble
 

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Hi Entry for Richard Welch please
Thanks Richard. You're in.

  1. Matt Taylor
  2. Terry Smith
  3. Lewis Ross
  4. Julian Edwards
  5. Lee Green
  6. Neil Green
  7. Sean Ilett
  8. Michael Keown
  9. Alan Wilkinson
  10. David Harmer
  11. Ed Pink
  12. Josh Bryant
  13. Alan McDonald
  14. David Farrow
  15. Dave KP
  16. Mark Long
  17. William Strachan
  18. Jeff Norton
  19. Pat Chidgey
  20. Adrian Child
  21. Arif Sayed
  22. Yusuf Sayed
  23. Terry Reardon
  24. Graham Scott
  25. Peter Hillocks
  26. Frank DeLarge
  27. Max Garcha
  28. Martyn John
  29. Steve Jones
  30. John Underwood
  31. Alex Stone
  32. Sebastian Birchmore
  33. Alan Birchmore
  34. Craig Jones
  35. Wayne Goble
  36. Richard Welch


 

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Entry for Lewis Gough please
Thanks Lewis. You're in.

  1. Matt Taylor
  2. Terry Smith
  3. Lewis Ross
  4. Julian Edwards
  5. Lee Green
  6. Neil Green
  7. Sean Ilett
  8. Michael Keown
  9. Alan Wilkinson
  10. David Harmer
  11. Ed Pink
  12. Josh Bryant
  13. Alan McDonald
  14. David Farrow
  15. Dave KP
  16. Mark Long
  17. William Strachan
  18. Jeff Norton
  19. Pat Chidgey
  20. Adrian Child
  21. Arif Sayed
  22. Yusuf Sayed
  23. Terry Reardon
  24. Graham Scott
  25. Peter Hillocks
  26. Frank DeLarge
  27. Max Garcha
  28. Martyn John
  29. Steve Jones
  30. John Underwood
  31. Alex Stone
  32. Sebastian Birchmore
  33. Alan Birchmore
  34. Craig Jones
  35. Wayne Goble
  36. Richard Welch
  37. Lewis Gough




 

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Having now looked again at the size of our clubroom, we've realised that our initial entry limit of 42 drivers was a bit optimistic and squeezing that number of drivers and pit-boxes in isn't going to be practical, so we've reduced the limit to 36.

Everyone who already has an entry still has one, but we're now at the limit, so if anyone listed below isn't intending to race, please say so so that your space can be released to someone else.

If you've not yet entered but would like to do so, please add your name here and we'll open a reserve list, at which point we'll ask existing entries to confirm by paying their entry fee in advance.

Many thanks,

David.

  1. Matt Taylor
  2. Terry Smith
  3. Lewis Ross
  4. Julian Edwards
  5. Lee Green
  6. Neil Green
  7. Sean Ilett
  8. Michael Keown
  9. Alan Wilkinson
  10. David Harmer
  11. Ed Pink
  12. Josh Bryant
  13. Alan McDonald
  14. David Farrow
  15. Dave KP
  16. Mark Long
  17. William Strachan
  18. Jeff Norton
  19. Pat Chidgey
  20. Adrian Child
  21. Arif Sayed
  22. Yusuf Sayed
  23. Terry Reardon
  24. Graham Scott
  25. Frank DeLarge
  26. Max Garcha
  27. Martyn John
  28. Steve Jones
  29. John Underwood
  30. Alex Stone
  31. Sebastian Birchmore
  32. Alan Birchmore
  33. Craig Jones
  34. Wayne Goble
  35. Richard Welch
  36. Lewis Gough
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Thanks Lee. Martin has taken your spot.
  1. Matt Taylor
  2. Terry Smith
  3. Lewis Ross
  4. Julian Edwards
  5. Neil Green
  6. Sean Ilett
  7. Michael Keown
  8. Alan Wilkinson
  9. David Harmer
  10. Ed Pink
  11. Josh Bryant
  12. Alan McDonald
  13. David Farrow
  14. Dave KP
  15. Mark Long
  16. William Strachan
  17. Jeff Norton
  18. Pat Chidgey
  19. Adrian Child
  20. Arif Sayed
  21. Yusuf Sayed
  22. Terry Reardon
  23. Graham Scott
  24. Frank DeLarge
  25. Max Garcha
  26. Martyn John
  27. Steve Jones
  28. John Underwood
  29. Alex Stone
  30. Sebastian Birchmore
  31. Alan Birchmore
  32. Craig Jones
  33. Wayne Goble
  34. Richard Welch
  35. Lewis Gough
  36. Martin Wikner
 

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We were discussing it at the club this evening, John.

Motors will be handouts, but tyres are a little more complicated and a decision hasn't been made yet.

NSR's usual handout tyre compound doesn't work on our track, and handout tyres of any sort are problematic because once mounted they'll need to be trued properly, so it seems most likely that tyres will be bring-your-own with a free choice of compound, so long as they're identifiable with a visible NSR logo on at least one sidewall of each tyre. Specifying a compound would be next to impossible to police.

If it's any help, some of the Molesey guys use Ultragrip Evos, others Supergrip Evos. I'm not aware of anyone using Extremes. The "black reds" don't work at all.

We're still in discussion with NSR and Gaugemaster and should have a definitive answer about tyres in a week to ten days' time, which I'll post here as soon as I have it.


HI guys, I am not going to make this event, have a good time without me.
Thanks for letting me know.



We've had a couple more withdrawals too, so we have 3 spaces available. If anyone is still thinking about entering, put your name down now so you don't miss out on what will be a great event. NSR's Formula 86/89 cars are brilliant around our track and you can look forward to some very close racing.

David.

  1. Terry Smith
  2. Lewis Ross
  3. Neil Green
  4. Sean Ilett
  5. Michael Keown
  6. Alan Wilkinson
  7. David Harmer
  8. Ed Pink
  9. Josh Bryant
  10. Alan McDonald
  11. Dave KP
  12. Mark Long
  13. William Strachan
  14. Jeff Norton
  15. Pat Chidgey
  16. Adrian Child
  17. Arif Sayed
  18. Yusuf Sayed
  19. Terry Reardon
  20. Graham Scott
  21. Frank DeLarge
  22. Max Garcha
  23. Martyn John
  24. Steve Jones
  25. John Underwood
  26. Alex Stone
  27. Sebastian Birchmore
  28. Alan Birchmore
  29. Craig Jones
  30. Wayne Goble
  31. Richard Welch
  32. Lewis Gough
  33. Martin Wikner


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Just 2 places left.
  1. Terry Smith
  2. Lewis Ross
  3. Neil Green
  4. Sean Ilett
  5. Michael Keown
  6. Alan Wilkinson
  7. David Harmer
  8. Ed Pink
  9. Josh Bryant
  10. Alan McDonald
  11. Dave KP
  12. Mark Long
  13. William Strachan
  14. Jeff Norton
  15. Pat Chidgey
  16. Adrian Child
  17. Arif Sayed
  18. Yusuf Sayed
  19. Terry Reardon
  20. Graham Scott
  21. Frank DeLarge
  22. Max Garcha
  23. Martyn John
  24. Steve Jones
  25. John Underwood
  26. Alex Stone
  27. Sebastian Birchmore
  28. Alan Birchmore
  29. Craig Jones
  30. Wayne Goble
  31. Richard Welch
  32. Lewis Gough
  33. Martin Wikner
  34. Will Stemman

 

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TYRE INFORMATION

Alan and everyone else who's interested, I've chased it today and this is the news on tyres:

We intend, subject to the supplier being able to get hold of sufficient stock, to issue every competitor on race day with a pair of new NSR-5287 19x13 Supergrip Evo tyres. These are the same compound as the box-stock tyres, but with a 0.5mm smaller outside diameter. The box-stock tyres are NSR-5284 19.5x13 Supergrip Evo.

However, because of the nature of our track and the fact that the disadvantage of untrued tyres is exacerbated by it - far more than it would be on Ninco, for example, where the coarse surface acts as a pretty rapid truing medium - we won't require that the handouts are used for the race. They're yours to do with as you wish.

Instead, competitors are permitted to use their own pre-mounted and pre-prepared NSR rubber tyres (sponge not permitted), with a free choice of compound, so long as they are black and identifiable by having the original moulded NSR logo visible on at least one sidewall of each tyre. For best results, glue and true them.

If anyone really struggles to get a set of tyres trued for race day, we'll do our utmost to help you, but we only have a handful of truers available and there simply won't be time on race day for us to true every competitor's tyres. The club will be open on Saturday for practice and testing.

Advice about compounds:
The majority of Molesey's members use Supergrip Evos, even the fast boys.

Any questions, please ask.

David.

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Hi Martyn,

I agree that for non-wood racers tyre prep for it can be baffling, and because of that we've tried really hard to find a way to run the event with handout tyres, but the nature of wood plus the small but natural variation in how true new NSR tyres are made this impossible, hence us allowing driver-supplied tyres.

The good news is that any disadvantage non-wood racers may be at due to a lack of wood-specific tyre prep knowledge will only be small. In truth, I think it's likely to be at the very most a tenth of a second, probably less.

My tyre treatment for Molesey is very simple and, I believe, as effective as it can be for our track. Certainly, when my own car broke one evening, I raced instead the spare car belonging to one of our best drivers/builders and it had no more grip than my own.

I use Supergrip Evos. I mount and glue the tyre, true it, then apply a liberal coat of 3-in-One oil. Allow that to soak in, which takes 20 minutes or so, then apply a more modest coat of oil and allow that to soak in too. That's it. Done. It takes me an hour to drive to the club, I usually prep tyres in a rush just before I leave home, then do 20 to 30 laps practice when I arrive, then race.

I know other Molesey members do the same as me and use only unadulterated 3-in-One. Beware the temptation to add more oil. I've made that mistake and whilst it doesn't ruin the tyres, it does make them become a little "slimy" and not wear very well if you're prone to sliding your car a lot.

Regarding the optimum amount of time to leave before racing your oiled tyres. As I've mentioned, I leave an hour or so for new tyres, but I also re-use the tyres for subsequent weeks' races and don't re-oil prior to those events, so I don't believe there's any benefit or negative on Molesey's track from oiling tyres hours or days before using them.

Hope this helps put your mind at rest. So long as you do a good job with your truing, I'm confident that 3-in-One applied as I've described won't leave you at any significant disadvantage.

David.
 

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One entrant has had to withdraw, so we now have 3 places left. If you or any of your clubmates who might not read SlotForum are still thinking about entering, get your entries in now. It'll be a great event and a great way to spend a Sunday.
  1. Terry Smith
  2. Lewis Ross
  3. Neil Green
  4. Sean Ilett
  5. Alan Wilkinson
  6. David Harmer
  7. Ed Pink
  8. Josh Bryant
  9. Alan McDonald
  10. Dave KP
  11. Mark Long
  12. William Strachan
  13. Jeff Norton
  14. Pat Chidgey
  15. Adrian Child
  16. Arif Sayed
  17. Yusuf Sayed
  18. Terry Reardon
  19. Graham Scott
  20. Frank DeLarge
  21. Max Garcha
  22. Martyn John
  23. Steve Jones
  24. John Underwood
  25. Alex Stone
  26. Sebastian Birchmore
  27. Alan Birchmore
  28. Craig Jones
  29. Wayne Goble
  30. Richard Welch
  31. Lewis Gough
  32. Martin Wikner
  33. Will Stemman
 

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Hi Jeff,

In order to keep it fair for everyone, the rules as written will be enforced and scrutineered. Any ballast will only be permitted in the area stipulated by the rules.

The only exception to the official NSR rules is for rear tyres, details of which can be found in post #61 of this thread.

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We've had a couple more withdraw, so 5 spaces still available.
  1. Terry Smith
  2. Lewis Ross
  3. Sean Ilett
  4. Alan Wilkinson
  5. David Harmer
  6. Ed Pink
  7. Josh Bryant
  8. Dave KP
  9. Mark Long
  10. William Strachan
  11. Jeff Norton
  12. Pat Chidgey
  13. Adrian Child
  14. Arif Sayed
  15. Yusuf Sayed
  16. Terry Reardon
  17. Graham Scott
  18. Max Garcha
  19. Martyn John
  20. Steve Jones
  21. John Underwood
  22. Alex Stone
  23. Sebastian Birchmore
  24. Alan Birchmore
  25. Craig Jones
  26. Wayne Goble
  27. Richard Welch
  28. Lewis Gough
  29. Martin Wikner
  30. Will Stemman
  31. Phil Palmer




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Hi can you put me down for a place please -Ashley Blake.
I've added you to the list. Thanks for your entry.

I have a car built for wood already but couple of queries about the rules, appreciate they are translated and a little old by now.
1 lead/weight, I'm confused by your answer to Jeff, the rules imply no lead can be added to the chassis/pod at all, only to the body to make sure it is at least 11g, is that correct?
That's my interpretation of the NSR rule too and will be the rule at the event. No ballast can be added to the chassis and/or pod. Any ballast needed to bring the bodyweight up to the stipulated minimum of 11g must be placed only within the area illustrated in the rules.

2 there a couple of areas of the rules that state ANY nsr part, but then list an incomplete list of parts, e.g guide (missing the wood guide), gears, missing the lightened/balanced gear and the old F1 gear. So is it ANY or ANY from the lists below?
The NSR rules aren't clear, I agree.

With the exception of rear tyres, rules for which are detailed in post #61 of this thread, the event will be run to version V1.1-2020 of NSR's rules, which were attached to the first post in this thread. I've also attached them to this post.

NSR Technical Rules - NSR Formula 86/89 v1.1-2020

Guide:
The wording in the rules is ambiguous, saying that "all NSR guides are allowed" but then adding a list of part numbers that doesn't include the wood guide. Because of this ambiguity, competitors will be allowed to use ALL NSR guides, including the wood guide, part number 4859.

Gears:
Only those gears listed in V1.1-2020 will be allowed. This means that the new lightened/balanced gears will NOT be allowed.

I realise that by allowing the wood guide to be used, it can be argued that that decision sets a precedent and consequently all gears should be allowed too, but as the new range of lightened/balanced gears is exactly that, new, isn't yet widely available from retailers and consequently most entrants won't have had an opportunity to buy or test them, we don't consider it's appropriate to allow their use for this event.



Couple of quick points for clarity -
1. The rules attached to the start of this discussion are still valid 100%?
Yes

3.a Ballast 2.9 stated minimum of 11g - should that really read maximum?
Minimum, not maximum.

3.b Ballast only to be placed as shown in 2.9 either side of motor? Or can we place some at the front end/nose of the car?
No. Ballast can only be placed as stipulated in the rules. i.e., none anywhere other than in the area of the body shown in the rules.

I note I'm not the only one asking about ballast, further I see from Lee's answer some of you don't use any lead, good but if we wanted to, it doesn't make any sense in body to me, should be chassis. Can we have some clarity, specifically on that point?
Hopefully my replies above clarify this.

4. Crown gears choice of std 27z or 25z & 24z, any chance we can use Slot It crowns? The NSR 24z & 25z wear out quickly and at random rates.... I know NSR won't like it but....
No, you can't use Slot.it crowns. It's an NSR event...

Are the results from the event are stand alone? If they then a few tweaks as above can't be bad?
Yes, it's a stand-alone event. "Tweaks" generally don't comply with the rules, so I'd avoid them if I were you. :)


Hopefully I've answered all the questions that everyone has. If I've not, or anyone has further questions, please ask. Far better to sort them out now than at scrutineering.

David.



Current entry list. Four spaces still available.
  1. Terry Smith
  2. Lewis Ross
  3. Sean Ilett
  4. Alan Wilkinson
  5. David Harmer
  6. Ed Pink
  7. Josh Bryant
  8. Dave KP
  9. Mark Long
  10. William Strachan
  11. Jeff Norton
  12. Pat Chidgey
  13. Adrian Child
  14. Arif Sayed
  15. Yusuf Sayed
  16. Terry Reardon
  17. Graham Scott
  18. Max Garcha
  19. Martyn John
  20. Steve Jones
  21. John Underwood
  22. Alex Stone
  23. Sebastian Birchmore
  24. Alan Birchmore
  25. Craig Jones
  26. Wayne Goble
  27. Richard Welch
  28. Lewis Gough
  29. Martin Wikner
  30. Will Stemman
  31. Phil Palmer
  32. Ashley Blake



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It seems that everyone is out of stock on the red and black motor mounts.
Are these the only two that are legal?
I have plenty of white ones could these be used?
Only the red (NSR 1283) and black (NSR 1281) motor mounts are permitted.

Pendle have both in stock

Both are available via eBay UK

TopSlots'n'Trains has the black one

Further afield, Evotecshop has both

As do several other European retailers.

Also could you take Craig Jones off the list please .
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Current entry list. Five spaces still available.
  1. Terry Smith
  2. Lewis Ross
  3. Sean Ilett
  4. Alan Wilkinson
  5. David Harmer
  6. Ed Pink
  7. Josh Bryant
  8. Dave KP
  9. Mark Long
  10. William Strachan
  11. Jeff Norton
  12. Pat Chidgey
  13. Adrian Child
  14. Arif Sayed
  15. Yusuf Sayed
  16. Terry Reardon
  17. Graham Scott
  18. Max Garcha
  19. Martyn John
  20. Steve Jones
  21. John Underwood
  22. Alex Stone
  23. Sebastian Birchmore
  24. Alan Birchmore
  25. Wayne Goble
  26. Richard Welch
  27. Lewis Gough
  28. Martin Wikner
  29. Will Stemman
  30. Phil Palmer
  31. Ashley Blake




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Only three places left.
  1. Terry Smith
  2. Lewis Ross
  3. Sean Ilett
  4. Alan Wilkinson
  5. David Harmer
  6. Ed Pink
  7. Josh Bryant
  8. Dave KP
  9. Mark Long
  10. William Strachan
  11. Jeff Norton
  12. Pat Chidgey
  13. Adrian Child
  14. Arif Sayed
  15. Yusuf Sayed
  16. Terry Reardon
  17. Graham Scott
  18. Max Garcha
  19. Martyn John
  20. Steve Jones
  21. John Underwood
  22. Alex Stone
  23. Sebastian Birchmore
  24. Alan Birchmore
  25. Wayne Goble
  26. Richard Welch
  27. Lewis Gough
  28. Martin Wikner
  29. Will Stemman
  30. Phil Palmer
  31. Ashley Blake
  32. Steve Eaves
  33. Tom Royle


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