[GRUNZ]

Hi Tamar!

Now I also have a question: Is it possible to upgrade the old oXigen dongles (firmware V3.13) with the new 4.0 protocol or is it absolutely necessary to buy new dongles?

I think this was mentioned above but I think for running the new 4.0 protocol you will need a new dongle (the old dongle does not have the hardware for running the 4.0 version).

 

[GRUNZ]

My second question: What experience do you have with the power supply for SCP2/3-controllers? How many amps do you need to safely supply 16 or 20 controllers?

Thanks for Info!

Greetings from Vienna - Michael

I run 8 SCP2 controllers with a basic wall charger. I believe it can handle a couple of amps.
I think that with 20 controllers up to 5 amps should be plenty.

 

[Slot.it]

And, honestly, pretty much the only reason to move up to 4.0 is to gain the additional features that will be available to the new RMSs. If you're just driving the cars around, I don't see that 4.0 is inherently better than 3.0 in any meaningful way. If I'm wrong, PLEASE correct me.

Yes, at the moment 4.0 does all that 3.0 does. Chrono2 is better than Chrono and will only run on 4.0. Chrono will still be around for some time but it will not be modified further.
The new dongle firmware is much more stable as the new dongle is a much more powerful machine.
Also, the increased bit rate makes every devices task easier as they have more room to breath, so to speak. See post below

 

[Slot.it]

I run 8 SCP2 controllers with a basic wall charger. I believe it can handle a couple of amps.
I think that with 20 controllers up to 5 amps should be plenty.

Absolutely. Actually I think 100 mA at most per controller but I can't remember exactly now!

 

[tamar.nelwan]

With the extra resolution does it bring and end to the 1.8 second delay in lap reporting 🤔.

Simple answer...yes

Does that baud rate effect the performance or driving feel, outside of any RMS functionality?

Again simple answer..yes. So much that unsolicited response by some of the regular Analog competition drivers was: "feels like I'm driving an analoge car" Such positive reactions have been questioned by Maurizio himself...suspecting some "placebo" effect as nothing has changed in the actual data commands send.
But them being send and refreshed 4x as fast may very well explain the "feel"

What I'm not seeing is a specific mention of whether or not 4.0 hardware will be able to "slow down" and work on the 3.0 system. I'm assuming not, since slot.it says that it "breaks compatability" but I figured it's at least worth clarifying. Sure, old hardware won't be able to work with the new 4.0 dongle and RMS, but is it possible for new 4.0 chips and dongle to function in some kind of slower 3.0 compatible mode?

Again simple answer..yes and no. Current Chips and those dating back to B1 have been produced for 250k, but need and can be upgraded to 1Mbit to run on 4.0 (and downgraded back to 250k for 3.0 if required)

And here's where my knowledge and authority ends. It can be that Slot.it will start loading new Chips standard with 4.0 firmware at a certain time. And I'm sure that if they do so they will communicate this well in advance or that they will call those Chips B4 and C4 (just guessing here) these chips should still be able to be downgraded to 250k and 3.0.
But its obvious that once the IC manufacturer stops producing 250k chips and only produces 1Mbit chips that such downgrades will no longer be possible

Now I also have a question: Is it possible to upgrade the old oXigen dongles (firmware V3.13) with the new 4.0 protocol or is it absolutely necessary to buy new dongles?

Not so simple answer as its a Yes & No and Yes. I'll try to explain.
Direct upgrades for B2 & C chips and SCP3 can be easily done via the slot.it app..its a really simple procedure no dongle required.
Older B2,B1 and SCP 1-2 controllers need the boot loader program and old dongle for upgrades to 4.0
There are several steps that need to be performed which at a certain stage requires updating the "Old" dongle to 4.0 firmware to finish the upgrade. So for as far as the upgrades required for Chips and controllers the "old" dongle can run 4.0...
...but it can't run the RMS @ 1Mbit on 4.0, so yes if you want to run the RMS on 4.0 you'll need to buy a new dongle.

My second question: What experience do you have with the power supply for SCP2/3-controllers? How many amps do you need to safely supply 16 or 20 controllers?

Not really 4.0 related as new firm & software doesn't influence power consumption of the controller. But FYI:
With power consumption per controller in the Milli amps a 1 or 2 amp power supply rated between 9 and 12v is more than enough....but what's written as output on the power supply isn't always what's available at the end of the power feed to the driver rostrum. You loose power in the wires, sockets, connectors. So verify that at the socket you still have min 9v available.



(Last note: its beyond my responsibility to post the complete update procedure here, for risk of errors I might make.
That's a task for Slot.it/ Maurizio. All the upgrades at Src Eindhoven were performed by Stefan Kievit and/or Maurizio himself. We're still in Beta testing mode here. Next step in the process is for the Belgium and Dutch clubs that will now migrate/upgrade to 4.0 to become proficient in performing upgrades and procedures without the physical assistance of Maurizio. A manual has been written for them and possibley fine tuning or clarifying the upgrade procedure might be needed as feedback is given over the succes/fail rate of its implementation)

With kind regards
Tamar

 

[Anders Trier]

Hi

I have two questions to Tamar @tamar.nelwan regarding the test of the new RMS (Chrono) and 4.0.

1. question - missing drivers under race

• When testing did you have any experience with some drivers was removed from the driver list under the race?
  • The reason for this question is, because I have seen issues with RCS02, that drivers would suddenly be removed from the drivers list under a race.

2. question - Chrono screen scale

• Did you test how the new version of Chrono worked with a large screen?

• Was the Chrono screen able to scale when using a normal screen size and then to a large screensize?
  • The reason for those question is, because I have seen that the current version of Chrono does not scale very well when using large screens.

Thanks in advance

 

[Minardi]

Hi Anders, I can answer the chrono2 questions for Tamar. You talk about the dashboards disappaering in RCSO2. This does not happen in Chrono2, and also not so far in my tests with firmware 4.xx and RCSO2. The chrono2 window will adapt to screen size and the font is scaleable, so yes better than chrono1. Chrono2 was not really used at the Suzuka event becasue of communication errors causing chrono2 to crash. This is being solved as we speak.

 

[tamar.nelwan]

Hi Marcel, thx for joining in and explaining stuff on RCS02 and ChronO2.
I would like to ask all those posting questions about 4.0, RCS02 and ChronO2 to respect this forum's structure and post in their relevant Topics. I know it's all part of the same "big Oxigen" family, but the questions and answers can be quite specific...so it would be best for anyone searching for info on each of the 3 topics in the future to find that info in that topic only.

Anyhow, while we're at it
Hello Anders
We did start the first 90min. GT3 race with ChronO2 but had to abandon the test after it crashed...and not because of the crash (because that's why we are testing it) but because we could not restore the session due to an error in the back up files.
For the Monitors we used a set up where we had the main control panel on the PC monitor, with the timing screens displayed on two external monitors. All well displayed and scalable.

With kind regards
Tamar

 

[Matraman670]

Hi all,
I am a C Chip /SCP3 Android user (lucky me!)
I need a short recap of what and how to upgrade my O2 system to 4.0

• C Chip with the Android App, right ?
• SCP3 with the Android App, right ?
• Dongle. Here I am not clear if I can upgrade my old dongle to 4.0 and how to do it or if I should buy a new one but which one where to buy it and how to programm it ?
• Racing software. Is Chrono2 the only working Software with 4.0 today ?

Clarification is welcome.

 

[tamar.nelwan]

Hello Matraman
Short Recap

• C Chip with the Android App, right ? Slot.it app on android. Yes, Check
• SCP3 with the Android App, right ? Slot.it app on android. Yes, Check
• Dongle. Here I am not clear if I can upgrade my old dongle to 4.0 and how to do it or if I should buy a new one but which one where to buy it and how to programm it ?
  Old dongle can not run new 4.0 RMS so you'll need to buy a new dongle.
  But Old dongle still needed for upgrading "older" B1, B2 and SCP1 & SCP2 controllers via boot loader procedure...so don't trow it away.
  (requires longer explanation than I can now give in short recap)
• Racing software. Is Chrono2 the only working Software with 4.0 today ?
  For a selected group of Beta testers there is a last version of Chrono that can run on 4.0.
  But only ChronO2 will be(come) available for release to the general public.

Hope this helps
with kind regards
Tamar

 

[Minardi]

[QUOTE="tamar.nelwan, post: 2580681, member:
[*]Racing software. Is Chrono2 the only working Software with 4.0 today ?
For a selected group of Beta testers there is a last version of Chrono that can run on 4.0.
But only ChronO2 will be(come) available for release to the general public.
[/LIST]


Hope this helps
with kind regards
Tamar
[/QUOTE]

We hope we get RCSO2 to work with 4.xx too. Working on it.

 

[Matraman670]

... Old dongle can not run new 4.0 RMS so you'll need to buy a new dongle.
Tamar

Thank you so much Tamar, very helpfull...
But referring the the above quote, what dongle should we buy, and does it work off the shelve or does it requires a programming ?
Regards,

 

[tamar.nelwan]

Hello Matra,
Dongle specs to be released by Slot.it, and most likely to become available as Slot.it part with 4.0 firmware installed.
But unlike old 3.0 dongle, new one is a "generic" product, so if and when Slot.it publishes the specs, also available on the free market. But those will require Oxigen 4.0 Dongle firmware installation by user.
4.0 Dongle firmware should become available as all other firmware from Slot.it's Oxigen download section.

With kind regards
Tamar

 

[Racingline]

Hello Guys!

I want to ask Slotit & Tamar about the lane changers O2ULC for timber tracks. They will support 4.0 version? Are they ready for building our own tracks and use them with the last firmware?

Please advice

Thanks

RL

 

[tamar.nelwan]

For as far as I know, no update's required for LC hard & firmware with Cars, Controllers & RMS running on 4.0.
And that would be logical as no changes were required or have been madero the IR signals emitted by the chips to initiate a Lane Change.

With kind regards
Tamar

 

[Profoxcg]

Well.. I am back after several years and I see good development and I see that my chips A and B will be paper weights - the same with my pretty yellow dongle.
I just downloaded the new boot loader "O2_BootLoaderV3" but I only see "O2_chrono_108e"

Did I miss the new software on the slot.it site?

 

[MrFlippant]

Well.. I am back after several years and I see good development and I see that my chips A and B will be paper weights - the same with my pretty yellow dongle.
I just downloaded the new boot loader "O2_BootLoaderV3" but I only see "O2_chrono_108e"

Did I miss the new software on the slot.it site?

No. O2 4.0 is not yet released. It's still under testing and development before wide release.

And the old hardware is only useless if you switch completely to 4.0. There's no reason you couldn't still run races with your existing cars/chips and dongle and original software.

 

[GRUNZ]

I am still running the old yellow dongle and I have a bunch of A chips that still work with Chrono.

 

[MALAFAMA]

In our tests, at the moment it does not detect boxes with PCLap.

 

[Profoxcg]

Since there is action on this forum.. I am using bootloader 3 and following the prompts to program a Scalextric ARC controller and I can't get to get the controller to connect to the PC.
I don't want to download the nordic app on my phone - since it appears that bootloader 3 can do all the app did or what I wrong?